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Hi all.
I have two tubes of precision lubricants under the brand-name of Hob-E-Lube by Woodland Scenics. One tube is the ultra-lite oil for bearings, and the other is the dry white lub with teflon for gears.
They were used used very briefly for a very small collection American brand of model trains that I had and both tubes are still full. I had those American brands for less than a year and then I decided to just sell the entire collection for next to nothing, because compared to the quality of brands from Germany, Switzerland, or Austria (like Marklin, Trix, Fleischmann, HAG, Roco, etc...), it is almost as if those American brands have no value.
I want to know whether these lubricants would be suitable to use for Marklin locomotives. Or would I have to use the lubricants specificaly made for Marklin?
Keith.
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Bearings and gears are universally similar, so they will do fine...
Maybe add their "light" oil (I presume "ultra-light" is silicone) into your assortment, this one would be the best for motor axle bearings as I see - will probably keep lubrication for a longer time than the "ultra-light".
I myself use Faller lubricants, and even plain synthetic car motor oil...
No need to use Marklin-branded products. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster
<br />Bearings and gears are universally similar, so they will do fine...
Maybe add their "light" oil (I presume "ultra-light" is silicone) into your assortment, this one would be the best for motor axle bearings as I see - will probably keep lubrication for a longer time than the "ultra-light".
I myself use Faller lubricants, and even plain synthetic car motor oil...
No need to use Marklin-branded products.
I believe the old manuals even stated what weight motor oil to use. Probably not an issue, but a bottle of HAG oil or two bottles of Marklin last a long time. Eric
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 Joined: 11/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,151 Location: istanbul,
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Hi,
Since we are talking about lubricants; somebody told me that using grease helps reducing gear noise considerably. I know it is not recommended to use grease but would it do much harm if I use?
Also, can it be that grease really helps with the noise?
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by tekin65
<br />Hi,
Since we are talking about lubricants; somebody told me that using grease helps reducing gear noise considerably. I know it is not recommended to use grease but would it do much harm if I use?
Also, can it be that grease really helps with the noise?
Cem.
This topic really interests me, since I have several loks with numerous gears. They do make a racket. Has anyone ever found a satisfactory silencer? Once, many years ago, a service advisor from Marklin USA told me to use petroleum jelly. I balked at that, but it may have worked. Another problem is that the body shell amplifies the gear noise tremendously. Is inserting foam the best way to handle that? Regards, Tom Cox
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Joined: 11/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,151 Location: istanbul,
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by tommyheadleycox
<br />Another problem is that the body shell amplifies the gear noise tremendously. Is inserting foam the best way to handle that?
Hmmmm, This might be a very good idea. Must try this. Say, if I cover the motor with a sort of isolator would that increase the heat as to harm it? Cem. |
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I've found that Labelle XL (Heavy) works well for axles and armatures, while their 102 Gear Lubricant is great for the gears. Both are plastic compatible and neither seem to harden like the factory-applied "cement" lube Maerklin uses.  Steve
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by tommyheadleycox
<br />This topic really interests me, since I have several loks with numerous gears. They do make a racket. Has anyone ever found a satisfactory silencer? Once, many years ago, a service advisor from Marklin USA told me to use petroleum jelly. I balked at that, but it may have worked. Another problem is that the body shell amplifies the gear noise tremendously. Is inserting foam the best way to handle that? Firstly the matter of lubrication: worm wheels and cogwheels should have grease applied, <u>but never on the axles</u>, for axles (bearings) any kind of thin oil (sewing machine oil) will do, but very lightly, because excessive oil might penetrate into unwanted areas like the brushes or down onto the tracks. Personally I use Super Lube (syntetic grease with PTFE) for greasing. Secondly using foam or like: make sure that the decoder (if any) is not covered up, it needs to get rid of excessive heat. I am not sure if the motor is affected unless used for constant running. |
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Hi Keith,
I would avoid the Faller oil. I have found this oil to harden over time, and not suited for Marklin locomotive lubrication.
I would strongly recommend the Modellbahnöl SR24. I have used it for many years and I have found it be a well suited light, non-hardening oil for locomotive lubrication.
Cheers,
Ranjit |
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tekin65 wrote:
Say, if I cover the motor with a sort of isolator would that increase the heat as to harm it?
Cem.
It's a bit scary actually considering the motor do get quite warm usually after 10-15 minutes running.. Maybe use the sound deadening material as normally found under the car bonnet? .. and only cover part of the body shell.. |
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Ranjit wrote:Hi Keith,
I would avoid the Faller oil. I have found this oil to harden over time, and not suited for Marklin locomotive lubrication.
I would strongly recommend the Modellbahnöl SR24. I have used it for many years and I have found it be a well suited light, non-hardening oil for locomotive lubrication.
Cheers,
Ranjit Hi fellow members I respect every member's right to choose which lubricant they want to use on their locomotives and rolling stock. This product (Modellbahnöl SR24) is however NOT a lubricant. It is a cleaning- & smoking generating fluid. As per the link below; it is not suitabe for axle bearing and gear lubrication. http://www.lokdepot.de/d...4-mit-100-ccm::2414.htmlRegards |
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Although I use marklin oil for lubrication on my trix locos, I would like to know what other types of commercially available oils could be used instead because I only have a small quantity. Would sewing machine oil be good?  |
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Deborail wrote:Although I use marklin oil for lubrication on my trix locos, I would like to know what other types of commercially available oils could be used instead because I only have a small quantity. Would sewing machine oil be good? You must be careful as in most cases the oil must NOT react with the Plastic. There Is the M oil and others which I cannot remember without a bit of searching bit I am sure will appear after this post.   NN |
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Deborail wrote:Although I use marklin oil for lubrication on my trix locos, I would like to know what other types of commercially available oils could be used instead because I only have a small quantity. Would sewing machine oil be good? I've been using singer sewing machine oil for some years now and I have had absolutely no problem. |
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 Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand
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I'm using Labelle 108 oil, it comes with a long metal tube for application. Labelle also produce grease suitable for MRR.
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Bigdaddynz wrote:I'm using Labelle 108 oil, it comes with a long metal tube for application. Labelle also produce grease suitable for MRR. Hi Dave, Where do you get this Labelle 108 oil in NZ? |
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Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand
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The MMRC has a supply of it Macca. We used to obtain it from Derek Townsend (one of our club founding members), who ran a Marklin and other MRR repair business. Sadly he has had to sell because of ill health. I can check with Julian to see if we can still get it.
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Bigdaddynz wrote:The MMRC has a supply of it Macca. We used to obtain it from Derek Townsend (one of our club founding members), who ran a Marklin and other MRR repair business. Sadly he has had to sell because of ill health. I can check with Julian to see if we can still get it. Cheers,thanks  |
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tekin65 wrote:Hi,
Since we are talking about lubricants; somebody told me that using grease helps reducing gear noise considerably. I know it is not recommended to use grease but would it do much harm if I use?
Also, can it be that grease really helps with the noise?
Cem. The only problem with grease is, it is exposed to the elements and unless you apply it in the same way as a tiny drop of oil you may find all the dirt quickly will mix with the grease. John |
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