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Offline cjh26  
#1 Posted : 27 February 2007 03:22:30(UTC)
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I really like the Lange Heinrich set how well will double heading work since the locs are not tied together to a common decoder
Carl
Offline nevw  
#2 Posted : 27 February 2007 04:45:53(UTC)
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With the CS Create a Consist.

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NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
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Offline clapcott  
#3 Posted : 27 February 2007 09:12:55(UTC)
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Under MS control this would be a problem given the mfx decoder in the 44.
Either 6021 (native motorola using the same address) or CS (Consist) are options.

The Motorola solution restricts the number of functions that can be controlled however the CS has other stupid restrictions about the use of functions for the non-leading loco.

An IB offers better (less restrictive) control of the functions of both locos in consist mode and is able to control 9 of the 12 fuctions using the motorla 2nd address.

Also of general concern to anyone wanting to run a consist is the use of dead sections and/or braking sections. In these cases surgery to remove one pickup shoe is desireable if not required.

Peter
Offline john black  
#4 Posted : 27 February 2007 13:38:44(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by clapcott
<br />CS has other stupid restrictions about the use of functions for the non-leading loco

Didn't know this, Peter - please tell me more ...
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Offline cjh26  
#5 Posted : 27 February 2007 13:49:30(UTC)
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Thanks all. I am interested in the
CS Option of creating a consist.
Carl
Offline steventrain  
#6 Posted : 27 February 2007 15:37:08(UTC)
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CS can do double heading as well.

I have test double heading with 37841 and 37884 and run very wellSmile
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Offline cjh26  
#7 Posted : 27 February 2007 15:44:21(UTC)
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Thanks, I like the set wish they weathered the engines

carl
Carl
Offline pmgsr  
#8 Posted : 27 February 2007 16:01:08(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Also of general concern to anyone wanting to run a consist is the use of dead sections and/or breaking sections. In these cases surgery to remove one pickup shoe is desireable if not required.


Hi clapcott,

What do you mean by "breaking sections"? Are you refering to the problem of having two pickup shoes with circuit tracks / reeds or there is something i didn't fully understood? [:I]
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Offline steventrain  
#9 Posted : 28 February 2007 18:33:28(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by cjh26
<br />Thanks, I like the set wish they weathered the engines

carl


Yeah,So am I.
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Offline Charlie  
#10 Posted : 28 February 2007 18:45:43(UTC)
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Interesting...on the braking section, one locomotive would get the signal to brake, while the other had not entered the section yet, and would push full steam ahead?

Charlie
Offline clapcott  
#11 Posted : 28 February 2007 21:17:03(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by pmgsr
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Also of general concern to anyone wanting to run a consist is the use of dead sections and/or braking sections. In these cases surgery to remove one pickup shoe is desireable if not required.


Hi clapcott,

What do you mean by "breaking sections"? Are you refering to the problem of having two pickup shoes with circuit tracks / reeds or there is something i didn't fully understood? [:I]



Aside from the spelling mistake ...

there are 2 issues.

The principle is based on the behavior of most modern decoders to slow-to-stop when they detect a negative DC voltage on the track - The deceleration is set in the decoder.

So the first issue - just as with a dead section - is that one loco is driving and the other one is stopping. either way one will end up spinning its wheels or drawing excessive current.

Because the track voltage is different the sections must be isolated. This includes isolation from the loco shoe/pickup shorting the two sections as it passes over. the witches-hat can work here, however the marklin solution is to have a transition track that switches from one feed(main line) to the other (bracking) when the locos(s)/train is on it. This must be done with the contact or circuit track or reed switch etc. As above this transition track must be long enough for both (or all) locos in the consist so they switch at the same time and do not drive against each other. When the train leaves the stop section the transition track should not be 'reset' to the main line until the train (all pickups) is fully clear of it.

Peter
Offline clapcott  
#12 Posted : 28 February 2007 21:23:12(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by clapcott
<br />CS has other stupid restrictions about the use of functions for the non-leading loco

Didn't know this, Peter - please tell me more ...



