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Thank you all. I appreciate your advice.
I have written Marklin to ask if I can have only the MS2, and not the 60113 box. I have said I do not think I need it as I will plug it directly into my CS2
I will let you know the outcome.
As always the members of this forum are fantastic!!
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More advice please.
Marklin has written back. They say the MS2 (60653) alone would be E69.95, call it 70 Euros plus shipping. I think they are C$110 here, so about the same money.
How do the members advise.
Thanks for all the help. You make it more fun to wonder about what to do, and then to do it.
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Hi all, Does any body know if MS2 will have access to address's up to 255 as apposed to 80 on MS1? Cheers, Brian. Just answered my own Question. Found this link on another forum to download user manual. http://medienpdb.maerkli.../1/pdf/60653_betrieb.pdfHere is a summary of features. Mobile Station Mobile Station Features: • Digital protocols: Märklin Motorola, mfx, DCC according to NMRA/NEM standards • Running locomotives ( Motorola addresses 1 - 255, DCC 1 - 9999) • Running mfx locomotives (automatic registration) • Programming locomotives • Locomotive list for 10 active locomotives (direct selection) + 1 locomotive from a locomotive card • Locomotive data base with 1,000 locomotives • Keyboard (addresses 1 - 320) Regards, Brian. |
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Lollo wrote:Hi all,
Does any body know if MS2 will have access to address's up to 255 as apposed to 80 on MS1?
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Brian. Ref pg 3 of users guide motorola 1-255 DCC 1-9999 mFX any |
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clapcott wrote:Lollo wrote:Hi all,
Does any body know if MS2 will have access to address's up to 255 as apposed to 80 on MS1?
Cheers,
Brian. Ref pg 3 of users guide motorola 1-255 DCC 1-9999 mFX any Hi Peter, Thanks for that. I will note that FrankF had posted the link for the manual originally, sorry FrankF for missing that. The MS2 does looks like a substantial improvement and worth while upgrade over the MS1 and for the budget conscious. Cheers, Brian. |
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MS2 should be a great success. Reasonable price.
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The MS2 is now delivery from Marklin. |
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Has M begun to deliver MS2 to any stores  |
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jonas_sthlm wrote:Has M begun to deliver MS2 to any stores Should be this week, The MS2 starter set 29791 on ebay today. |
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Hello
Can someone please tell me can you connect ms 60653 with c track 24088 and with transformator 60VA from startpackage 29151
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For MS 2 use a 24188 and the new connection box 60113.
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thanks, one more
what is with transformator?
Can i plug in 60113 or not?
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Hello all, I found another video of the new MS II on YouTube  : RMW |
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strange light effects with camera....how to explain ? a matter of light frequencies with image rate per second ? (it happens with TV set ,sometimes...).
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I'm disappointed by the ability of the MS2 to store only 10 locos, reading the article in the insider it all reads great up until this point. Multi-protocol, 9999 DCC locs, 255 Marklin, 320 solenoids, 16 functions, etc - but only 10  locos in memory, plus one more if you use some daft credit card thingy which suggests you might be able to store details of one more on that. An SD card would make more sense to me, as the readers and memory for these is very cheap, I can only assume that Marklin have deliberately crippled this device as it might draw too many sales away from the CS2. I've been pondering what sort of control device to use on my layout, but I'm more leaning towards a simple box that will connect a PC/Mac to the layout. The iPhone app sounds great, something which Marklin should be taking up, we all have devices all around our homes with far more computing power than an MS2 or CS2. Marklin needs a really robust interface box, and software to control it from PC's, mobile phones, playstations, xboxes and the like preferably with Open Source policies and documentation so enthusiasts out there can contribute a whole variety of different control tools. M can then stick to what they do best - making the model we all love. Stu |
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I good ploy to offer the bundle (MS2, TrackAdapter for HO/N, Power supply) as Marklin do not. The numbers do not stack up however, as dealers are quoting lower individual prices for the 60653+60113 and the PS is country (Voltage/Plug) specific and will have to be changed. Must be playing to the "Not prepared to wait and forgot to pre-order" market |
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scraigen wrote:I'm disappointed by the ability of the MS2 to store only 10 locos.... Hi Stu, Can you please explain how (short of Voice Recognition) that you envision someone (human) managing a larger number of locos. Quote:.... some daft credit card thingy I could not disagree more. I think the LokCard is a most practical solution to your complaint and for anyone else who wants a quick way of specifically calling up a Loco without having to push buttons, rotate knobs and visually focus on a small screen. |
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I think it should be remembered that the MS2 is an introduction to Marklin model railways and control used mainly for start sets. The cost is a fraction of the CS2 and appears still to give reasonable control. (hopefully this one will be reliable)
With regard to cost I believe that spending on track and a control system is important and should not be an area to cut costs. Locos etc can be bought later over a longer period of time.
