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What is the equivalant to M7226 smoke generator in Suethe? |
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According to M*'s catalogue, Adrian is not correct.
M* say:
7226 is equivalent to Seuthe No. 10, 72270 is equivalent to Seuthe No. 20.
Some Delta locos need Seuthe No. 11 instead of 7226/No. 10.
Some Delta locos need Seuthe No. 24 instead of 72270/No. 20.
(taken from Jahrbuch 2005) |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by h-zero
<br />According to M*'s catalogue, Adrian is not correct.
M* say:
7226 is equivalent to Seuthe No. 10, 72270 is equivalent to Seuthe No. 20.
Some Delta locos need Seuthe No. 11 instead of 7226/No. 10.
Some Delta locos need Seuthe No. 24 instead of 72270/No. 20.
(taken from Jahrbuch 2005)
When you convert an analog loco or a delta loco into digital, what should you do with smoke generator? For digital purpose it is better 10 even if there was 11 in original  ? And in lokpilot there is a value for CV 115 (or 116) intended for smoke generator. I wonder if it gives current only if loco is running or something like that... Pietro
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<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by al_pignolo<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by h-zero
<br />According to M*'s catalogue, Adrian is not correct.
M* say:
7226 is equivalent to Seuthe No. 10, 72270 is equivalent to Seuthe No. 20.
Some Delta locos need Seuthe No. 11 instead of 7226/No. 10.
Some Delta locos need Seuthe No. 24 instead of 72270/No. 20.
(taken from Jahrbuch 2005)
When you convert an analog loco or a delta loco into digital, what should you do with smoke generator? For digital purpose it is better 10 even if there was 11 in original ? And in lokpilot there is a value for CV 115 (or 116) intended for smoke generator. I wonder if it gives current only if loco is running or something like that... Pietro Hi Pietro,Hi all, I'm not quite sure whether I understand your question correctly or not,but it all depends on the fact whether the smoke generator is powered directly by the slider or via the switchable function output,most of the time F1. Lokos with a 16V-smoke generator connected directly to the slider (which is the case with an analog loco) should not be operated on a Digital layout otherwise the smoke generator will be damaged. The smoke generator should be replaced by a 20V type. Deltaloks, with a smoke generator connected directly to the slider of the loco should not be equipped with a 16V type of smoke generator.The smoke generator will otherwise be damaged. Also in this case a 20V-smoke generator should be installed. Caution: Delta- or Digitallocos, with a switchable smoke generator function should be equipped with a 16V- smoke generator!. The reason is that the smoke generator with these locos are powered with a reduced voltage.In order to get a reasonable amount of smoke the 16V version gives the best results. The 20V-smoke generator will only smoke lightly if at all. <s>The smoke generators for digital locos with a switchable function also draw less current than the other types.</s> edited: incorrect statement.According to SEUTHE the 20V-smoke generators have a green tip and the 16V-smoke generators a pink one. Sorry in German only,but there'e a wealth of information to be found here: http://www.seuthe-dampf.de/start.htmHope this helps a little in the confusing world of smoke. Kind regards Guus |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by al_pignolo<br />For digital purpose it is better 10 even if there was 11 in original ? Guus gave a pretty good answer. With digital locos, the smoke generator is normally installed between loco frame and decoder (just like the flickering lights of 6090 or delta locos) - therefore it only gets a part of the track voltage. If it's not connected to the decoder (installed between slider and frame) it will get the full track power. Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by al_pignolo
<br />And in lokpilot there is a value for CV 115 (or 116) intended for smoke generator. I wonder if it gives current only if loco is running or something like that... I think it's only a "dimmer" that allows to reduce the power (maybe I should try those values with a lamp to see what they are doing). |
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There's some more information to be found on smoke generators in Märklins own publication on Maintenance and Troubleshooting book #730.
I don't want to make things any more complicated than they may appear already but I hope you'll find the following interesting:
If you want to connect the smoke generator directly to the trackpower then a Seuthe # 11 might be a good replacement for Märklins 7226,like already mentioned by Thomas.
Among others Märklin models 3301,33102,33911,33951,3415,34880,348882,34883,3701,37880,37882 and 37951 are suitable for this type #11.
For locomotives with a switchable smoke generator function the Seuthe # 24 is a good equivalent for the Seuthe # 20 or Märklin 72270.
Like the #11 the # 24 can withstand higher voltages.
