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steventrain		#1 Posted : 09 August 2010 14:31:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,689 Location: United Kingdom		I have email from Marklin Customer service. 'Dear ######, A defined date is not known. But we hope that the next update will be available in the next weeks. Sincerely yours, Your Maerklin Customer Service' Edited by user 30 September 2010 23:46:07(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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AJ		#2 Posted : 09 August 2010 18:33:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/06/2010(UTC) Posts: 138 Location: Singapore		steventrain wrote: I have email from Marklin Customer service. 'Dear ######, A defined date is not known. But we hope that the next update will be available in the next weeks. Sincerely yours, Your Maerklin Customer Service' Steven, this would be a software update they are talking about ? Alok
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David Dewar		#3 Posted : 10 August 2010 01:35:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,453 Location: Scotland		Software updates are available from the Marklin site and this is what Stephen is saying. I cant see any differences being made to the hardware. dave
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jonas_sthlm		#4 Posted : 11 August 2010 12:32:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 981 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		I wondering if they have fixed the double command issues when selecting a function like impulse on a DCC decoder.
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dragos		#5 Posted : 11 August 2010 22:23:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 40 Location: Sweden		jonas_sthlm wrote: I wondering if they have fixed the double command issues when selecting a function like impulse on a DCC decoder. When you have installed the new update, check it and then share your findings with all of us.
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jonas_sthlm		#6 Posted : 28 September 2010 21:49:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 981 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		dragos wrote: When you have installed the new update, check it and then share your findings with all of us. Yes dragos, cannot promise whether it happens this year, because "next weeks" are a long time for M
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cyberbeast41		#7 Posted : 29 September 2010 22:55:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 83 Location: ,		The next update is planned for release within the next 14 days.
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Bigdaddynz		#8 Posted : 29 September 2010 23:19:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		Bags not me trying it out first!
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Macfire		#9 Posted : 30 September 2010 01:14:11(UTC) Retweet
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David Dewar		#10 Posted : 30 September 2010 01:30:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,453 Location: Scotland		I will wait and use the USB version which is usually a few weeks later. By then the computer buffs will have either got it right or blown up their CS2 lol. dave
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Bigdaddynz		#11 Posted : 30 September 2010 02:09:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		Macfire wrote: Bigdaddynz wrote: Bags not me trying it out first! Chicken....................... Left Hand redraw!
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old toot		#12 Posted : 30 September 2010 13:14:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 498 Location: christchurch, canterbury		a well thats what Dion does all day i will let you know how he goes on his cs2 he loves blowing things up
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supermoee		#13 Posted : 30 September 2010 18:19:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534		Hello, forget the 14 days. update 1.4.0 is out now on the update server rgds Stephan
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jonas_sthlm		#14 Posted : 30 September 2010 19:08:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 981 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		YES ITS OUT BY UPDATE Possible to choose the Swedish language Now you can do a print screen from the web browser It still gives a double command when selecting a function like impulse on a DCC decoder
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steventrain		#15 Posted : 30 September 2010 23:41:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,689 Location: United Kingdom		Update on my CS2 sucessful. Just note the first two pictures that you see some new add but wrong language.
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H0		#16 Posted : 01 October 2010 00:02:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW		jonas_sthlm wrote: It still gives a double command when selecting a function like impulse on a DCC decoder Maybe it's a feature, not a bug. ESU decoders can be configured to activate a sound whenever the state of the function changes. Press once (off => on): sound Press again (on => off): sound With momentary function, CS2 will send ON and a little later OFF => sound is played twice. Check the ESU manual and disable this decoder feature. I have locos by Fleischmann that have this feature enabled ex works.
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jonas_sthlm		#17 Posted : 01 October 2010 00:17:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 981 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		H0 wrote: Maybe it's a feature, not a bug. ESU decoders can be configured to activate a sound whenever the state of the function changes. Press once (off => on): sound Press again (on => off): sound With momentary function, CS2 will send ON and a little later OFF => sound is played twice. Check the ESU manual and disable this decoder feature. I have locos by Fleischmann that have this feature enabled ex works. It doesn’t happened if the locomotives has a mfx decoder I did send a question to M service center this evening. What GFP version do you have on device? 1:28 or 1:32
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H0		#18 Posted : 01 October 2010 01:12:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW		jonas_sthlm wrote: What GFP version do you have on device? Wot's a GFP? I have version 1.5 (IB) and 3.3.1 (CS1R). Non-mfx ESU LokSound decoders behave like that (if the CV that activates this double-trigger is set). Which loco/decoder do you have this problem with? GFP version has no effect on decoder features ... For locos with ESU LokSound 3.0/3.5 (non-mfx) check bit 7 in CV 49: 7 Function key toggle mode Sound triggered by off2on only 0 Sound triggered by off2on and on2off 128 Make sure bit 7 is off (i. e. CV 49 contains a value less than 128).
