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drstapes		#1 Posted : 10 June 2006 21:44:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/08/2004(UTC) Posts: 764 Location: Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk		Hi All, I was wandering around my local train shop which happens to be a marklin importer. Most beautiful marklin engines but at mouthwateringly high prices. Also whilst intricate in detail they looked and felt incredibly fragile. Where are the old metal engines and rolling stock from the past that could take a few unscheduled trips to the floor or survive cat attack! I appreciate that it is only big boys that can afford these trains but what about the next generation? I hope the new owners of Marklin will introduce a more basic but comprenhensive range of models. Untill then it is second hand for me. regards
		Regards Geoff (UK) marklin HO from the 50's and 60's
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David Dewar		#2 Posted : 10 June 2006 22:47:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,458 Location: Scotland		Hi Geoff. If you were wandering round Gaugemaster (Engine Shed) then the prices are ridiculous. You will save up to 50% buying in Germany. David
		Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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steventrain		#3 Posted : 10 June 2006 23:19:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,692 Location: United Kingdom		I agreed with David.The gaugemaster price very high[xx(].
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MärCo		#4 Posted : 11 June 2006 00:09:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,159 Location: The Netherlands		Well, there is a change of policy at Märklin. If you look at the new catalogue from 2006, you will notice that it begins with really affordable items. They just should return the Primex or Hobby brand. See also for Primex —> http://www.frankenbahn.de/primex/primexframeE.htm
		Absolutly AFB-NOHAB fan ;-)
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drstapes		#5 Posted : 11 June 2006 02:05:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/08/2004(UTC) Posts: 764 Location: Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk		Thanks that a great site for Primex. Another moan as far as I am concerned but I am sure you purists won't agree. That is the (scale) length of marklin express coaches at 10" plus. I think they look silly on small layouts when 2 coaches is about all the length of a train that you can run. I prefer the old 346 type coaches at 91/2" which look much better on small layouts. regards
		Regards Geoff (UK) marklin HO from the 50's and 60's
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steventrain		#6 Posted : 11 June 2006 12:44:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,692 Location: United Kingdom		Very good site.
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SRB		#7 Posted : 12 June 2006 14:58:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 162 Location: ,		Maybe the Hobby program will live up again. Really nice link.
		IB; C-track; DSB and SBB ep. III-V
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RayF		#8 Posted : 12 June 2006 15:16:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Hey Geoff, I agree with you 100%. The future of any hobby is in attracting children, and you can't let children play with a lot of the models currently on offer. On the other hand Marklin does seem to be going the right way with the current cheaper range, but there is not much variety, other than numerous repaints of the same two locos. Out of curiosity, which is your local Marklin shop? Is it Gaugemaster as David and Steven assume? Ray
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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drstapes		#9 Posted : 14 June 2006 01:50:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/08/2004(UTC) Posts: 764 Location: Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk		Hi Ray, Yes I live about 20 minutes drive from gaugemaster regards
		Regards Geoff (UK) marklin HO from the 50's and 60's
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john black		#10 Posted : 08 July 2006 03:56:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Hi Geoff, great idea of yours - PRIMEX was (and still is) one nice opportunity for low budget players / collectors. Most of their locos/cars are of excellent quality though some are lacking the detailing of their MARKLIN siblings ... But I don't mind - since they are so nice (great value, too) I got a big soft spot in my heart for them Just as Märco said: Read the PRIMEX Story: www.frankenbahn.de/primex/primexframe.htm Here are my PRIMEX buys - found them in condition brand new (factory sealed box) for little money: BR81 #P3196 E132 #P3192 E144 #P3008 E141 #P3033 John
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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steventrain		#11 Posted : 08 July 2006 11:39:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,692 Location: United Kingdom		Very nice collector Primex.
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Davy		#12 Posted : 09 July 2006 00:10:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas <br />Hey Geoff, I agree with you 100%. The future of any hobby is in attracting children, and you can't let children play with a lot of the models currently on offer. On the other hand Marklin does seem to be going the right way with the current cheaper range, but there is not much variety, other than numerous repaints of the same two locos. Out of curiosity, which is your local Marklin shop? Is it Gaugemaster as David and Steven assume? Ray There a new br81 and new version of the KLVM little steamengine. And the new V80 and another dieseltrain and of course the good old 3000 (30000). And there is more to come.
		M-track with a CS2.
