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Offline Bruce Skolnik  
#1 Posted : 03 July 2007 05:13:36(UTC)
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I am working on a service area with a Marklin turntable.

Does anyone have any opinions on which roundhouse (Marklin, Vollmer, Faller, Kibri, etc) is most optimal? Any products to avoid?

This would include items like kit quality and overall finnished product aesthetics.

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Offline DaleSchultz  
#2 Posted : 03 July 2007 05:50:05(UTC)
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make sure the roundhouse you select has the correct spacing (degrees) that match your turntable.
Dale
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Offline bobhunt2  
#3 Posted : 03 July 2007 09:55:28(UTC)
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Bruce,

Earlier this year I built the Marklin 72881 roundhouse, which went together very well and has operated without a hitch.

Bob
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bruce Skolnik
<br />I am working on a service area with a Marklin turntable.

Does anyone have any opinions on which roundhouse (Marklin, Vollmer, Faller, Kibri, etc) is most optimal? Any products to avoid?

This would include items like kit quality and overall finnished product aesthetics.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
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Offline David Dewar  
#4 Posted : 03 July 2007 14:11:22(UTC)
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Hi Bruce. I think the Marklin version is made by Vollmer. I have the Faller roundhouse and find that this goes well with K track. If you use C you can convert to K with a special rail.
I like the Faller kits but have seeen the Vollmer which is also good. As Bob already has the Marklin version which he likes then it is probably down to which you think would look best on your layout.
Also when ordering you could add some weathering paints to add a bit of grime etc.

David
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#5 Posted : 03 July 2007 17:09:27(UTC)
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I think the Märklin roundhouse is made by Heljan, not Vollmer. (<s>Vollmer is now owned by Faller</s>)
I once saw an identical looking Heljan roundhouse on ebay and bought it, then found it did not have the same track spacing as my Märklin branded one, so I sold it again and bought a second Märklin one.
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Offline David Dewar  
#6 Posted : 03 July 2007 18:08:34(UTC)
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When did Faller buy Vollmer. This sure is news to me.

David
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#7 Posted : 03 July 2007 18:27:58(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar
<br />When did Faller buy Vollmer. This sure is news to me.

David


My mistake! I was thinking of Pola
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Offline Caboose  
#8 Posted : 03 July 2007 20:49:47(UTC)
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I also bought the Heljan roundhouse back in the 80's. I still have the box somewhere. I'l remember there was a picture of the roundhouse, heljans big turnable and a buntch of american steams on the box, and a little oval logotype marked "Con-cor".
And that roundhouse is to big for small turnable like Marklin.
The angle is not right.
(Unless you don't use curved track between turnable and roundhouse)

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Offline Hemmerich  
#9 Posted : 03 July 2007 20:52:42(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bruce Skolnik
<br />I am working on a service area with a Marklin turntable.

Does anyone have any opinions on which roundhouse (Marklin, Vollmer, Faller, Kibri, etc) is most optimal? Any products to avoid?

This would include items like kit quality and overall finnished product aesthetics.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Bruce,

you can't do anything wrong with the following products: Märklin #72881 or Vollmer #5754 (each 3 places; they are basically the same), Vollmer #5758 (6 places), Faller #120175 thu 120177 and Kibri #9452, #9312 and even #9313 (which is a short one).

They all have 15° and thus fit.


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Offline Voller  
#10 Posted : 04 July 2007 12:14:39(UTC)
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I like the Faller 120218 kit. Its called "Ringlokschuppen Freilassing". Out of the box, it comes with five doors instead of the "normal" three. You can, however, choose to build the roundhouse with any number of doors. The one I have at home only has three doors because of lack of space.

The real beauty is that the space between tracks in the roundhouse is 7,5°, which matches the Märklin turntable. In other words: You can use every track on the turntable. If you buy a Märklin roundhouse, you can only use one out of two tracks (as I recall - feel free to correct me on that point).

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Offline Hemmerich  
#11 Posted : 04 July 2007 22:44:36(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Voller
<br />I like the Faller 120218 kit. Its called "Ringlokschuppen Freilassing". Out of the box, it comes with five doors instead of the "normal" three.

The real beauty is that the space between tracks in the roundhouse is 7,5�, which matches the M�rklin turntable. In other words: You can use every track on the turntable. If you buy a M�rklin roundhouse, you can only use one out of two tracks (as I recall - feel free to correct me on that point).