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supermoee		#19 Posted : 01 October 2010 01:26:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534		Hello, 1.28 for the GFP is correct. Everyone has it. No clue why in the changelog they put 1.32. Maybe they forgot to include the 1.32 file in the update rgds Stephan
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Bigdaddynz		#20 Posted : 01 October 2010 11:18:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		jonas_sthlm wrote: Hardware version 3.4?? Methinks my CS2, delivered as part of the latest and greatest starter set, is actually an early version! Details: CS 60214 Hardware Version 3.1 Serial No 33xx Software has been updated to v1.4.0(1). This version also updates the MS2 software version to v1.4.
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pa-pauls		#21 Posted : 01 October 2010 13:01:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Thank's Jonas Is there any function mapping yet ?
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graafjp		#22 Posted : 01 October 2010 13:28:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 117 Location: Netherlands		pa-pauls wrote: Thank's Jonas Is there any function mapping yet ? YES, there is. Press the CV icon when editing a loc. After the CV's are read in you can touch a F0 to F15 button and the function assignment screen shows up.
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David Dewar		#23 Posted : 01 October 2010 13:30:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,453 Location: Scotland		Can I presume the USB stick update is not as yet available. dave
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graafjp		#24 Posted : 01 October 2010 13:56:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 117 Location: Netherlands		David Dewar wrote: Can I presume the USB stick update is not as yet available. dave Yes, the USB stick update is usually 1-2 weeks later than the online update. And I hope Marklin will not wait another year for providing (minor) updates. My GFP does not update to 1.32 as mentioned in the CS2 change log and the help panel for function mapping is still empty.
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supermoee		#25 Posted : 01 October 2010 17:20:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534		Bigdaddynz wrote: Hardware version 3.4?? Methinks my CS2, delivered as part of the latest and greatest starter set, is actually an early version! Details: CS 60214 Hardware Version 3.1 Serial No 33xx Software has been updated to v1.4.0(1). This version also updates the MS2 software version to v1.4. Strange, the CS2 delivered with the starter sets almost have Hardware Version 3.6 and serial number 14xxx. There are no 60214 with 33xx serial numbers. You got a 60213 and it is definetively not coming from the starter set. rgds Stephan
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jeehring		#26 Posted : 01 October 2010 19:38:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		supermoee wrote: Bigdaddynz wrote: Hardware version 3.4?? Methinks my CS2, delivered as part of the latest and greatest starter set, is actually an early version! Details: CS 60214 Hardware Version 3.1 Serial No 33xx Software has been updated to v1.4.0(1). This version also updates the MS2 software version to v1.4. Strange, the CS2 delivered with the starter sets almost have Hardware Version 3.6 and serial number 14xxx. There are no 60214 with 33xx serial numbers. You got a 60213 and it is definetively not coming from the starter set. rgds Stephan ...that's I always was vary of with retailers or any distribution layouts !!!
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Bigdaddynz		#27 Posted : 02 October 2010 00:02:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		supermoee wrote: There are no 60214 with 33xx serial numbers. You got a 60213 and it is definetively not coming from the starter set. Guess what! That's what came in the set. Maybe Marklin have put a returned/repaired CS2 in the set....? That might explain one or two things! Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 10:52:32(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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graafjp		#28 Posted : 02 October 2010 01:55:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 117 Location: Netherlands		Well, I bought my CS2 first quarter of this year and in the version screen it's: Central Station 60214 Software Version 1.4.0(1) Hardwareversion 3.1 Serial number is below 1000 So I guess this must also be a returned/repaired CS2.
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nevw		#29 Posted : 02 October 2010 02:50:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		graafjp wrote: Well, I bought my CS2 first quarter of this year and in the version screen it's: Central Station 60214 Software Version 1.4.0(1) Hardwareversion 3.1 Serial number is below 1000 So I guess this must also be a returned/repaired CS2. Must be the one I got. Lasted about an Hour and died. Sent back To dealer never to be returned. then it went to the Maerklin dead CS department to be rebuilt.
