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alonso231gery		#1 Posted : 22 February 2006 19:43:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		can anyone give some details about the HAG company? About their locomotives Do they have 3-rail locos? Digital? 5-pole? Does anyone have one?
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5HorizonsRR		#2 Posted : 22 February 2006 20:06:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,996 Location: CA, USA		Hi Alonso, I have about 10 HAG locomotives and several Cars. They are available in DC, AC, AC digital, and now AC digital with sound. The new ones come standard with High Efficiency Ball Bearing motors and all their locomotives are completely metal (except windows, tiny details etc...) They are expensive both worth the extra money. (especially if you focus your collection on Swiss stuff like me)
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alonso231gery		#3 Posted : 22 February 2006 23:05:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		I can't find a dealer that sells them in Europe.
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alonso231gery		#4 Posted : 22 February 2006 23:10:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		I am sure that this company only sells quality, but i wonder why these locos r more expensive than the M ones,since M raises the prices because of her excellent name too.
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mrmarklin		#5 Posted : 23 February 2006 00:00:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 944 Location: Burney, CA		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery <br />I am sure that this company only sells quality, but i wonder why these locos r more expensive than the M ones,since M raises the prices because of her excellent name too. HAG's loks are more expensive (1)because there is excellent quality, sometimes better than Marklin's. (2) They are made in Switzerland where labor costs more and (3) There are shorter production runs from this specialty maker. I have a few of the loks and cars, and the quality is excellent. I particularly like the freight cars that I have, the chassis are all metal. Most German hobby shops of any size carry the loks etc., but the best selection is probably Schweickhardt in Waiblingen (ETS). Last time I was there he had more loks and rolling stock than I saw in most stores in Switzerland!!
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Gustavo Villa		#6 Posted : 23 February 2006 01:59:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/07/2005(UTC) Posts: 260 Location: Viña del Mar, Chile		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery <br />I am sure that this company only sells quality, but i wonder why these locos r more expensive than the M ones,since M raises the prices because of her excellent name too. They are more expensive because almost everything is metal, even the bogies, and also the details and molds are better than marklin, just compare Re460 and you will see a very good fine details in the shell that is much more close to reality than the marklin model. Even the wheels are more accurate.
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nevw		#7 Posted : 23 February 2006 09:54:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery <br />I can't find a dealer that sells them in Europe. http://www.berchersternlicht.ch They are in Basel, Give Good Service, and appear to have a good Stock. Nev
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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Guus		#8 Posted : 23 February 2006 13:32:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Thanks for the link Neville. Kind regards Guus
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Gustavo Villa		#9 Posted : 23 February 2006 13:34:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/07/2005(UTC) Posts: 260 Location: Viña del Mar, Chile		Another dealer: www.suter-meggen.ch Also in lokshop.
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steventrain		#10 Posted : 23 February 2006 18:34:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw <br /> http://www.berchersternlicht.ch They are in Basel, Give Good Service, and appear to have a good Stock. Nev Good site but not access,it message said 'You are trying to access to a restricted area.We are Sorry but this section of our site is for Administrators Only' Not so good service.[xx(]
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Rocca		#11 Posted : 23 February 2006 20:27:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 632		Hi Alonso, You can try also with this Web-shop: http://www.lokshop.de/ It's really very good. best regards Mit freundlichen Grüßen Stefano
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Munich 1860		#12 Posted : 23 February 2006 21:34:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,062 Location: Neu-Ulm, Bavaria		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain <br />Good site but not access,it message said 'You are trying to access to a restricted area.We are Sorry but this section of our site is for Administrators Only' Not so good service.[xx(] No Steven, it works perfect for me !!! Maybe something wrong with your browser settimgs ?? Regards, Hans
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steventrain		#13 Posted : 23 February 2006 21:38:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		Hi hans, It doing fine on front page but didnt get accress with online shop 'items in stop' and 'new items'.
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Munich 1860		#14 Posted : 23 February 2006 21:46:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,062 Location: Neu-Ulm, Bavaria		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain <br />Hi hans, It doing fine on front page but didnt get accress with online shop 'items in stop' and 'new items'. Funny, now that you're saying it ..... But I tried like five or six times, then got in again, as before !!! Maybe there are too many visitors right now ??? Keep trying, you'll get in sometime !!! Hans
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5HorizonsRR		#15 Posted : 23 February 2006 23:04:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,996 Location: CA, USA		GOOD NEWS! I have been in email contact with AJC Kids in Texas lately and it appears they will be carrying HAG in the very near future!!! The prices I have heard so far are excellent considering they are a US dealer and they plan on keeping a decent amount of items IN STOCK as opposed to the typical "HAG by special order only" guys. For now they have already posted their new items prces on their site, the rest to follow!
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rschaffr		#16 Posted : 23 February 2006 23:09:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,193 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		They do seem to be good prices. I may try a Hag in the near future. I was waiting until I built my Swiss extension on my layout, but what the heck, why not now?
