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Offline Hemmerich  
#1 Posted : 17 December 2006 18:38:50(UTC)
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Due to some questions in other threads, here a few (more) pics and bits of information about this newly delivered model.

It was a great surprise and also pleasure at this years spring toy fair in Nürnberg when Märklin unfolded another very attractive newly designed model - similar to the Schienenbus and BR01, which had surely as well pleased many Märklin Swiss train enthusiasts since the Fifties of last century - the successor of the famous RE/RES/RET800, later offered under #3014.

Here two pics of the exhibition model.

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Without any doubts I made sure that my local dealer ordered this great model immediately for me; just to make sure the as well surprising LS cars got the "right" loco to pull! biggrin

After a number of thirsting month waiting I could finally pick it up (as scheduled upfront by Märklin) lately.

Here now some impressions of the produced model (the two sides are different, properly matching this prototype road number):

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The front sides are very good detailed.

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The roof has very good and fine detailing too.

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The inside is very well and clean "packed". The C-Sine logic is contained on the interface pcb (the motor drives very smooth too) whereas the signal horn pcb is mounted on a separate holder clip underneath the interface pcb.

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The inside as well looks nicely "cleaned up". The machine room dummy and screens are mounted on both sides as this will be needed for some future planned versions containing windows on both sides (one of them is the TEE loco; probably showing up already next year). Same applies for the read rear light, which is already mounted, but non-functional at this model. The headlights are single mounted LED's (each two on a separate pcb and each 1 for the upper headlight on the interface pcb); their yellow light fits IMHO quite well, but if someone really wants to change them to white this should be rather easy.

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Finally a pic of the MS display for this model.

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The signal horn is authentic and nice too. With some "rework" of the catenary/track jumper part it is even possible to install a sound decoder and corresponding loudspeaker.

Personally I think this is another of Märklin's masterpieces and hope you will/can enjoy it too! Smile

Here's one more pic of one of the few 87:1 left "models" which is in operation today. I took the Picture in August during the 150 Year anniversary of the Olten train station.

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PS: I almost forgot - there are some quite interesting articles about this loco and model published newly in the MM, etc.
Offline steventrain  
#2 Posted : 17 December 2006 19:16:10(UTC)
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Excellent model,thanks for the review.Smile
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Offline bmcrae  
#3 Posted : 17 December 2006 20:30:45(UTC)
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Thanks Lutz! Great pics, of what should be my next lok! SmileSmile
Offline Guus  
#4 Posted : 17 December 2006 20:53:44(UTC)
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Thanks Lutz for the great report on the Re 4/4 I.

Hope to receive mine before Christmas.Can't wait [:p]

For what it's worth, the very well informed and critical forum members of a Swiss HAG forum are ,generally speaking, very pleased with this model too.So M has got a succesful model at hand here, I think.

Guus
Kind regards,
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Offline David Dewar  
#5 Posted : 17 December 2006 22:03:28(UTC)
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Thanks Lutz for a good report. I may be wrong but I think HAG are also releasing this as a new model first quarter of next year.

David
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Offline Bart  
#6 Posted : 17 December 2006 22:44:37(UTC)
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Thanks Lutz!
Great pics!.
I really like the model, but I'll probably wait till a next version with full mfx sound [:p]


Actually, there were rumours that the Nürnberg exhibition model was a HAG model,
with Mä couplers and slider mounted, and one more change...

Look at the dark grey tanks between the wheels in Lutz' exhibition model pictures...
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This is a HAG model, with the center piece properly mounted...

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Release the center screw, and turn the center piece 90 degrees... [:0]

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Ready to go:

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Even if it were not true, it's brilliant, isn't it? Cool
*Bart
Offline Bart  
#7 Posted : 17 December 2006 22:59:08(UTC)
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Now looking closer to Lutz' Nürnberg pics:
the exhibition model had derailed!

I guess we now know why:
as shown in the HAG pic, the bottom center piece is so close to one of the drive trains, that it can't move. Actually that's the reason that I didn't fix it and put the HAG on track with the rotated piece tonight.
And the center piece blocks the drive train because it's asymmetric, to accomodate the catenary switch in the HAG model, which is hidden between the brake shoe and the rectangular box.
(You'll see the reddish reflexion from the HAG box shine through the opening for the catenary switch in the bottom picure)
CoolCool
*Bart
Offline Alberto Pedrini  
#8 Posted : 17 December 2006 23:05:38(UTC)
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No scotch this time Smile, thank you for the report Lutz, I'm waiting for it [:p]
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Offline Hemmerich  
#9 Posted : 17 December 2006 23:26:26(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar
<br />Thanks Lutz for a good report. I may be wrong but I think HAG are also releasing this as a new model first quarter of next year.