Basically you cannot work the functions of the 2nd, 3rd .. locomotive/coach independantly of the 1st.
Peter
Offline Hemmerich  
#13 Posted : 01 March 2007 10:58:48(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by clapcott
Basically you cannot work the functions of the 2nd, 3rd .. locomotive/coach independantly of the 1st.

Sorry to correct you - but your statement isn't correct. I do this all the time (mostly in conjunction with my MS's); for example turning the lights of the middle loco in a MT off.

If I'm not completely wrong, some enhancements for MT operation will also be included in the next CS update.
Offline clapcott  
#14 Posted : 01 March 2007 20:22:46(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by clapcott
Basically you cannot work the functions of the 2nd, 3rd .. locomotive/coach independantly of the 1st.

Sorry to correct you - but your statement isn't correct. I do this all the time (mostly in conjunction with my MS's); for example turning the lights of the middle loco in a MT off.

If I'm not completely wrong, some enhancements for MT operation will also be included in the next CS update.


Yes I did say 'basically' and you identify one 'restrictive' work around.

In your case is this middle locomotive Motorola or mfx ? Do the lights turn on again when you contol the train using the consist object?
Peter
Offline john black  
#15 Posted : 01 March 2007 23:18:46(UTC)
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Thanks, Peter
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Offline Hemmerich  
#16 Posted : 02 March 2007 17:27:00(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by clapcott
Yes I did say 'basically' and you identify one 'restrictive' work around.

In your case is this middle locomotive Motorola or mfx ? Do the lights turn on again when you contol the train using the consist object?


Hi Peter,

you said "basically you cannot work the functions of the 2nd, 3rd loco independantly of the 1st" and my statement is "basically you can (also) do this".

Very simple:

1. place "loco1" to the left side controls of your CS.
2. call up a consist (or create a new one) on the right side controls.
3. add "loco1" to the consist list

-&gt; you can now run all trains in that consist list together AND you can still control speed, direction and functions of "loco1" with the left side controls of your CS, even while you drive at the same time with the consist by the right side controls.

And Yes, if you turn on/off the lights of your consist it will also turn on/off those of "loco1" (since it is part of the consist), but you can as well still turn those of "loco1" off/on or whatever else you like to do with that loco, independent from the consist.

And no - this functionality has nothing to do with mfx. It will work as described above with any loco/its decoder.


Offline Davy  
#17 Posted : 02 March 2007 17:49:41(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by clapcott
<br />Under MS control this would be a problem given the mfx decoder in the 44.
Either 6021 (native motorola using the same address) or CS (Consist) are options.

The Motorola solution restricts the number of functions that can be controlled however the CS has other stupid restrictions about the use of functions for the non-leading loco.

An IB offers better (less restrictive) control of the functions of both locos in consist mode and is able to control 9 of the 12 fuctions using the motorla 2nd address.

Also of general concern to anyone wanting to run a consist is the use of dead sections and/or braking sections. In these cases surgery to remove one pickup shoe is desireable if not required.




You make one mistake a mfx loc with MS has no number 44. So when the speed of both mfx locs is the same. You could drive both of them with a MS. Problem is starting en stopping of the two locs. But a slave MS can be a big help with this.

The address 44 is only for motorola controllers.
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Offline Hemmerich  
#18 Posted : 02 March 2007 19:00:00(UTC)
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As Davy stated, the MS situation with 2 "long Heinrich" or any other locos equipped with mfx decoders would be similar to the DB Cargo V100 double set (#37726).

The best and sensible solution besides using 2 MS's is to use/buy a CS and run them as consists.
Offline H0  
#19 Posted : 02 March 2007 19:52:32(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Davy
<br />You make one mistake a mfx loc with MS has no number 44. So when the speed of both mfx locs is the same. You could drive both of them with a MS. Problem is starting en stopping of the two locs. But a slave MS can be a big help with this.
The address 44 is only for motorola controllers.

If you have a booster between MS and track then you can use address 44 for both locos and control them with the MS (because the mfx feedback gets lost in the booster).
Regards
Tom
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