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Zora la rousse		#13 Posted : 09 July 2006 00:40:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/10/2005(UTC) Posts: 856 Location: ,		@ Davy, Not only children are important for the hobby. But also their parents. And how many parents still have time left over for their children? I think it is a problem in this modern society that children aren't learn to play anymore. An other group that Märklin is forgetting, are the people with not so much pocket money (count me in). I really depend on the affordable items offered by Märklin. And although it is not always exact to scale I have really much pleasure with this items. I hope that Märklin will return the Hobby or Primex brand, it was really a good alternative. If I might do a few suggestions, is it possible to make the tipper car in another colour than red? Can the old cars return in the Hobby brand? Perhaps a few other variations on the frame of the 44## series.
		You are never too late to become a Märklin fan.
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Davy		#14 Posted : 09 July 2006 14:15:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		Primex will not return. The people who sold it have make their own product kaput. But marklin will make more hobbylocs and may be some old models will make a comeback.
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steventrain		#15 Posted : 10 July 2006 18:40:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,692 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Davy <br />Primex will not return. Oh,thats shame.[xx(]
		Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
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steventrain		#16 Posted : 19 July 2006 19:22:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,692 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br /> The PRIMEX Story: www.frankenbahn.de/primex/primexframe.htm John Very good link.
		Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
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john black		#17 Posted : 21 July 2006 23:23:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Yeah - most impressive what huge amount of data this guy has collected
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john black		#18 Posted : 21 November 2006 14:08:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Got this cute #3018 railbus & trailer from 1989, yesterday - €60, only. Heavy metal through and trough, still brand new in it's factory-sealed box - nice lil' gem [:p][:p][:p]
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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jango		#19 Posted : 21 November 2006 14:51:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/10/2005(UTC) Posts: 79 Location: ,		Thats nice John! KSVP? - Kleine Scheinenbus Von Primex? Kev
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kgsjoqvist		#20 Posted : 21 November 2006 15:43:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 754 Location: Täby		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Davy <br />Primex will not return. The people who sold it have make their own product kaput. But marklin will make more hobbylocs and may be some old models will make a comeback. I think you get far more value for money with the new "Hobby-series" than you did with Primex. Simplified but functional models attracts more users and will be good for future sales. No need to introduce a separate brand, since all locos and cars should be able to use together anyway. Even an experienced user may want to buy a cheaper loco for simple tasks on the layout or for experimenting...
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john black		#21 Posted : 21 November 2006 16:25:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jango <br />Thats nice John! KSVP? - Kleine Scheinenbus Von Primex? Thanks, Kevin. And you're right on the money ... The little one should become a nice addition to my "HANS-MARTIN-SAUER MOUNTAIN RAMP". After having built some additional parking space (again [xx(]). This time inside that circle ... [:p]
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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john black		#22 Posted : 21 November 2006 16:46:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kgsjoqvist <br />I think you get far more value for money with the new "Hobby-series" than you did with Primex I'm sorry to say, Karl Gunnar - but I'm exactly on the contrary I do own and have tested both lines (the new plastic one for my Grandson). And when it comes to durability & quality of materials old PRIMEX beats the <u>new</u> HOBBY line 40 miles by sunday [^][^][^]
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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john black		#23 Posted : 21 November 2006 17:24:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kgsjoqvist <br />user may want to buy a cheaper loco for simple tasks on the layout or for experimenting Great - that's what I, too, love to do. But I do prefer simple old M or P locos for such [:p] BTW, in its last years PRIMEX sold regular production MARKLIN locos (no downgrading) ...
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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robinpk		#24 Posted : 21 November 2006 18:10:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 42 Location: Los Llanos de Aridane, S/C de Tenerife (La Palma)		Hey guys and ladies! I see that Primex is or used to be a part of Marklin, but can it be used on a marklin track, the rails look the same Robin
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Philip		#25 Posted : 21 November 2006 19:06:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 267 Location: , Denmark		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by robinpk <br />Hey guys and ladies! I see that Primex is or used to be a part of Marklin, but can it be used on a marklin track, the rails look the same Robin Hey Robin. Yes, the Primex line was the discount program of the Märklin company and can be runed on märklin with out any problems. how ever most of the line was analog, so if you run digitaly then you have to update the models Philip
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RayF		#26 Posted : 21 November 2006 19:07:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		They are totally interchangeable. Ray
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Hemmerich		#27 Posted : 22 November 2006 17:05:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jango <br />Thats nice John! KSVP? - Kleine Scheinenbus Von Primex? That's what it indeed means! Yes, it's a really nice set - my congratulations too, John. The only thing missing now to make this set complete is the "Beiwagen", #4022. About "value for money" of older vs. current Hobby models - IMHO it still depends unchanged upon the definition of value. My "value proposition" indicates that many of my both old and new, Märklin and PRIMEX models are still in the right place (admitted, this does not match for models like the Thomas or Hogwarts sets - but we all know the source of those models ). My "best" PRIMEX model for sure is the BR23, #3191. It was only issued in 1985 and, although not directly listed in the catalog there are several pages showing the model on a layout (at least in my version). PRIMEX was very correct at its time; now it would probably be a little bit difficult (also expensive) for Märklin to "recall" exact rebuilds of those models.