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GSRR		#30 Posted : 02 October 2010 03:30:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,339 Location: USA		Returned / repaired well that strikes me as a bit unethical. At a minimum you should be notified that you are receiving a returned or rebuilt unit. Is it required in Germany to notify the buyer of such a situation? If I could with certainty have the correct serial number build sequence I'd contact the dealer a bit perturbed. my 2¢ worth.
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sdh		#31 Posted : 02 October 2010 04:22:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 34 Location: India		I got my 60214 from lokshop a few weeks back. Central Station 60214 Software Version 1.4.0(1) Hardwareversion 3.1 Serial number 37xx Is it a rebuilt 60213 or a new 60214?
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graafjp		#32 Posted : 02 October 2010 12:15:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 117 Location: Netherlands		nevw wrote: graafjp wrote: Well, I bought my CS2 first quarter of this year and in the version screen it's: Central Station 60214 Software Version 1.4.0(1) Hardwareversion 3.1 Serial number is below 1000 So I guess this must also be a returned/repaired CS2. Must be the one I got. Lasted about an Hour and died. Sent back To dealer never to be returned. then it went to the Maerklin dead CS department to be rebuilt. Well that explains that the unit looked branded new. You used it only for an hour.... @GSSR, I don't know what the policy is in the Netherlands, but my recently bought iPad died after a month of usage. I returned it to Apple and the unit I got back (looks brand new) has a lower serial number than the one I originally bought. The repaired/returned issue is of course a hunch because of the low hardware version and serial number. Both devices looked brand new when I got them out of the box. And apparently there are more CS2 users reporting they have a 60214 with hw verison 3.1 and a low serial number.
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Bigdaddynz		#33 Posted : 02 October 2010 13:48:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		Of course saying that mine is a repaired/returned unit is complete speculation, but I find it rather strange that new units being sold are in the 14xxx serial no range, but units in the 3xxx range are included in starter sets, and with lower hardware versions. This of course is not necessarily bad as long as the unit operates as it is meant to and features are consistent regardless of the hardware version number. I presume the different hardware numbers refer to slight changes in the electronics used, rather than different features. And, I guess, the serial numbers would have gone back and started from 0001 when the 60214 was released. Edited by user 06 October 2010 04:01:19(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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Bigdaddynz		#34 Posted : 02 October 2010 14:19:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		nevw wrote: Must be the one I got. Yours was an early 60213, not a 60214.
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jeehring		#35 Posted : 02 October 2010 16:47:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		this is electronics :it is produced batchs after batchs. If on a next new batch they modify only the type of only one screw , they have to give a new hardware version number.... About the old Memory I was told by Marklin that there were plenty of different series, (thus : different serie numbers or hardware versions ). About the 6021 this must be probably the same case, which is easy to be verified thanks to this forum...if we want. Sometimes they modify a type of part just because on the industrial market this spare part is no more available, or not more manufactured, for different reasons (sometimes just because the producer merge with another one, etc...) About some kinds of electronical items , that's the reason why sometimes they give you a brand new item instead of repairing yours....they offer an exchange not to make you a pleasant gift, just because the exact small spare part doesn't exist anymore....and the new one cannot be fitted, or ....or....(several different reasons). Edited by user 03 October 2010 15:59:39(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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David Dewar		#36 Posted : 03 October 2010 01:13:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,453 Location: Scotland		If Marklin are selling old repaired units as new then that is a disgrace. If they are you would think they would have the sense to at least get the batch numbers etc up to date. I have a 60213 now a couple of years old but I presume with the software updates it does the same as a 60214. If they are selling old repaired models in starter sets this should be made clear. Reconditioned goods in the UK are marked as such and sold cheaper. dave
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Bigdaddynz		#37 Posted : 03 October 2010 02:35:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		I hope I haven't started off something controversial here, by saying that maybe Marklin have put a returned/repaired CS2 in my starter set, that wasn't my intention. I was just surprised to see a unit with a low serial number and earlier hardware version in the starter set, and was wondering what the reason for that was.
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sokato		#38 Posted : 03 October 2010 04:12:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 42 Location: ,		Anyone have a concise list of what is new in this update? Why do it?
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nevw		#39 Posted : 03 October 2010 06:03:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Bigdaddynz wrote: nevw wrote: Must be the one I got. Yours was an early 60213, not a 60214. O well a seniors moment. Probably put a 60214 case on my 60213. Or maybe stayed Dead, who knows
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xxup		#40 Posted : 03 October 2010 06:44:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,593 Location: Australia		Bigdaddynz wrote: ...Methinks my CS2, delivered as part of the latest and greatest starter set, is actually an early version!... Methinks it is Nev's old CS2, fixed and placed in a nice big box headed for NZ... <Update> Hmmmm.. Methinks I should have read all of the posts before posting this one.. Goes to show how great minds think alike... They should have just stuck a 60214 label on an old 60213 unit.. They both have colour screens how can you really tell the difference????
