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Offline David Dewar  
#101 Posted : 15 June 2006 14:08:47(UTC)
David Dewar

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Hi John. That well travelled loco looks in good shape.
While HAG is without doubt more expensive if you want Swiss models on the layout then they are worthwhile. Just take care where you buy and be prepared to wait for delivery.

David
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
Offline bmcrae  
#102 Posted : 16 June 2006 08:11:59(UTC)
bmcrae

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Thanks for the photos John! [:p][:p]
Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#103 Posted : 16 June 2006 08:37:49(UTC)
5HorizonsRR

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Your Welcome! I figure you guys can't really come over and play trains so this is a close as we get!
SBB Era 2-5
Offline steventrain  
#104 Posted : 17 June 2006 10:15:16(UTC)
steventrain

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Lots of nice pictures.Smile
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline Guus  
#105 Posted : 19 June 2006 13:03:23(UTC)
Guus

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Thanks for the very nice pictures John.

The HAG model's front-true to its example- is also tilted backwards a little more than with Märklins model.

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline alonso231gery  
#106 Posted : 01 July 2006 01:21:12(UTC)
alonso231gery

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Can anyone explain me what a two motor Re6\6 is?
2 locos in one?(Great pulling power?)
An outsider.
I'm looking for the owner of that horse. He's tall, blonde, he smokes a cigar, and he's a pig!
Offline Guus  
#107 Posted : 23 August 2006 21:56:19(UTC)
Guus

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Hi Nikos,

I have no hands on experience but I'm sure it will have great pulling power.

You'll find a picture of its internals in this thread on a HAG forum:

http://www.forum.hag-info.ch/viewtopic.php?t=445

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline alonso231gery  
#108 Posted : 23 August 2006 22:34:01(UTC)
alonso231gery

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Thank u Guus.
An outsider.
I'm looking for the owner of that horse. He's tall, blonde, he smokes a cigar, and he's a pig!
Offline antrains48  
#109 Posted : 15 September 2006 04:45:06(UTC)
antrains48


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See also

http://www.fulgurex.ch

They are about to bring out their digital versions. The quality is good.

Send an e-mail to me if you cannot find a dealer and I can help getting the order processed wherever it is needed.

antrains48
Offline Guus  
#110 Posted : 15 October 2006 00:58:21(UTC)
Guus

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Can anyone explain me what a two motor Re6\6 is?

Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:I have no hands on experience ...

Today I can explain what a two engined Re 6/6 is!

I've bought a HAG Re 6/6 or rather a Re 620 033-1(#203 CargoWappen Muri)as it's called now.
The loc has two drive units one on the front and one at the rear.The bogie in between those two has the pickup shoe.
The motors (the 88 type as they are called )look a lot like Märklins 3 pole drum collector ones.The difference,among others,being that these have ballbearings!
The loc drives very very smooth,almost like an old type C-sine Märklin one.
I've tested the loc on both the old CU and Märklin Systems.The latter has more speedsteps,however otherwise there's no difference in the smooth speed control.
I have yet to test the pulling power but I have no doubt about its ability to pull a long train on a steep gradient.
The loc is supplied with an ESU Lokpilot V 2.0 decoder,the one with the new 21 pole plug (Schnittstelle).So it will be user upgradable to a newer version of decoder and or sounddecoder without any/hardly any soldering.

So far my first impressions.

Kind regards
Guus

edited 15-10-2006:My apologies,I made a few mistakes in the numbering of the loc.

Kind regards,
Guus
Offline alonso231gery  
#111 Posted : 15 October 2006 01:20:35(UTC)
alonso231gery

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In other words the loco has 2 excellent motors,a pickup shoe between them?T
Thank you for the review Guus(keep posting).
An outsider.
I'm looking for the owner of that horse. He's tall, blonde, he smokes a cigar, and he's a pig!
Offline bmcrae  
#112 Posted : 15 October 2006 02:34:11(UTC)
bmcrae

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Can anyone explain me what a two motor Re6\6 is?

Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:I have no hands on experience ...

Today I can explain what a two engined Re 6/6 is!

I've bought a HAG Re 6/6 or rather a Re 660 (#205 Cargo Muri)as it's called now.
The loc has two drive units one on the front and one at the rear.The bogie in between those two has the pickup shoe.
The motors (the 88 type as they are called )look a lot like Märklins 3 pole drum collector ones.The difference,among others,being that these have ballbearings!
The loc drives very very smooth,almost like an old type C-sine Märklin one.
I've tested the loc on both the old CU and Märklin Systems.The latter has more speedsteps,however otherwise there's no difference in the smooth speed control.
I have yet to test the pulling power but I have no doubt about its ability to pull a long train on a steep gradient.
The loc is supplied with an ESU Loksound 2.0 decoder,the one with the new 21 pole plug (Schnittstelle).So it will be user upgradable to a newer version of decoder and or sounddecoder without any/hardly any soldering.

So far my first impressions.