Among others Märklin locos 33181,33184,33185 and 37181 could be equipped with a #24.
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In my class 10, I get better smoke with the seuthe 20, than the 24.
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Thank you Guus and Thomas. Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by h-zero
I think it's only a "dimmer" that allows to reduce the power (maybe I should try those values with a lamp to see what they are doing).
Mmmmmh... in LoPi 2.0 the "normal" dimming for function exit has values 0-15 for CV115. There are other values for several purposes (such as blinking lights or other effects...) and values from 96 to 111 are for smoke generator that is also dimmed (96=1V, 111=16V). It works well  but it makes me curious.... Regards Pietro
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus
The smoke generators for digital locos with a switchable function also draw less current than the other types. Hi Guus, you gave an excellent explanation for the not so advanced "smoke fans" - Thanks!!!  However, let me correct you on the above statement: It's basically the other way round - the higher voltage smokers designed for non switchable operation (like Delta) draw less current than those being used in either analog or digitally switched mode. Usually this is not very critical as most decoders today are or should provide enough power to supply as well such a higher current smoker. Seuthe offers now newly an IMHO quite interesting smoker with smaller dimensions (#27, #28), which might be of special interest for installations in a BR86 or BR24. For my BR86's I still had used #22 (since the new ones were not yet available then) and did cut off the black isolation in the upper part, by doing so I reduced the mounting diameter to 3,5mm; no harm at all for the plastic chimneys of these locos - at least not until today.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Hemmerich<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus
The smoke generators for digital locos with a switchable function also draw less current than the other types. Hi Guus, you gave an excellent explanation for the not so advanced "smoke fans" - Thanks!!! However, let me correct you on the above statement: It's basically the other way round - the higher voltage smokers designed for non switchable operation (like Delta) draw less current than those being used in either analog or digitally switched mode. Usually this is not very critical as most decoders today are or should provide enough power to supply as well such a higher current smoker. Seuthe offers now newly an IMHO quite interesting smoker with smaller dimensions (#27, #28), which might be of special interest for installations in a BR86 or BR24. For my BR86's I still had used #22 (since the new ones were not yet available then) and did cut off the black isolation in the upper part, by doing so I reduced the mounting diameter to 3,5mm; no harm at all for the plastic chimneys of these locos - at least not until today. [:I] Hi Lutz, You're absolutely right.I stand corrected,must have been a brain fart [:I] I'll remove the above mentioned remark, it's like you say just the other way around. Thanks for your suggestion on the installation of smaller smoke generators locos.It reminds me of another suggestion made by Märklin that a Seuthe type #100 may be suitable for locos with a plastic body. Kind regards Guus |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Hemmerich For my BR86's I still had used #22 (since the new ones were not yet available then) and did cut off the black isolation in the upper part, by doing so I reduced the mounting diameter to 3,5mm; no harm at all for the plastic chimneys of these locos - at least not until today. The same for me: [:(] 
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Hi all,
The Suethe 11 works great.
Thanks again. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Legless
<br />Hi all,
The Suethe 11 works great.
Thanks again.
You can say that again and so does M 7226 which is the same as Seuthe 10 N |
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See also notice from Seuthe in the latest MM (pg. 27 bottom). Lately they have as well added #27 (10-16V) and #28 (16-22V) to their website.
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hi all, some advise would be useful. I have installed an seuthe #11 into my 39010 which worked fine, smoke everywhere when activating F1 on my 6021. However as some of you maybe aware the the c sinus version of this model had voltage sensitivity problems. I rang the service desk in Germany and was advise that this model had to be sent back for an upgrade to fix the problem. (it was well know problem). So off I popped and sent it off to the repair depot...... well on the return the c sinus issue was fixed and the loco runs as smooth as silk.....but now, when I push F1 to activate the smoke stack the loco comes to a complete holt....just stops dead and the front lights start flashing. Deactivate F1 and the loco runs fine again(without smoke) has anyone got an answer of what this maybe...??? I love smoke, ......from locos that is.....!! |
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Ooooppppssss... [:I] Sorry all I mean 10, I'm putting the 11 in another loco soon and yes the 10 works great. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by marklin61
<br />but now, when I push F1 to activate the smoke stack the loco comes to a complete holt....just stops dead and the front lights start flashing. That's the overload detection of the decoder. Probably there's a shortcut somewhere around the smoke generator. Open the cover and make sure the smoke generator contact touches only the wire at the bottom of the smoke generator and nothing else. |
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