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jeehring		#41 Posted : 03 October 2010 15:34:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		sokato wrote: Anyone have a concise list of what is new in this update? ....yes this should be interesting to know....
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jonas_sthlm		#42 Posted : 03 October 2010 18:15:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 981 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		It seems that someone has the latest GFP 1.32 installed but my device is still showing 1.28 Change log show 1.4.0 build 1 with GFP 1.28
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GSRR		#43 Posted : 04 October 2010 02:46:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,339 Location: USA		supermoee wrote: Strange, the CS2 delivered with the starter sets almost have Hardware Version 3.6 and serial number 14xxx. There are no 60214 with 33xx serial numbers. You got a 60213 and it is definetively not coming from the starter set. rgds Stephan Stephan, What are you using as a source for the build sequences? Can you post any other information about this? r/Thomas
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Hemmerich		#44 Posted : 04 October 2010 23:47:02(UTC) Retweet
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Hemmerich		#45 Posted : 04 October 2010 23:50:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		- Edited by user 19 November 2010 01:25:20(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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nevw		#46 Posted : 05 October 2010 02:59:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Hemmerich wrote: supermoee wrote: Strange, Nevertheless, even those CS2's from the new Mega sets with low serial numbers are all brand new units from stock, unused and definitely never retrofitted can you be absolutly sure of this Lutz. How can you tell? It would be very hard to tell a brand new unit from a repaired one , specially if it is in new wrapping etc.
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sudibarba		#47 Posted : 05 October 2010 04:23:08(UTC) Retweet
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Bigdaddynz		#48 Posted : 05 October 2010 06:14:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		I must admit I haven't noticed much difference.
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graafjp		#49 Posted : 06 October 2010 01:15:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 117 Location: Netherlands		jeehring wrote: sokato wrote: Anyone have a concise list of what is new in this update? ....yes this should be interesting to know.... Well, most things has been revealed in this thread, but here is the (translated) change log: GUI Version 1.4.0 build 1, GFP 1.32 (Oktober 2010) Function mapping for mfx-Decoder Use of a dynamic Ramdisk GUI Version 1.3.15 build 1, GFP 1.27 (Juni 2010)Betaversion Configuration of locdecoders is significantly improved The webserver is now reachable, Help text can be displayed on a PC screen Through the webserver you can make screenprints. (thanks to the work of a CS2 user named Torsten van Beeck) Several improvements in internal scripts What I read on the stummiforum Märklin is evaluating feedback from the early adopters and will release the USB version end of october. In the mean time they are also working on completing the help files. (despite mentioned in the change log the GFP updates only to 1.28 at the moment)
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DamonKelly		#50 Posted : 07 October 2010 14:57:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,423 Location: Brisbane, QLD		I managed to update my CS2 over Tha Interwebs last night -- eventually! Background: I have a small home network on Optus cable, with a Motorola Surfboard SB5100 Cable Modem, and a Netgear RP614 router doing DHCP servise. Everything works well. This time (as before), I just connected the network cable and started the CS2. I clicked on "Update". There was some downloading (with a few red squares in amongst the yellow), followed by 3/4 of the "updating flash" (or whatever...) Then "Update failed" This happened several more times. I was puzzled, since last time it was completely problem-free. After a rush of blood to the head, I checked the CS2's IP address: 192.168.1.10 (or .somethingelse, 192.168.1.x, anyway) Odd, since the router restricts DHCP addresses to 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.49 -- the router is 192.168.0.50 There is no choice over the 192.168.0.x range, other than the .x value. Hmmmm, the CS2 had "Automatic" checked for the IP address. The CS2 was not listed on the router's "Attached Devices" list, either. While the CS2 could talk to the internet, for some reason this conflict was causing the update to fail, I think. I manually set the CS2's IP address to 192.168.0.10, et voila!, it worked!!! (Also, the CS2 now appeared on the router's "Attached Devices" list.) So, a tip -- if the CS2 connects, but the update fails, check the IP address of the CS2 versus what your router thinks it should have. I'm not quite sure what happened there (i.e. why it didn't successfullyt update the first times) -- perhaps a network-guru can explain that.
		Cheers, Damon
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