You are completely right! I had really almost forgotten this one. It has 7,5° track space angle which allows already 24(!) stands with just a half circle (180°), which is simply great by all respects!!! [:p]

Lucky ones who have the space for that!!! Smile
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Offline steventrain  
#12 Posted : 04 July 2007 22:49:14(UTC)
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Very nice roundhouse,Thanks for sharing.
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#13 Posted : 05 July 2007 14:11:08(UTC)
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Thanks Voller, for the great photos and explanation.

Is there a particular reason you have K track? in the roundhouse, but C track on the side?

regards
Kimball
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Offline pat  
#14 Posted : 05 July 2007 15:29:26(UTC)
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Voller that roundhouse looks great whats the length of that one? my marklin one is a bit big for my layout and I would love to build a new one.
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Offline Voller  
#15 Posted : 05 July 2007 16:45:35(UTC)
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Thanks guys.

The length of the house itself is about 34 cm, which is about the same as the Märklin roundhouse. C-track won't fit in the roundhouse because of a small piece of plastic holding the tracks in place.

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I suppose it wouldn't take a rocketscientist to remove that piece of plastic and make room for the C-track...
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Offline Macfire  
#16 Posted : 06 July 2007 07:12:39(UTC)
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We have just finished building the M 72881.
This roundhouse was chosen because we liked the "air of spaciousness" rather than the cramped appearance of the Faller kit, as well as the LED lighting system. Assembly was overall, very straight forward.
The red-brick finish is being aged and "grubbied-up" by my partner, using charcol and other artistic tricks.
We would love a 6 bay unit but space precludes this.
Ours is fed by the 7286 turntable and a "back shunt" off the that leads off to a Faller 120159 Back Shop.
We are also making up the Vollmer 5731 Signal Tower as well as the kits from the Marklin 78010 ”Railroad Maintenance Facility” Theme Extension Set.

I am at work so cannot show pics or diagrams but using the "clock code" with the turntable at the center:
12:00 Main Feeder Line. Off this is a parallel siding for the 70810 facility.
02:00 Hornby Flexi-track siding for analogue locos. (This curves up to run parallel with the Main Feeder and siding tracks mentioned above.
07:00 Small track section for a BR86
08:00 72881 Roundhouse
09:00 Hornby Flexi-track section for "Rotten Row" containing our old 3000 & 3005
10:30 Back Shunt to the 120159 Back Shop (curves up to run parallel with the Main Feeder).
11:00 Track section that curves to run parallel with the Back Shop.

All in all a very interesting area that we are incorporating into our new layout, currently in the planning stage.

Hope this helps
Regards
Tony
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Offline steamfriend  
#17 Posted : 11 July 2007 14:02:22(UTC)
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Hi all,

I am also a favorite of the old Pola kit. I am currently constructing a 20 stand version, and am buidling on C-track . I lifted the floor of the shed to make the track level with the underside o the doors (not necessary if you are not as critical as I am [:I])

A corner view. Did not like the yellow painting (though it is conformal to the prototype in Freilassig !) and went for a white-ish versioin.

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What I like about the kit is the internal construction. Looks great, isn't it ?

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Here you see what I mean with the doors : I will need to make other doors, that have a flat bottom line (as in the prototype). I do not like the stepwise contour of the bottom to fit the rails.... I agree, it causes me extra trouble and work. Hope to give you an update when it is all finished.

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A nice atmosphere inside... still need to add men and tools...

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Bob
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Offline john black  
#18 Posted : 11 July 2007 15:59:28(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Voller
<br />I suppose it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to remove that piece of plastic
and make room for the C-track ...

biggrin ... And thanks for the nice pictures, friends Smile
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Offline Macfire  
#19 Posted : 01 August 2007 15:09:41(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Macfire
<br />We have just finished building the M 72881.
This roundhouse was chosen because we liked the "air of spaciousness" rather than the cramped appearance of the Faller kit, as well as the LED lighting system. Assembly was overall, very straight forward.
The red-brick finish is being aged and "grubbied-up" by my partner, using charcol and other artistic tricks.
We would love a 6 bay unit but space precludes this.
Ours is fed by the 7286 turntable and a "back shunt" off the that leads off to a Faller 120159 Back Shop.
We are also making up the Vollmer 5731 Signal Tower as well as the kits from the Marklin 78010 ”Railroad Maintenance Facility” Theme Extension Set.