David

Nope, David!

They will release a new model, the (only once produced) "Gasturbinenlok" Bm 4/4-II, which will utilize the Re4/4 chassis.

Here's a pic of that loco, as well pictured in Olten.

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Offline Hemmerich  
#10 Posted : 17 December 2006 23:37:36(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus
For what it's worth, the very well informed and critical forum members of a Swiss HAG forum are ,generally speaking, very pleased with this model too.


The most interesting result of that discussion was the discovery that the HAG model was produced for more than 30 years with an apparent incorrect window size - and nobody ever recognized the mistake or complained about it until this new Märklin model showed up! biggrinbiggrinbiggrin
(you can also see this by comparing the exhibition and final model).

That's one of the reasons why I too have great sympathy for HAG, their models and model enthusiasts! wink
Offline intruder  
#11 Posted : 17 December 2006 23:37:55(UTC)
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Thanks a lot, Lutz and Bart!

This loco is now certainly on my wishing list.
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Offline Bart  
#12 Posted : 18 December 2006 00:37:32(UTC)
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I'm just back from my first visit to the HAG forum. Thanks for the link!

Indeed, the likelyhood that the exhibition model was from HAG was extensively agreed among experts:
http://www.forum.hag-info.ch/vi...storder=asc&start=15

BTW: for the Mä catalog pic http://www.maerklin-info.de/pro...g/grossansicht/22330.jpg (yes, 22330 is the Trix model number - no need to take separate picsbiggrin)
and the 'Neuheiten' movie mms://streaming.lokshop....06/D/n2006_01_wm_128.wmv, they removed the center piece from the HAG model altogether, so that it could stay on track!

It must have been a very quick job for Nürnberg, as they put the loco name (the white rectangle) in the wrong place, in front of the door in stead of behind it.
*Bart
Offline Hemmerich  
#13 Posted : 18 December 2006 00:47:41(UTC)
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One small addition with regards to "new Märklin products".

Although I haven't recognized any report in this forum about it, yet I thought some of you might still be interested - and since I have installed it already in my Swiss LS cars it might fit here too.

Attached find two pics of the new LED interior lights #73400; one with the two pcb sides (which measures 105x10mm, max. thickness is 4mm due to the connectors) and the two accompanying pcb holders (which may or may not be used, depending upon the model). Installation is as usual for Märklin cars quite simple.

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The second one showing the illumination of it after mounting in the SBB LS dining car. Unfortunately the pic shows it much more "yellowish" than it appears in reality, likely due to the white interior of this car which definitely needs some repainting, desk lamps and surely a number of Preiserlein!

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Offline intruder  
#14 Posted : 18 December 2006 01:03:31(UTC)
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Thanks again, folks!
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Offline Bart  
#15 Posted : 18 December 2006 01:33:37(UTC)
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I *knew* I saw this somewhere last spring, and now found it back on the web.
Someone turned the exhibition model upside down in Nürnberg.
I think it was first published in the Messe-issue of Loki (my favourite journal: www.loki.ch).

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Note the position of the brake shoes! Mä will introduce this revolutionary Puko-Bremse in 2007! Cool
(if not ESU had owned the knowledge how to control them from the CS)biggrinbiggrin
*Bart
Offline Guus  
#16 Posted : 18 December 2006 10:45:24(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:originally posted by David:
I may be wrong but I think HAG are also releasing this as a new model first quarter of next year.

Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:originally posted by Lutz:
Nope, David!

They will release a new model, the (only once produced) "Gasturbinenlok" Bm 4/4-II, which will utilize the Re4/4 chassis.

I just wondered,do you perhaps mean the reissue of the Re 4/4 I Serie 2 model,David?
HAGs model nr 220~,221=

Like this one:http://www.railfaneurope.net/pi...__20-05-2006_Brig-05.jpg

Kind regards
Guus



Kind regards,
Guus
Offline Guus  
#17 Posted : 18 December 2006 11:04:40(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:originally posted by Lutz:
One small addition with regards to "new Märklin products"....the new LED interior lights #73400.

Haven't seen them yet.Thanks Lutz,looks good!

Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline mj  
#18 Posted : 18 December 2006 11:40:53(UTC)
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This loco is beutiful! What more can I say?
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Offline David Dewar  
#19 Posted : 18 December 2006 13:40:40(UTC)
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Hi Guss. I am not sure what the you HAG will be as my dealer told me a few months ago and I cant remember what he said (old age creeping in)
Where Swiss stuff is concerned I really like HAG ... well made and great detail but very expensive.

David
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Offline Guus  
#20 Posted : 18 December 2006 14:24:34(UTC)
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David,I've searched the website of a dealer in Zürich and found some extra information.

According to a message on that site,HAG will reissue all the Pendel locomotives too,however modernized with NEM couplers,cabin interior and 3-1 Swiss lighting.

Maybe that's also the information your dealer has.

http://www.roundhouse.ch/


Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline Hemmerich  
#21 Posted : 18 December 2006 16:40:26(UTC)
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Hi Guus, David,

that makes it clear again. These are really neither new models nor new constructions (like the Bm 4/4-II) but still the old ones, just a little bit "facelifted".

This info was also distributed by HAG via their newsletter around early October. The models were widely discussed thereafter in the HAG forum (especially the Bm 4/4 and SPS design/line, which is quite different from past HAG productions).

When you mentioned "new Re 4/4-I models", I was thinking about different ones than those oldies (also the R4C/ex MThB loco and TEE set).

Although they're still nice, they are not really comparable with the new Märklin model.

Offline steventrain  
#22 Posted : 18 December 2006 17:50:32(UTC)
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Hi,

What weight is the Re 4/4-I?
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Offline David Dewar  
#23 Posted : 18 December 2006 18:21:24(UTC)
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Guus, Lutz thanks for information. HAG do seem to issue the same models in different colours etc and use the same chassis for their coaches and wagons.
There stuff is good though and it would be nice if Marklin would make their coach chassis in metal as it improves the running without adding weights which take up interior room.
I will have athink about the Marklin model and may order in the new year.

David
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Offline Oscar  
#24 Posted : 18 December 2006 18:38:25(UTC)
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<font face="Verdana]Very nice model! I've never been this tempted to buy new Märklin models, but the recent BR110, NS1200 and now this wonderful Re4/4 are difficult to withstand!!</font id="Verdana]
Offline Hemmerich  
#25 Posted : 18 December 2006 18:39:48(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
What weight is the Re 4/4-I?


About 420g - i.e. too heavy for the new crane. biggrin

What's the purpose of your question?
Offline Guus  
#26 Posted : 18 December 2006 19:26:16(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Very nice model! I've never been this tempted to buy new Märklin models, but the recent BR110, NS1200 and now this wonderful Re4/4 are difficult to withstand!!

Couldn't agree more,Oscar.

When you look at Märklins latest models I cannot help but think they are very appealing even to the knowledgeable and discriminating collector.

Kind regards
Guus

Kind regards,
Guus
Offline Guus  
#27 Posted : 18 December 2006 19:46:44(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:originally posted by David:
There stuff is good though......

Yes,although some of their designs are very old they still have that special quality I appreciate so much.

I was fortunate enough to be able to visit the HAG factory late in november at their annual Christmas sales.
Apart from regular products there were quite some second choice products for sale at a reasonable price.
These so called second choice products with hardly descernable flaws are still very desirable if you ask me and only shows their very high production standard.

Sorry ladies and gentlemen for wandering off topis here,but I just had to share my enthusiasm for the other heavy metal manufacturer.

Kind rgards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline john black  
#28 Posted : 18 December 2006 22:16:14(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus
<br />Apart from regular products there were quite some second choice products for sale at a reasonable price.
These so called second choice products with hardly descernable flaws are still very desirable if you ask me and only shows their very high production standard

Sounds great, Guus - thanks for information [^]
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Offline Armando  
#29 Posted : 19 December 2006 04:19:33(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />One small addition with regards to "new Märklin products".

Although I haven't recognized any report in this forum about it, yet I thought some of you might still be interested - and since I have installed it already in my Swiss LS cars it might fit here too.

Attached find two pics of the new LED interior lights #73400; one with the two pcb sides (which measures 105x10mm, max. thickness is 4mm due to the connectors) and the two accompanying pcb holders (which may or may not be used, depending upon the model). Installation is as usual for Märklin cars quite simple.

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Hi Lutz,

Do you think it would be possible to install these lighting sets in that Märklin Henschel-Wegmann piece of junk (26610)? I remember reading in the new item catalog at the time that it was possible to mount interior lightning, but apparently this proved to be wrong.

