Joined: 17/02/2010(UTC)
Posts: 145
Location: Melbourne, Australia
|
Im in the planing stages of my first real layout, having had my modest collection set up on tables of varying size through out the years (a pool table is an excellent choice).
my question is this, how much noisier is M track when screwed down, and how much of a difference do the Marklin 7171 sound deadening strips make. is a thin layer of cork a better choice? it seems as though the strips wont add much height to the tracks. how thick dose the cork need to be for it to be effective? I gather if i use the strips ill need to put under each and every screw that goes down. |
John and his M track, the only way to train. Now with added C track and bonus K track.
If your gona be a bear, be a grizzly!
You have the right to bear arms, the right to arm bears, what ever the hell you wanna do! |
|
|
|
|
|
 Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,701 Location: United Kingdom
|
|
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy. |
|
|
|
|
|
 Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA
|
Depends on what the m-track is screwed down to. 1/4" plywood can act like a drum but add enough plaster and scenery it will get quieter. I'm building a o gauge layout and I am using a sound deadening board called homasote over 1/4" plywood. It is suppose to help a lot but O gauge is noisy.
I think the cork will do a lot for m track. |
DT
Now powered by ECoS II unit#2, RocRail
era - some time in the future when the space time continuum is disrupted and ICE 3 Trains run on the same rails as the Adler and BR18's. |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 28/07/2006(UTC) Posts: 880 Location: Augusta, GA USA
|
I buy 1/8" cork sheets 2' X 4' in a roll from an office supply house (Staples). I cut into strips, curves, or turnout shapes as required with a straight edge and razor knife. I only screw down everyother piece of track often with only one screw.
Eric
|
 1 user liked this useful post by sudibarba
|
|
|
|
Joined: 03/02/2010(UTC) Posts: 898 Location: So Cal
|
I have found that Dow Corning manufacturers a foam insulation board. It is offered in 1", 2", & 4" thickness in lengths of 2' x 8'. It is used my many if the Z scale modelers in layers they it is cut out to form rivers to be bridged. I'm thinking about a 1" piece under a 4" piece for my HO trains. Of course, I'll have cross beams under it.
Robert |
HOac and Z scale running SBB/BLS Era IV-V
|
|
|
|
|
|
 Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,464 Location: Scotland
|
Woodland Scenics (Noch) do foam sheets which i find very good. I use under C track. Quite expensive but in my view worthwhile.
dave |
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer. |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,296 Location: Scotland
|
Hi John, No soundproofing for me, thankyou very much.  Ian.
|
1 user liked this useful post by Ian555
|
|
|
|
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC)
Posts: 11,165
|
I'd say that a thin styropor/foam sheet would be better than cork or the expensive M rubber dampers... The screws will transpond the noise to the board, so maybe some dabs of hot glue for fixating the styropor & tracks would be preferred? Just a thought... |
Juhan - "Webmaster", at your service...
He who asks a question is a fool for five minutes. He who does not ask a question remains a fool forever. [Old Chinese Proverb] |
|
|
|
|
|
 Joined: 14/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 19,116 Location: Istanbul,
|
Hi John, If it might give an idea,I would be happy....M-Tacks with 7171 sound deading strips...the screws have been removed.... with my kind regards.... mehmet |
Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you... |
|
|
|
|
|
 Joined: 27/12/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,165 Location: Western Cape Cape Town
|
Ian555 wrote:Hi John, No soundproofing for me, thankyou very much. Ian. yes indeed......m track is all about that beautiful "noise" Joe
|
1 user liked this useful post by Joseph Meiring
|
|
|
|
Joined: 21/02/2009(UTC)
Posts: 382
Location: Simpsonville, SC
|
Put a fiber board on top of the plywood. The fiberboard is super quiet and cheap. |
Never quit building. |
|
|
|
|
|
 Joined: 30/12/2007(UTC) Posts: 300 Location: Melbourne, Victoria
|
John,
I use a special grey foam available from Clarke rubber.
By the way, if you need screws, I sell top quality ones for M/C track etc...
go to ebay.com.au, type in Marklin and you will find them.
Cheers, |
Glenn |
|
|
|
|
|
 Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,597 Location: Spain
|
I use 2mm cork on 15mm "laminated" board (sorry forgot the english term). -The decisive factor seems indeed to be the screws! Dont tighten them much, as they are the perfect sound-conductor.
It might also help to make narrow wooden "ramps" instead of large "plates" which tends to baffle the sound more.