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Does it work with the 60052 transformer and cable?
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scraigen wrote:An SD card would make more sense to me, as the readers and memory for these is very cheap, I can only assume that Marklin have deliberately crippled this device as it might draw too many sales away from the CS2. Yes, it's crippled. But AFAIK you can use 11 locos even without credit card thingy. And 22 locos in total if you connect a second MS2 to the box. With non-mfx locos you can assign the same address to several locos to extend this limitation a li'l bit. The connection box 60113 can be used with transformer or with power supply. So the 60052 should fit. |
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Yes 11 Locos can be managed - when power is on. The 11th slot will loose its information after power off
The LocoCard will load into the next available slot but will overwrite the 11th slot if all slots have been allocated.
Exception: If the address of the Loco defined by the LocoCard conflicts with one already registered (within the same MS2 - no check is done for the CS2 or other MSs) a warning prompt is given. |
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clapcott wrote:scraigen wrote:I'm disappointed by the ability of the MS2 to store only 10 locos.... Hi Stu, Can you please explain how (short of Voice Recognition) that you envision someone (human) managing a larger number of locos. Quote:.... some daft credit card thingy I could not disagree more. I think the LokCard is a most practical solution to your complaint and for anyone else who wants a quick way of specifically calling up a Loco without having to push buttons, rotate knobs and visually focus on a small screen. Hi clapcott, I'm not going to attempt to run more than 10 locos at once, my complaint is the ability of the MS1 and 2 to only be able to store 10 locos, as my collection is larger than 10, I would have to reconfigure the MS1 each time a grab a loco off the shelf. I already have to do that now, when I convert another loco, I have to delete one off the MS1 to test the newest one, if I then want to run the one I deleted I have to delete another and again tell the MS1 about the loco I removed to make room for the new one. My point about the loco card is that is appears you can only store one additional loco, meaning you may need a lot of cards, I was trying to say that if M had used something like an SD card where the cost of implementing the technology has dropped so low, that you could for a few pounds be able to store details of your entire collection in one place. I hope that clarifies why I'm disappointed by the MS2. Stu |
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Hi Stu, I have no problem with what you are saying - you are simply quoting the facts. Your situation, more than 10 locos - not all on the track at a given time, is not uncommon. What I have also been struggling with (from MS1 days on - if not the Delta control and 6022/6023) is how an entry level controller (of any vendor) could be made more user friendly and ergonomic in its ability to select from a large menu of option - say greater than 10. Sure one valid option is to directly dial in the address - the problem here, as it always has been, is that remembering numbers is a distraction when we would prefer to remember a loco/train name or its image. (The usual Computer v Human dilema) Personally I think the LocoCard is quite an elegant solution, even on the CS2 which CAN cope with 65000+ entries. For the CS2, without the LocoCard, you need to perform a minimum of 3 operations to select different loco - 4+ if you have more than 30 entries in your roster. And all the time looking at the screen. With LocoCard it is possible to specifically and quickly call up the required loco - even if it is not already in the roster. Sure some physical space and discipline is needed to store the cards in a usable maner but I put it to you that this is more in keeping with runing a railway rather than running a computer. Yes I do expect one, and only one, loco per card for its specific simplicity and I am encoraged that new items are shipping with one included (showing an appropriate picture). I made a predition a couple of years back that Marklin would (should) do just this. My timing was off when I expected this to happen with the 2009 new items but as we know, events overtook Marklin. I can see your idea of a mass "roster" recorded on a removalable storage device being of use to the way some modellers like to run different themes at different times, however at this stage I would still opt for the credit-card form-factor as an easier media to handle. As to your reference to "... when I convert another loco", you have another choice. To choose an mFX decoder. While Deleting a loco position from 1-10 is desirable in order to reserve a permanent placeholder in the 60653's roster the 60653(MS2) will overwrite position 11 when it detects and re-registers the loco on the track. (This is an improvement on the MS1 but needs to be managed) As a closing comment - even with mFX self registration it takes 10-15 seconds, using a pre-prepared LocoCard take 1. p.s. re the stacking of LocoCards - There is a market out there for some entrepreneur to develop a product |