Regards,

Armando
Best regards,
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Offline Guus  
#30 Posted : 21 December 2006 19:32:17(UTC)
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Hi all,

I picked up my Re 4/4I at my dealer today.

I agree with Lutz.In my opinion this is one magnificent piece of machinery.

If this loco is an example of the products from Märklin in the years to come then their future looks bright!
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:originally posted by Lutz:
....(one of them is the TEE loco; probably showing up already next year)....

A collectors item waiting to be born wink

As to the driving characteristics of the loco I can say Märklin clearly has improved her C-sine driver electronics.Or they just added a flywheel,which should do the trick in a easy natural way.
Where the HWZ BR61 may hesitate at times this loco goes as smoothly as it gets.

There's one thing though,Märklin should update their photo on the products list.
The photo doesn't represent the loco as it really is.(it's way better)

Season's greetings from a happy Märklinist,

Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline john black  
#31 Posted : 21 December 2006 19:59:38(UTC)
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Great to hear - congratulations, Guus Smile

While we are at it - objects in M's pics grew way too small in the last year (they changed the cook ?)
Poor job, tons of air around locos, now. And if you resize them they get blurred ... [xx(][xx(][xx(]
Some professional lessons in photography by Alberto were in order Cool

Earlier:
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Now:
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Offline Guus  
#32 Posted : 21 December 2006 21:08:08(UTC)
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Thank you John Smile

Yes, they should hire Alberto immediately.

Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline Mog  
#33 Posted : 23 December 2006 17:13:36(UTC)
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Hello all,

Last week I got this model too, and it drives very well on C-track, but on K-track points I experienced problems. The compleet loc lifts up about 1mm. and the wheels lose there grip so the loc won't move further, especially with a couple of wagons behind. This problem is caused by the less space between the pickup shoe and the bottom of the wheels. The pickup shoe is jammed between the K-track points and the loc itself.
Got anyone the same experience??

Regards,
Gerard
Offline Guus  
#34 Posted : 23 December 2006 17:19:49(UTC)
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Hi Gerard,

Welcome to the forum Smile
That's rather disappointing news.I haven't checked my loco on K-track yet,but now that I've read your report I will soon.

Have fun on the forum Smile

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline alonso231gery  
#35 Posted : 24 December 2006 00:51:46(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:I picked up my Re 4/4I at my dealer today.


Congratulations GuusSmileCool!!!
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Offline steventrain  
#36 Posted : 24 December 2006 11:01:28(UTC)
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Welcome to the forum Gerard.Smile
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Offline Mog  
#37 Posted : 24 December 2006 12:03:16(UTC)
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Thank you steventrain.

Kind regards,
Gerard
Offline Guus  
#38 Posted : 24 December 2006 12:53:44(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Congratulations GuusSmileCool!!!


Thank you Nikos.

@Gerard:I checked my Re 4/4I on a temporary K-track layout.

The loco appears to have no problems with turnouts M 2265,2266.

However it comes to a halt on M 2260(DKW,Engels wissel,double slip switch) when the pickupshoe is at the trailing end [xx(].
It seems the pickupshoe loses contact when driving straight over the turnout.
I seem to have read somewhere this is not an uncommon problem with this particular turnout and not specifically related to the loc.

Maybe you know more on this topic.

Anyway I'll have to do some other checks with different locos to see what's really happening.

I'll keep you posted!

Kind regards
Guus

P.S.:Lutz do you have any idea on this?
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline Davy  
#39 Posted : 24 December 2006 17:11:57(UTC)
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I have asked this question also on stummi's modeltrain forum.
M-track with a CS2.
Offline Mog  
#40 Posted : 28 December 2006 02:05:46(UTC)
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Hello all,

At the Stummi's forum, chapter "Spur H0" is somebody from Austria with the same problem. This topic is called "Re 4/4-I bleibt auf weichen hängen". Could be interesting. My local dealer send my model back to Märklin, because it is pretty clear that the pickup-shoe and the K-rail points is the problem, and he thought that Märklin must find a solution.
Now I have to wait....

Regards,
Gerard
Offline Mog  
#41 Posted : 03 February 2007 00:02:19(UTC)
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Hello all,

Just to let you know:

This evening I got my Re 4/4 I back. During my driving test at home, what I expected happened: THE PROBLEM IS STILL THERE!!. After checking my model I found out, that there was no repair at all! I think that Märklin put it on a shelf for 7 weeks, and sent it back. At this moment I don't know what to do. My dealer goes to Nürnberg the coming days. When he is back he will look for a solution. I'm very disappointed....

