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Zora la rousse		#1 Posted : 24 November 2008 15:34:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/10/2005(UTC) Posts: 856 Location: ,		Saterday 22 November a train derailed at Amsterdam Muiderpoort. 9 from the 25 wagons of a goods train left the rails. The total weight of the train was 2138 tons. The total damage is not known at the moment. After the tracks are cleared ProRail can see the rails and signals, and can decide how to repair it. I must travel over another route the coming days to my work. [:(!]
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RayF		#2 Posted : 24 November 2008 16:36:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Wow! Thanks for the info Zora! Was the loco also derailed?
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tekin65		#3 Posted : 24 November 2008 17:06:20(UTC) Retweet
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DasBert33		#4 Posted : 24 November 2008 19:08:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,277		Look at those nice NMBS cars...
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Rinus		#5 Posted : 24 November 2008 20:53:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,729 Location: Wageningen, The Netherlands		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DasBert33 <br />Look at those nice NMBS cars... More pictures of those nice cars on this site: http://gespot.at5.nl/2008/11/23/ontspoorde-goederentrein/ By the logo's on their jackets it seems that the Strukton company will be clearing the mess. Would be an interesting idea for a diorama together with the strukton train from Marklin.
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al_pignolo		#6 Posted : 24 November 2008 22:51:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 904 Location: bologna, BO		I hope nobody got injured in this accident. Fortunately it is a goods train and not a passenger one. Has someone told why this happened? Pietro
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mike c		#7 Posted : 25 November 2008 04:52:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,245 Location: Montreal, QC		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DasBert33 <br />Look at those nice NMBS cars... or was it SNCB cars? (NMBS is the Flemish name for the railway, but SNCB is better known internationally.) Were the cars full or empty at the time of the incident? It seems that it is lucky that none of the cars went over the parapet of the bridge and down onto the street below. Regards Mike C
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Troy Yang		#8 Posted : 25 November 2008 05:23:59(UTC) Retweet
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al_pignolo		#9 Posted : 25 November 2008 10:25:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 904 Location: bologna, BO		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Were the cars full or empty at the time of the incident? In the 3rd picture you can see some gravel on the rail. Maybe cars were loaded with gravel, but they could also have raised some ballast when they derailed I found other pictures here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/erwyn/3051941937/ Pietro
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WelshMatt		#10 Posted : 25 November 2008 12:43:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,345 Location: ,		Actually, on the prototype the flanges aren't the primary means of keeping the stock on the rails apart from on tight curves. The wheel treads are slightly coned, which keeps the wheelset centred on the rails. You can tell when the flanges are hitting the rails because of the very loud screeching noises! That's why we need to have overscale flanges in HO, because they are far more important to us than they are for the real thing. Some real steamers even had one or two flangeless driving wheels to help them around tight curves. You can get away with scale flanges but you would need to make everything else perfectly to scale, including the minimum radius of curves.
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Zora la rousse		#11 Posted : 25 November 2008 20:24:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/10/2005(UTC) Posts: 856 Location: ,		I still had to make a detour today. As far as I can tell, the bridge is also damaged.
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Rinus		#12 Posted : 25 November 2008 20:49:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,729 Location: Wageningen, The Netherlands		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by al_pignolo <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Were the cars full or empty at the time of the incident? In the 3rd picture you can see some gravel on the rail. Maybe cars were loaded with gravel, but they could also have raised some ballast when they derailed I found other pictures here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/erwyn/3051941937/ Pietro The cars were filled with white chalk powder, which is also causing the white dust cloudes on Zora's first picture. In the Netherlands ballast and gravel are usually transported in smaller cars like these, which are easier to unload during rail construction works.
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steventrain		#13 Posted : 25 November 2008 21:50:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		Thanks for the report, It might be hopper wheels damage before came off the rails?
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Rinus		#14 Posted : 25 November 2008 22:44:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,729 Location: Wageningen, The Netherlands		Possible. Especially because it seems a accident with only one train involved. The Amsterdam area is being struck with several accidents in the past few years. One of which was caused my defects in the wheels. Most of them however where caused my human factors. With the present safety system on the dutch trains, called ATB, it is possible to ignore a "red" signal when driving below 40 km/h, allowing trains to pass a signal which they shouldn't pass. For this reason the system is much critised recently. The National Transport Safety Board will investigate this accident, as usuall and report their findings.
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al_pignolo		#15 Posted : 26 November 2008 20:26:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 904 Location: bologna, BO		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Evil R <br /> Most of them however where caused my human factors. With the present safety system on the dutch trains, called ATB, it is possible to ignore a "red" signal when driving below 40 km/h, allowing trains to pass a signal which they shouldn't pass. For this reason the system is much critised recently. The National Transport Safety Board will investigate this accident, as usuall and report their findings. How many drivers has got a train in the Netherlands? One or two?
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Zora la rousse		#16 Posted : 01 December 2008 14:11:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/10/2005(UTC) Posts: 856 Location: ,		5 of the 6 tracks are now available. The trains have to run slow over the bridge because of the new rails. But all is better than the diversions last week.
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pab		#17 Posted : 01 December 2008 18:47:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,764		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by al_pignolo <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Evil R <br /> Most of them however where caused my human factors. With the present safety system on the dutch trains, called ATB, it is possible to ignore a "red" signal when driving below 40 km/h, allowing trains to pass a signal which they shouldn't pass. For this reason the system is much critised recently. The National Transport Safety Board will investigate this accident, as usuall and report their findings. How many drivers has got a train in the Netherlands? One or two? Just one driver and one or two conductors for ticket checking, closing doors, etc. Ticketchecking is only done when the conductor is able to move through the train, which isn't possible in a lot of trains during rush hours. [:p]
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Rinus		#18 Posted : 03 December 2008 21:35:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,729 Location: Wageningen, The Netherlands		Some pictures of the derailment and the recovery works last week. Enjoy! Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 13:23:44(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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steventrain		#19 Posted : 03 December 2008 22:00:20(UTC) Retweet
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Macfire		#20 Posted : 04 December 2008 04:14:46(UTC) Retweet
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Pavle		#21 Posted : 06 December 2008 01:23:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 206 Location: Netherlands		I had a similar derailment with those same cars (Langer Heinrich) on my layout a while ago. Only damage was a wheelset that I could easily put back in position . Compare that to all those loose bits in the pictures above. Conclusion: Marklin quality is much better as it's prototypes... Peter
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Rinus		#22 Posted : 06 December 2008 18:25:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,729 Location: Wageningen, The Netherlands		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Pavle <br />I had a similar derailment with those same cars (Langer Heinrich) on my layout a while ago. Only damage was a wheelset that I could easily put back in position . Compare that to all those loose bits in the pictures above. Conclusion: Marklin quality is much better as it's prototypes... Peter Don't forget these were Belgium cars ... [:o)]
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Macfire		#23 Posted : 07 December 2008 04:36:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,652 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Pavle Conclusion: Marklin quality is much better as it's prototypes... Peter ROLF
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Tivvy		#24 Posted : 10 December 2008 08:36:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 414 Location: Melbourne, Victoria		Any news on what caused the derailment? I see there was a turnout nearby, was that related to the derailment?
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Zora la rousse		#25 Posted : 10 December 2008 13:05:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/10/2005(UTC) Posts: 856 Location: ,		What caused the derailment is still not known. The bridge is damaged, still one track is not in use. All the switches on the other bridge are broken.
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