Kind regards
Guus




Thanks Guus! My only comment....
Photos? [:p][:p][:p]
Offline WelshMatt  
#113 Posted : 15 October 2006 13:18:01(UTC)
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Are the older HAG locos worth buying? I've found a HAG 160 (Re 4/4 I think, number is 11107) for £95 boxed and in good order. Is this a sensible price or would I be wasting my money?

PS. I take it they've only offered 3 rail locos set up for AC? The dealer says it's a 3 rail loco but there have been 3 rail DC systems in the past (Hornby Dublo to name one).
Matt from Wales.

When you pay Range Rover prices, don't accept Lada quality
Offline Guus  
#114 Posted : 15 October 2006 13:55:13(UTC)
Guus

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Hello Matt,

I'm certainly no expert on HAG locos.However I know the one you mention should be a green Re 4/4 II AC loc (or green/weathered,there are 3version of the 11107 AFAIK).

Just like the pre decoder era Märklin locs,the older HAG AC locs drive on AC analog only!

Like you already said there are some 3 rail DC versions of HAG locs around too,but none of them a HAG 160.

My source of information is this site:http://homepage.swissonline.ch/unholz/english.html

Hope this helps a little.

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline WelshMatt  
#115 Posted : 15 October 2006 14:31:25(UTC)
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Thanks Guus - I'll have to give that loco serious thought but might well buy it. Judging by the auction prices there it's not overpriced. It is indeed a green Re 4/4 II with a single pantograph. It would sit well with my Marklin Re 4/4 IV...
Matt from Wales.

When you pay Range Rover prices, don't accept Lada quality
Offline steventrain  
#116 Posted : 15 October 2006 14:33:09(UTC)
steventrain

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by antrains48
<br />See also

http://www.fulgurex.ch

antrains48


Very good link.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline WelshMatt  
#117 Posted : 15 October 2006 16:03:11(UTC)
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Someone mentioned ball bearing motors in HAG locos - have they always had this or is it a recent upgrade? I can see why it'd be popular, slow speed performance should be superb.
Matt from Wales.

When you pay Range Rover prices, don't accept Lada quality
Offline Guus  
#118 Posted : 15 October 2006 18:09:29(UTC)
Guus

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Generally speaking the 88 type motor has ballbearings.

This link might be a good illustration of the various motor types there are:

http://www.forum.hag-info.ch/viewtopic.php?t=238

It might load slowly because it contains some very detailed large photos!

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline WelshMatt  
#119 Posted : 15 October 2006 20:25:22(UTC)
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Thanks again Guus - not sure which motor the Re 4/4 II has but \I'm guessing it would be the Type 66 from what the list there says. Still trying to convince myself not to buy one!
Matt from Wales.

When you pay Range Rover prices, don't accept Lada quality
Offline Guus  
#120 Posted : 16 October 2006 00:29:43(UTC)
Guus

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:originally posted by Brian:
Thanks Guus! My only comment....
Photos?[:p][:p][:p]

I'll try to post some pictures very soon.
Please don't expect the very nice quality pictures of our friend Almagik,but I'll give it my best try.

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline Guus  
#121 Posted : 16 October 2006 17:08:57(UTC)
Guus

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Hi all,

Here are three pictures of my Re 620:

UserPostedImage

UserPostedImage

UserPostedImage

Kind regards
Guus

Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 15:31:09(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Kind regards,
Guus
Offline bmcrae  
#122 Posted : 17 October 2006 00:18:33(UTC)
bmcrae

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Location: Okanagan Valley, BC
Thank you! [:p][:p]
I really must buy one HAG lok, just once. How many do you have Guus? The only problem is that I suspect I will really like it and not stop at one! wink
Offline David Dewar  
#123 Posted : 17 October 2006 01:08:13(UTC)
David Dewar

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Brian. HAG locos and coaches are excellent the problem is finding stock to buy.

David
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
Offline Guus  
#124 Posted : 19 October 2006 14:40:26(UTC)
Guus

Netherlands   
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:originally posted by Brian:
I really must buy one HAG lok, just once. How many do you have Guus? The only problem is that I suspect I will really like it and not stop at one! wink

I have two HAG locos and I admit I don't seem to be able to stop at one (or two) as well [:0]
The HAG virus is just as contagious as the Märklin variant wink

On the other hand having had a closer look at HAG I have come to appreciate Märklin locs even more.
Construction wise there are many similarities.
It's only recently that HAG incorporated decoders and Swiss light switching.Märklins croc even has the switchable red rear light.I don't believe there's a HAG loc yet that has the same feature.
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:originally posted by David:
HAG locos and coaches are excellent the problem is finding stock to buy.

I agree.
HAG seems to produce only a limited amount of locs, most of the time after preordering via the dealer.
My local dealer has been waiting for more than 8 months to receive a BLS HAG loco.

There are some Swiss dealers that seem to have a reasonable choice of locos and rolling stock.
BTW mine were bought from a Swiss dealer in Zürich:http://www.roundhouse.ch/

This is my other loc an Ae 4/7 from the Historic depot Lausanne:
UserPostedImage

HAG 040D (new construction of the Ae 4/7)

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
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