I am at work so cannot show pics or diagrams but using the "clock code" with the turntable at the center:
12:00 Main Feeder Line. Off this is a parallel siding for the 70810 facility.
02:00 Hornby Flexi-track siding for analogue locos. (This curves up to run parallel with the Main Feeder and siding tracks mentioned above.
07:00 Small track section for a BR86
08:00 72881 Roundhouse
09:00 Hornby Flexi-track section for "Rotten Row" containing our old 3000 & 3005
10:30 Back Shunt to the 120159 Back Shop (curves up to run parallel with the Main Feeder).
11:00 Track section that curves to run parallel with the Back Shop.

All in all a very interesting area that we are incorporating into our new layout, currently in the planning stage.

Hope this helps
Regards
Tony


Finally pics of my Marklin roundhouse, Faller Backhouse and track layout are available on my photo site:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/marklin_mac/

Regards
Tony
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Offline sebastian  
#20 Posted : 01 August 2007 16:01:05(UTC)
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Very, very very nice Tony! Awesome rolling stock you have.
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Offline ulf999  
#21 Posted : 01 August 2007 16:14:31(UTC)
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Great looking roundhouse!!!
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Offline Macfire  
#22 Posted : 01 August 2007 17:29:49(UTC)
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Thanks guys.
Have just updated the site to marklin_mac/.
This is my 'training track" so that I can re-learn the art of Marklin and electrics.
Last layout I made was back in the late 70/early 80 era when we built a 100 sq ft (33 m2) M Track layout with my kids.
This one is not only for my, in their 30's, boys but my partner's "Little Ones" aged 9 and 11.
Next item to play with is Viessman signals to replace our old 70-series M units.
Unfortunately the planned layout in the garage has been canned due to the unclement winter conditions that exist despite having re-built and lined the garage. It is very unpleseant so we are planning a smaller layout for the lounge - about 280 x 90. A three tier with an L extension on the middle level..
As I say, only planning..
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Offline Macfire  
#23 Posted : 01 August 2007 17:58:33(UTC)
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My Marklin 72881.
Lovely and easy to make.
Locos are from left - right:
BR.81 001
BR.01 147
BR.41 046
BR.50 2362
BR.23 014. - In "Rotten Row" note the Hornby semi-flexible track.

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Showing the Faller Back Shop.
In front is a second BR.23 in beautiful condition and a candidate for conversion to mfx along with the 3390 BR.011 056-9 beside it.
Other locos are 03 184, steel blue 03 1022 hiding in the Maintenance Facility and the essential 3000 that usually lives in "Rotten Row" behind my old BR.23.
Note that the track the 3000 is on is also Hornby flexi. A great place to put analogue locos.
The Maintenance Facility is the Marklin 78010.

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A better view of the Back Shop and Maintenance Facility

Cheers
Tony
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#24 Posted : 19 January 2008 03:50:19(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Voller
The real beauty is that the space between tracks in the roundhouse is 7,5°, which matches the Märklin turntable.

a nice feature indeed, but don't forget that using each track means that the roundhouse has to be further away from the turntable - so the space used/needed has a larger radius. The outer edge (back wall) of my Märklin roundhouses are just 44cm from the edge of the turntable pit.
The shorter apron can be seen at http://layout.mixmox.com/1/Roundhouse-3

Something to consider when selecting a roundhouse.
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Offline Schienenbus  
#25 Posted : 19 January 2008 12:26:07(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Macfire
... when we built a 100 sq ft (33 m2) M Track layout with my kids.



Little correction: 100 sq ft = 9.3 sqm


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Offline pat  
#26 Posted : 19 January 2008 15:40:47(UTC)
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Just finished the Kibri roundhouse 59452,for me its a better fit then the marklin one which hung about 2 inches over,easiest model I have ever built
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Offline David Dewar  
#27 Posted : 19 January 2008 16:55:53(UTC)
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Looks very good. Kibri is ther easiest to build with Faller the most difficult. I have found that the automatic door opening and closing does not always work too well. I think Vollmer and Marklin are the same kits.
The surrounding area certainly finishes off the project very well and of course Dale is the expert on the interior.

David
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Offline Macfire  
#28 Posted : 22 January 2008 00:39:20(UTC)
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<br />I have found that the automatic door opening and closing does not always work too well. David


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