Also not many screws are needed -especially if you glue in scenery along the tracks. In hidden sections I screw down each third rail-segment. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 08/06/2009(UTC)
Posts: 75
Location: White Mountains, NH
|
I put down a layer of 1/8" cork under green felt, both glued to plywood. Going online, I was able to find a supplier of sheet cork sold in rolls. In the US it is sold in 4' width and varying lengths, making it very convenient for 4'x8' sheets of plywood. I have been very happy with the results, both for sound reduction and overall.
There is a bit of learning curve when drilling through either cork and felt, but nothing serious. Keep a shop vac around to clean up the bits of cork from drilling holes as you go. Many swear by homasote as a cheaper and less crumbly alternative, but I didn't want to have either the extra thickness or the substantially greater weight.
Hope this helps.
Bill
|
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,464 Location: Scotland
|
I think with M track you have to accept noise. It does mean you dont get much value from loco sound decoders.
Then again M track people probably just go ; Chuff Chuff ; themselves when their trains are running.
Joking guys, I do know there are lots of M track fans. Serously though good sound proofing does make a big difference and instead of screws just a touch of a rubber type glue will hold the track in place and allow it to be lifted later.
Ian: Copydex works well with C track and perhaps could be used with M.
dave |
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer. |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 17/02/2010(UTC)
Posts: 145
Location: Melbourne, Australia
|
Thanks for your help guys, I think ill have to run some experiments, as much for my curiosity as anything else. Maybe put a biggish oval with different sound deadener's under different parts. |
John and his M track, the only way to train. Now with added C track and bonus K track.
If your gona be a bear, be a grizzly!
You have the right to bear arms, the right to arm bears, what ever the hell you wanna do! |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 27/12/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,165 Location: Western Cape Cape Town
|
David Dewar wrote:I think with M track you have to accept noise. It does mean you dont get much value from loco sound decoders.
Then again M track people probably just go ; Chuff Chuff ; themselves when their trains are running.
Joking guys, I do know there are lots of M track fans. Serously though good sound proofing does make a big difference and instead of screws just a touch of a rubber type glue will hold the track in place and allow it to be lifted later.
Ian: Copydex works well with C track and perhaps could be used with M.
dave Oh darn.....how did u know i go chuff chuff, and sometimes even choef choef!! I like the glue bit, makes sense, and easier to apply than screws! ......chuff, chuff Joe
|
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,296 Location: Scotland
|
Hi Joe, Can I join in...Chuff chuff..chuff chuff At least no one else can here me in the "train room". Ian. Dave, copydex ??
|
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,464 Location: Scotland
|
Hi Ian. Copydex is a glue which you can get at B & Q or Homebase and at some local shops. It is different to most glues and I put a little on the edge of C track which holds the track firmly in postion and if I want to lift the track it will come away from the baseboard by inserting a screwdriver or similar under the track ballast.
It sticks my C track to a foam base and running is near silent. With a few locos running on M without sound deadening you might find it difficult to hear sound decoders etc.
dave |
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer. |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,296 Location: Scotland
|
Hi Dave, Thanks, I'll have a look for that at our local B&Q. I wish I had a few Loco's running,still crawling about underneath doing wiring.  . Ian.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 27/12/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,165 Location: Western Cape Cape Town
|
Ian555 wrote:Hi Dave, Thanks, I'll have a look for that at our local B&Q. I wish I had a few Loco's running,still crawling about underneath doing wiring. . Ian. I cheat.....do little bit of wiring, then running locos, then wiring...running, but with a small layout like mine it is easier of course! chuff chuff on M...
|
|
|
|
|
|
 Joined: 14/11/2015(UTC) Posts: 15 Location: Kelowna, British Columbia
|
I am getting back into Marklin and read these articles previously and decided to try plastic rawlplugs in the baseboard for the screws, any one tried this
|
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,603 Location: Australia
|
I have tonnes of m-track.. What noise?  |
Adrian Australia flag by abFlags.com |
2 users liked this useful post by xxup
|
|
|
|
Joined: 11/08/2015(UTC) Posts: 1,091
|
I have some M track sections mixed into my C track and quite honestly, I love the rumble when whatever I am running transitions to the M track section, my next future layout (I am planning to be moving in the next 1-2 years and so don't want to dismantle any landscape) is going to incorporate plenty of M track for this very reason |
American by Geography, Australian by Birth. I am an original Ameristraylian |
|
|
|
|
|
 Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand
|
I used cork under my M track, which is screwed to my MDF baseboard. Screws do however transmit sound from the track to the baseboard, so if you are worried about noise, try to find some other way to fix your track. Also, think about whether your fixing method allows you to easily take up your track should you need to access underneath the track for some reason.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.