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David Dewar		#17 Posted : 24 February 2006 00:16:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,467 Location: Scotland		Take care buying HAG in Switzerland. am having major problems with a firm called Zuba Tech and it looks like I will not be able to have it resolved. David
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nevw		#18 Posted : 24 February 2006 00:25:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		http://www.berchersternlicht.ch They are in Basel, Give Good Service, and appear to have a good Stock. Nev Good site but not access,it message said 'You are trying to access to a restricted area.We are Sorry but this section of our site is for Administrators Only' Not so good service.[xx(] I just tried it and all Ok. Click on the welcone >> and then Items in Stock the HAG. Nev[B)]
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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alonso231gery		#19 Posted : 24 February 2006 00:36:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		The problem with lokshop for me is that they do not have a picture,and that i do not know if what they have is AC or DC? In their catalogue they have very few items.
		An outsider. I'm looking for the owner of that horse. He's tall, blonde, he smokes a cigar, and he's a pig!
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5HorizonsRR		#20 Posted : 24 February 2006 06:39:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,996 Location: CA, USA		Speaking of HAG, I came home tonight to a package from Switzerland with my latest purchases! I thought I'd snap a few photos. I expected a lot from this railbus and they more than delivered. The thing ways a ton, has digital interior lights, precision runner and detail beyond what can be expected for a cast model. As for the passenger car, fantastic as well. I threw in a few pix, the underside phoho shows the die cast underframe.
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Gustavo Villa		#21 Posted : 24 February 2006 10:48:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/07/2005(UTC) Posts: 260 Location: Viña del Mar, Chile		One very strong point in hag models is the transparency of the glazing or window imitation, probably is one of the best in the industry, when you see trough them it is easy to appreciate every single detail inside the model. Also the weight and painting quality of the passenger wagons is amazing. Beautiful model 5.
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Guus		#22 Posted : 24 February 2006 10:58:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Oh,I really like them ,those HAG locos and waggons. Congratulations John I'm only one mouseclick away from buying a Re 6/6 I guess. David,I'm very sorry to hear you are having problems with your dealer in Switzerland. I hope you'll resolve your problem with them very soon. Kind regards Guus
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alonso231gery		#23 Posted : 24 February 2006 14:20:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		Does anyone know the codes for a RE6/6 or a SBB 460, the diffrence between simple digital and sound digital is also the five pole motor?
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Gustavo Villa		#24 Posted : 24 February 2006 15:00:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/07/2005(UTC) Posts: 260 Location: Viña del Mar, Chile		As far as I know, there is not 5 pole motor in any Hag locomotives (Unless there is something new for the 2006), actually they don’t need it, the ball bearing motor is so good and smooth than 5 pole update is not necessary. I have 6 of the new line locomotives from Hag and non of them have 5 pole motor.
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steventrain		#25 Posted : 24 February 2006 21:14:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		Very nice loco and passenger car.I wish i buy one Hag in the near future.
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Hemmerich		#26 Posted : 25 February 2006 22:00:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery <br />I can't find a dealer that sells them in Europe. The famous mfx inventors ESU is the "General Distributor" for Germany since beginning of this year. If you look carefully at several well nown internet dealers, you'll also find HAG in their lists. Especially for ETS (Schweickhardt) I personally know that they have most of the HAG models even in their shop displays. No doubt, the largest variety is found at Swiss dealers. I hope you're all aware that the display sample of the new Märklin Re 4/4-I (39420) was based upon the corresponding HAG model (at least 80% of it). Regards Lutz
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alonso231gery		#27 Posted : 25 February 2006 22:44:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		Sth confuses me about HAG models, i haven't found yet a list with the AC models and their respective images.
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usbeauty		#28 Posted : 26 February 2006 06:35:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2003(UTC) Posts: 214 Location: San Francisco Bay area, California		Try this link, from this shop in New York: http://tee-usa.com/hag-catalog.html Bruce
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Guus		#29 Posted : 26 February 2006 12:08:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Hi Nikos, Or try this one ,straight from the horses mouth :http://www.hag.ch/ "Produkte";"Locomotiven";"Wechselstrom" Kind regards Guus
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Alberto Pedrini		#30 Posted : 26 February 2006 13:09:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,448 Location: Italy		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich I hope you're all aware that the display sample of the new Märklin Re 4/4-I (39420) was based upon the corresponding HAG model (at least 80% of it). I agree Hard to find the Märklin Re4/4 TEE? (about 500 euro on ebay) This is the solution
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Guus		#31 Posted : 26 February 2006 17:51:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Thanks once again for the very nice picture Alberto . Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:originally posted by Lutz: I hope you're all aware that the display sample of the new Märklin Re 4/4-I (39420) was based upon the corresponding HAG model (at least 80% of it). Let's hope the production model is as nicely detailed as the one on your picture [:p] Kind regards Guus
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alonso231gery		#32 Posted : 26 February 2006 18:04:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		Thank u Guus Can anyone tell me a suggested price for one SBB 460? Just to see the scale of the cost,i do not care about sounds,will it be easy that loco to run with my cs?