King regards,
Gerard
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#42 Posted : 03 February 2007 01:42:09(UTC)
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That's unhappy news.
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Offline john black  
#43 Posted : 03 February 2007 01:51:21(UTC)
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Sorry for your trouble, Gerard - hope they'll get this one solved, anyway.
And thanks for your information. Seems we've to extend our pre-buy tests on new models ... [:I]
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Offline David Dewar  
#44 Posted : 03 February 2007 13:39:37(UTC)
David Dewar

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Hi Gerard. This is very disappointing and I know just how you feel. My view is return the model to your dealer for a full refund or a new model which works as it should. If we all did this future models would improve and confidence in the product would return. Dealers must take more responsibilty to ensure they have happy customers by letting Marklin know of the problems.
I am due for a new Loco soon and it will be a HAG until I can be sure that the Marklins on my wish list are problem free.
Best of luck with your model.

David
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
Offline steventrain  
#45 Posted : 03 February 2007 13:44:06(UTC)
steventrain

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Sorry to hear about your trouble,Gerard.

Thats same as 39572 as well.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
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#46 Posted : 04 February 2007 03:21:05(UTC)
bmcrae

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar
<br />Hi Gerard. This is very disappointing and I know just how you feel. My view is return the model to your dealer for a full refund or a new model which works as it should. If we all did this future models would improve and confidence in the product would return. Dealers must take more responsibilty to ensure they have happy customers by letting Marklin know of the problems.
I am due for a new Loco soon and it will be a HAG until I can be sure that the Marklins on my wish list are problem free.
Best of luck with your model.

David


HAG. Not a bad idea David. I might just have to hold off on the SBB Re 4/4-I for now and go the same route. Not sure where I'm going to get it as my closest dealer does not handle any HAG products. I've browsed the HAG website before and just wound up drooling the rest of the evening.... [:p][:p]
Offline Guus  
#47 Posted : 04 February 2007 09:23:38(UTC)
Guus

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Gerard like I already mentioned in an e-mail to you, very disappointing news.
Even more so because I think this is a very nice model of the Re 4/4I.

You mentioned earlier it had no problems running on C-track.
I can confirm this,no problems with C-track here with my copy of the model.

It makes you wonder whether M designed this loc without checking it on K-track.

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline Guus  
#48 Posted : 04 February 2007 10:05:09(UTC)
Guus

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Hi Brian,

Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: I've browsed the HAG website before and just wound up drooling the rest of the evening.... [:p][:p]

Aren't they wonderful[:p]
The HAG virus is just as contagious as the Märklin variant,if you ask me[:0]winkbiggrinbiggrin

Considering the fact that many of the HAG designs are comparatively old they do a splendid job.
The motor and drivegear setup reminds me of former Märklin models with their three pole LFCM engine.The big difference being that HAG's have rollerbearings and are very well made.
I've got a few AC models and I am really enthusiastic about them.No contact problems whatsoever and the engine runs very smooth,almost as good as the more modern Faulhabers and C-sines.

HAG locos are a bit difficult to obtain though,partly caused by their policy of making limited amounts of their models.
Another thing is that there are still many analog AC models around.From my experience you can easily get confused and may end up buying a non digital variant!

Hope I didn't bore you with all this information.Got a bit carried away by my enthusiasm[:I].

Kind regards
Guus

Kind regards,
Guus
Offline David Dewar  
#49 Posted : 04 February 2007 17:26:57(UTC)
David Dewar

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Brian. If you fancy HAG and dont mind paying for it there is a shop in Switzerland close to the HAG factory...Zuba-Tech, and they do mail,order. Their site lists what they have in stock but it is better to email them first to confirm.
As Guus says make sure you are buying the correct model. I buy from a Dealer in England who is very good but does not hold stocks and it can take along time to get a model HAG does not have in stock at their factory. Their coaches are also very good.

David
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
Offline Mog  
#50 Posted : 04 February 2007 21:50:50(UTC)
Mog


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Hello all,

Many thanks for all the respons.

Next Wednesday I'll go back to my dealer, and see what he can do about this. Unfortunately I ordered 2 more Märklin models last week, belonging to the new items for this year 2007. I think, these will be the last ones of Märklin I'll buy. The next model will be a HAG for sure!
This experience with the (bad)service of Märklin was not the only one I got the last 3 or 4 years......

Kind regards,
Gerard
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