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Quote:As to your reference to "... when I convert another loco", you have another choice. To choose an mFX decoder. I'm on a bit of a budget and M's MFX decoders are very expensive, 3 times the cost of the 60760 conversion kits I'm using. |
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clapcott wrote:Hemmerich wrote:Really everything? Definitely not. There are some strange design decisions that I will have to work through. Peter, if HL knows what is wrong one would think that he would have the decency to post the faults and let everyone know the problem, Unfortunately it is not in his makeup to be helpful to all.  |
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nevw wrote:clapcott wrote:Hemmerich wrote:Really everything? Definitely not. There are some strange design decisions that I will have to work through. Peter, if HL knows what is wrong one would think that he would have the decency to post the faults and let everyone know the problem, Unfortunately it is not in his makeup to be helpful to all. If you are nice against him,you will get an answer back...! |
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Goofy wrote:nevw wrote:clapcott wrote:Hemmerich wrote:Really everything? Definitely not. There are some strange design decisions that I will have to work through. Peter, if HL knows what is wrong one would think that he would have the decency to post the faults and let everyone know the problem, Unfortunately it is not in his makeup to be helpful to all. If you are nice against him,you will get an answer back...! |
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Hemmerich wrote:steventrain wrote:I have sucessfully test the MS2 to control the 7286 turntable with 7687 digital vis CS2. There's no reason why this shouldn't work.  But you are forcement to have CS2 too,by control turntable via MS2! |
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What about to doubleheaded locomotivs from just only MS2...?
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Hemmerich wrote:No! Can you show up with some pictures,Lutz...? There is some iconsymbols,which you can reprogramming for control turntable automatic too by choising just one pressbutton. Is that possible too into MS2...??? |
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Hi Guys,
This is my first post, my layout is only now getting to a point where can count as being operational.
I have run an MS1 and was very happy with it, I now have the MS2 and experiencing a few problems.
1. I have lost some functions on my ALCO PA 1 from the 29575 set
2. It does not detect the MFX decoder in the ALCO
Any ideas, and will it not recognize any other MFX Loco's I am going to buy in the future?
Other than that, all is great.
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Excuse me Tower, how could you know if some functions are lost when you say that " the MFX decoder is not detected" ?
It's not clear for me, I can't understand.
(I don't remember the reference 29575, as there were both Motorola & MFX starting sets with NYC ALCO, are you sure you got the one with MFX decoder ? While the Motorola version was delivered completely pre-adjusted in accordance with MS1...some confusion are possible...you should verify and make sure wether it is Motorola DIP switch decoder or a MFX decoder)
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jeehring wrote:Excuse me Tower, how could you know if some functions are lost when you say that " the MFX decoder is not detected" ?
It's not clear for me, I can't understand.
(I don't remember the reference 29575, as there were both Motorola & MFX starting sets with NYC ALCO, are you sure you got the one with MFX decoder ? While the Motorola version was delivered completely pre-adjusted in accordance with MS1...some confusion are possible...you should verify and make sure wether it is Motorola DIP switch decoder or a MFX decoder)
Hi Jeehring, I bought the 29576 set and it was certainly an MFX Loco (I Checked on the Marklin web Data Base). The function I lost on the MS2 is the Cab Radio Chatter. As for the MS2 not recognising the Loco, I fixed that problem with help from another post. "marklin-users.net forum » General topics » Digital » MFX loco fails to Register with CS" It seems that the MS2 does the same. Thanks
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OK. This MS 2 is finally starting to make sense now. I have worked out what the tortoise symbol means, I have managed to reset all my locos I stuffed up when fiddling with CV's with 6 locos on the track, all ending up with the same(yet unknown) address, I managed to find all the functions on my ALCO, figured out how to select loco's quickly etc etc etc.
Actually having fun now!
Here is the question, is it only me or is the MS2 user manual (english) totally sub- standard and way too basic? I learnt more about using the thing by reading up on CS1 and CS2 manuals!
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