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Guus		#33 Posted : 26 February 2006 18:37:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Hi Nikos, Here's a Swiss dealer I found some time ago:http://www.suter-meggen.ch/HO%20Netto/HAG/index.htm Also this German dealer has some prices on his website:http://www.modelleisenbahn.com/shop/index.php I have no experience in hooking up such a loco on Märklin digital systems though. Hope this helps Kind regards Guus
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alonso231gery		#34 Posted : 26 February 2006 19:18:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		The prices r with VAT?
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digilox1		#35 Posted : 26 February 2006 20:03:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/05/2003(UTC) Posts: 719 Location: ,		To those who might be interested in the HAG Re4/4 I, that`s the two models in the foreground of Alberto`s pic, these are not exactly built to scale, they`re somewhat bigger. In HAG terminology 1/87 and the somewhat bigger models are discerned as "New" vs. "Old" generation. Regards, Manfred
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alonso231gery		#36 Posted : 26 February 2006 20:46:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		I have now my eyes fixed on the Nr. 030ds set or the Nr. 030d i wonder how much that worth,i am afraid that it will cost much... Any comments about that set?
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David Dewar		#37 Posted : 26 February 2006 21:38:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,467 Location: Scotland		Re HAG this is one maker where I think it is important to find a good dealer and not go just for price. I ordered an ae 6/6 from Zuba Tech in Switzerland requesting an A/C model and saying I used Marklin systems. I did receive an A/C model but it was not digital and despite a week of trying to contact Zuba Tech they have not replied. I do not want to return the Loco as I have that feeling I will not see a replacement. If anyone out there wants a HAG ae 6/6 a/c analogue going cheap then do send me an email and i will give details. When ordering using HAG numbers make sure you add the letter 'd ' after the HAG number which may not be quoted in the catalogue or use a dealer that you can trust. This is an expensive lesson for me but will not put me off buying HAG as I also have a 465 BLS which is great. David
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alonso231gery		#38 Posted : 27 February 2006 04:59:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		When u want an AC digital hag model say XXXd(simple digital) or XXXds(digital with sounds)?
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Purellum		#39 Posted : 27 February 2006 05:09:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,529 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Hello alonso231gery. I saw you taking about someone being a ghost. How about you? I saw your answer on the quiz page 2 hours ago, and now it's gone! Per.
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alonso231gery		#40 Posted : 28 February 2006 17:45:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		What about spare parts of these locos? They use the same with M?
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5HorizonsRR		#41 Posted : 28 February 2006 19:05:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,996 Location: CA, USA		One nice thing about HAG is they carry spare parts for everything and have an entire list/brochure dedicated to spare parts (Available from the dealer) I believe you can even call HAG up and order them direct yourself if you can speak German!
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alonso231gery		#42 Posted : 28 February 2006 19:13:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		I can't speak German and here in Greece noone is willing to have HAG items.
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steventrain		#43 Posted : 28 February 2006 19:14:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus <br />Hi Nikos, Or try this one ,straight from the horses mouth :http://www.hag.ch/ "Produkte";"Locomotiven";"Wechselstrom" Kind regards Guus Very good site but no English.
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alonso231gery		#44 Posted : 28 February 2006 19:41:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		Wechselstrom means? The other word means what(DC?)? That is for the M version? What i want is an AC digital I can see an SBB 460 that costs 288 euros( Re 460 Jubilok II) and another one that costs 390(Re 460 ADtranz mit SBB Jubiläums-Signet) ,what is the difference?
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alonso231gery		#45 Posted : 28 February 2006 19:47:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		What i want to avoid is getting a DC loco. Does anyone know what the symbols mean? Do they have an email?
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5HorizonsRR		#46 Posted : 28 February 2006 19:56:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,996 Location: CA, USA		Wechselstrom means AC 3 rail for marklin. You want a locomotive that is Wechselstrom Digital. I would highly recomend ordering from an English speaking dealer such as www.modelleisenbahn.com or www.bahnorama.ch or www.eurolokshop.com if you a re really worried about getting the wrong locomotive due to translation trouble
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alonso231gery		#47 Posted : 28 February 2006 20:20:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		I prefer kind European dealers with patience that always respond to e-mails.
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biswasg		#48 Posted : 01 March 2006 07:02:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 234 Location: Geneva, Switzerland		Try Furger Anton http://www.furgerantongmbh.ch/ the owner speaks good english. I have dealt once through online order with telephone talks. Worked out quite will.
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Guus		#49 Posted : 01 March 2006 11:32:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Thanks for the new links gentlemen I think HAG's numbering system is a bit confusing. Their own factory website isn't an example of clear information in that aspect if you ask me. And it seems to me most dealers assume you're already an expert on HAG products. Just an observation. Kind regards Guus
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David Dewar		#50 Posted : 01 March 2006 11:49:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,467 Location: Scotland		My new HAG ae 6/6 is still going very cheap. A/C but not digital. Only to forum members though. David
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