 Joined: 23/10/2003(UTC) Posts: 253
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I recently purchased on auction a GN800 that is really a great looking and running locomotive. The price was decent in comparsion with the G800's that I see out there. I was wondering if anyone could then tell me what the big difference between the GN800 and G800 is other than the G800 being an older version, possible two step reverse, and possible slider that was different?
Karl
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 Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616
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Hi Karl, According to the informatiom I found in Koll,s catalog the differences are only small.Like you already said the GN 800 was produced after the G 800 model from 1955 until 1957. Apart from the above mentioned there are some differences in the couplers and some of the GN 800 (GN 809 to be precise)have a plastic tender. Best regards Guus post scriptum: Congratulations with your purchase  .It's one of the Märklin classics isn't it [:p]. |
Kind regards,
Guus |
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Joined: 23/10/2003(UTC) Posts: 253
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Thanks for the info. I don't have the G800 (yet) to compare it to. Have to get the funds together first.
Karl
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Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,976 Location: CA, USA
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The most obvious difference is that metal tender. Be warned, the G 800's tenders are notorious for zinc rot. I would thuroughly inspect and G 800 for this before purchase, and if possible do so in person and not but one on ebay that may have the rot hidden/ masked or a restored coal load. |
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 Joined: 02/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,448 Location: Italy
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This is my G800, unfortunately all the G800 metal tender have the problem of "zincpest" [:(][:(][:(], but it's anyway my favourite loco  |
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 Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,692 Location: United Kingdom
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Very Nice Locomotive!,i notice coal added on tender. |
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Joined: 23/10/2003(UTC) Posts: 253
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Nice locomotive in the picture. The tender of mine is fully metal in really nice shape and I like the heavy quality feel of it and of course the loco has plenty of traction. I do want to purchase a G 800, but I will look out for some of the things that were mentioned above. Thanks for the input.
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 Joined: 04/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,062 Location: Neu-Ulm, Bavaria
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What was said above by Guus and John sums it up. I simply wanted to add something about tenders and couplings.
GN 800 had a new front coupling which was even mentioned in the 1955 catalog. It was assembled on the front bogie in order to move in the curved sections. Therefore, as claimed in the catalog, a second locomotive could be used in front of the GN 800, to increase traction power. That was a daily occurence then on mountain railroads, and model railroaders wanted to copy this.
The odd thing is that although the new coupling sat deeper than the old one on the bogie, the hole for the old coupling from the G 800 was still left there. Have a look, there normally is a little hole between the front Puffer.
Tender: GN 800 received the new plastic tenders marked 809, yet, as very often happened during this time, Märklin used up the old left over tenders as long as they had one. So you will find GN 800 with metal tenders as well. I have a similar item, the same BR 44, just 10 years later: it changed from 3027 to 3047, lost one window, received smoke, Telex coupling ok. But the one I have: still the old 3027, with two windows, but Telex and smoke installed alright. As I said: I think they said, ok, here's the new 3047, and some production chief would say, let's first use the old 3027 frames ...
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Joined: 26/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 404 Location: vlaardingen,
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It surprises me a little that the biggest difference was not mentioned. The G800 has the reverse unit in the tender,while that of the GN is in the loco.
Also the cylinders differ in size,those of a GN are bigger.
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Joined: 07/02/2006(UTC)
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Almagik: is that the original coal load? My tender has the pest around the inside, where coal comes in contact, but nowhere else. But, I only have just a few grains of coal... the size of granulated sugar (about 3mm^3 each).
Anyway, wondering if you or anyone else knew where to get more coal. |
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Joined: 02/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,448 Location: Italy
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Hi John, here a photo of the tender and coal, the original is in the bag. Do you want to buy "original" coal? I think it'll be hard avoid rip-off. Standard coal is sold by Noch, woodland scenic and other.  |
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