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john black		#28 Posted : 22 November 2006 21:25:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Very nice catalog picture - many thanks, Lutz And congratulations, your #3191 is P's most beautiful 23 ... [:p] BTW, I can only agree with your last sentence, too. That was then, and this is now. However, reviving PRIMEX (with certain models from still existing molds) would present the company with their own "Models of Yesteryear" or "Heritage Line", immediately. Not much of cash involved - but great for the image of the world's top maker of MRRs
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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Zora la rousse		#29 Posted : 22 November 2006 22:34:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/10/2005(UTC) Posts: 856 Location: ,		I think rebuilding the old models doesn't make sence, but that was not the intention of Primex. Primex was build to make model trains affordable and easy accesible. And I would much appreciate if it came back.
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intruder		#30 Posted : 22 November 2006 23:25:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Hi all I red somewhere that Märklin would launch a Primex model from time to time, to keep the brand name "alive". 30031 in 1996, 33005 in 2000, what's next? If there will be any next? According to the same source (I cannot remember where and when I saw it), Primex was intended to be a cheap alternative to be sold e.g. in supermarkets and normal toy shops, while Märklin should be sold in specialized hobby/MMR shops.
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john black		#31 Posted : 23 November 2006 02:01:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Interesting question, Svein - perhaps Lutz knows the answer ...
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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Weltenbummler		#32 Posted : 23 November 2006 16:21:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 459 Location: Berlin (D)		Hi all, lots of second hand Primex seems to appear on auctions and fairs around Berlin at the moment. Most of it originaly packed and sealed by the factory. Prices are not too bad for some items. Thinking about getting some at the next fair if still available.
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Markus Schild		#33 Posted : 23 November 2006 22:38:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by intruder <br />Hi all I red somewhere that Märklin would launch a Primex model from time to time, to keep the brand name "alive". 30031 in 1996, 33005 in 2000, what's next? If there will be any next? .... Hi, you are right. But PRIMEX was used the last time last year when MÄRKLIN sold some remaining rails in their SCREEN-SHOP. They used the word "PRIMEX" and also the PRIMEX-label. So last time will be 2010 to renew the brand. Markus
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Hemmerich		#34 Posted : 24 November 2006 01:36:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br />Interesting question, Svein - perhaps Lutz knows the answer ... As Martin mentioned already, the brand name PRIMEX was still/again used in conjunction with the ScreenShop offer CY0345 in August 2004. If desired I can post the page, but here's already the corresponding description (in German): Angebot 4 CY0345 Metall-Gleis - Abschied mit Variationen - Märklin H0 / Primex H0 Nach dem Produktionsende der traditionellen Metall-Gleise sind nur noch wenige Elemente in kleinen Stückzahlen am Lager. Die – wenn auch begrenzte – Verfügbarkeit ist vielen interessierten Besitzern von M-Gleis-Anlagen nicht bekannt, die intensiv auf der Suche nach dem eisernen Gleismaterial sind. Hier zeigen wir eine der letzten Gelegenheiten, Metall-Gleise preisgünstig zu erwerben. Im Primex-Sortiment gab es Metall-Gleise mit identischer Geometrie, die sich nur in der grauen Farbe des Schotters unterscheiden – das etwas andere Metall-Gleis. Gleis-Sortiment aus 23 Teilen: 6 gebogene Gleise R 360 mm, 30 °(Primex grau – entspricht 5100) 6 gebogene Gleise R 437,5 mm, 30° (Primex grau – entspricht 5200) 1 Kreuzung 193 mm / 30° (5114) 2 gerade Gleise 180 mm (5111 mit Anschluss - entspricht 5106) 4 Weichen rechts, 180 mm, 24,3° (5223 bzw. 5221 rechts) 4 Ausgleichsstücke 5,7° (5205 - ergänzt die Weiche auf 30°) Price was 59€.
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john black		#35 Posted : 24 November 2006 02:43:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Thanks, Lutz. Are there any intents for releasing another loco ?
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