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Davy		#1 Posted : 02 January 2006 17:48:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		http://www.modellbahnecke.de/maerklinn.htm 29135 Startpackung "Europa" 129,00 € 29165 Startpackung "Mein Start mit Märklin" 99,00 € 29475 Digital-Startpackung "Regional-Express" 229,00 € 29480 Digital-Startpackung "Schweizer Güterzug" 229,00 € 29528 Digital-Startpackung "Frankreich" 399,00 € 29533 Digital-Startpackung "Güterzug" 229,00 € 29575 Digital-Startpackung "USA" 379,00 € nr29576 110v 29655 Digital-Startpackung "THW" 199,00 € 29755 Digital-Startpackung "Feuerwehr" 179,00 € 29790 Digital-Startpackung "ICE 2" 249,00 € 29830 Digital-Start "Dampflokzeit" 429,00 € 39980 Schienenbus Baureihe 798/998 der DB (Epoche IV) mit mfx & Sound 349,00 € (Auslieferung: März 2006) 39985 Schienenbus Baureihe 798/998 der DB (Epoche IV) mit mfx, ohne Sound 299,00 € (Auslieferung: März 2006) 41980 Schienenbus-Beiwagen Baureihe 998 der DB (Epoche IV) 69,95 € (Auslieferung: März 2006) 78050 Themenpackung "Einsatzzug" 49,95 € 78055 Themenpackung "Regional-Express" 79,95 € 78056 Themenpackung "ICE 2" 79,95 11 new starterkits and that after two years. Can't wait for the pictures.
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Alberto Pedrini		#2 Posted : 02 January 2006 18:04:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,448 Location: Italy		Schienenbus mit sound? [:p][:p][:p]
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bmcrae		#3 Posted : 02 January 2006 19:29:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 970 Location: Okanagan Valley, BC		2006 new items? [:0] I'm still trying to complete my wishlist from 2005.......... [V][V][V]
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john black		#4 Posted : 02 January 2006 19:37:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Davy <br />29575 Digital-Startpackung "USA" 379,00 € Well, may be nice. Perhaps ... But since M framed me [xx(][xx(][xx(] heavily with that junky €300.- Harry Potter Plastic Set a few months back, I'm more than suspicious, now ... Saying this my dealer will not only have to test-run all my future loco buys but also removing of shell for closer inspection is a must [}:)] John
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HueyCE		#5 Posted : 03 January 2006 02:21:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,528 Location: Groton, Connecticut		No new Era I or II stuff, maybe my wish list will shrink this year. Yea right. Ira
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5HorizonsRR		#6 Posted : 03 January 2006 03:45:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,984 Location: CA, USA		My guess is that this list is still a coverup. The red busses all dealers knew of as they were on the cover of the new items show brochure, and although the sets say country, they don't list contents. Should be interesting to see the normal line new items indeed.
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2ndChancer		#7 Posted : 03 January 2006 05:30:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2005(UTC) Posts: 587 Location: Hong Kong,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by HueyCE <br />No new Era I or II stuff, maybe my wish list will shrink this year. Yea right. Ira Somehow I think that's M's marketing strategy. Models of late protoypes are more appealing to juniors. Only old men like us are fond to steamers. The good thing is I can allocate my resource to the controls. Eric
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foumaro		#8 Posted : 03 January 2006 09:30:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,430 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		I think that i will buy models from previous years like the 37030 i took a few days ago.My next choise is 37610.Nothing from the 2005 items was so attractive,maybe the 37490 was but i did not see it till now to my dealer.
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Davy		#9 Posted : 03 January 2006 13:32:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		Buying startersets are the way to become cheaper a certain loc. I am realy curious what kind of loc there is in the Frankreich starterkit and in the set dampfloczeit. I think that in the dampfloczeit there a class 18,4 steamengine with mfx locsound. I have two off them. A class 52 freight steamengine our a class 78 with sound and 3 coaches. In the startset Europa there is I think a hobby loc on board. But it is just all a gamble from me. I am only guessing.
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DasBert33		#10 Posted : 03 January 2006 16:18:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,274		I hope that info on new M Systems stuff is also leaked soon, with prices. Somethings like: - S88 connection for CS - update for CS - CS-6021 adapter - CS network protocol The rest insnt that urgent. Bert
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Davy		#11 Posted : 04 January 2006 00:53:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		From a another German forum: hier noch ein paar Infos zu den Neuheiten: 29135 enthält Lok auf Basis 36850 29475 mit BR 146.1 29480 mit BR 482 29533 mit BR 86 29575 Lok Basis 37610 -PA- 1 NYC 29755 mit BR 212 29790 ICE 2 aber Motor mit Schwungmasse und Gelenken!!?? Mehr weiß ich zur Zeit auch nicht.
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plutoodie		#12 Posted : 04 January 2006 18:25:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 211 Location: Abu Dhabi		A little info on the new railbusses: [img]http://www.kystbanen.dk/billeder/maerklin/vt98-001[/img] [img]http://www.kystbanen.dk/billeder/maerklin/vt98-002[/img] [img]http://www.kystbanen.dk/billeder/maerklin/vt98-003[/img]
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steventrain		#13 Posted : 05 January 2006 23:08:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,695 Location: United Kingdom		Very good.I like the Railbus.Any more???
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Davy		#14 Posted : 06 January 2006 01:01:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		In the starterkit 29830 sit a black class 03 steamengine. http://www.modellbahn-te...131&products_id=1771 I now want this set. Other links to other starterkits http://www.modellbahn-te...=10&products_id=1766 http://www.modellbahn-te...=10&products_id=1769 http://www.modellbahn-te...=10&products_id=1768 http://www.modellbahn-te...=10&products_id=1764 http://www.modellbahn-te...=10&products_id=1767
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Steven86		#15 Posted : 06 January 2006 01:14:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 291 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain <br />Very good.I like the Railbus.Any more??? Yes, the railbus is on my list to own. I have been looking at the Roco and Fleischmann railbus versions for long (since better detailed than Mother's), yet never decided to go for them... I'm happy M* themselves come with a new version now... Is it metal?
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Davy		#16 Posted : 06 January 2006 01:30:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		Yes the schienen bus is from metal. The starter 29165 is with a metal class 81 steamengine. I think this loc is with the new hobby engine with flywheel and hobby decoder.
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john black		#17 Posted : 06 January 2006 02:33:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Where is that new U.S. set #29575 ? Or any other new U.S. loco ?
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2ndChancer		#18 Posted : 06 January 2006 03:17:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2005(UTC) Posts: 587 Location: Hong Kong,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Davy <br />In the starterkit 29830 sit a black class 03 steamengine. http://www.modellbahn-te...131&products_id=1771 I now want this set. Ja, me too, wonder what's that little box next to the trafo ? Eric
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john black		#19 Posted : 06 January 2006 03:23:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by 2ndChancer <br />wonder what's that little box next to the trafo ? Eric: Since K-track got no systems connection track - this one is the systems connection box for K-track and M-track users Best Regards, John
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2ndChancer		#20 Posted : 06 January 2006 03:32:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2005(UTC) Posts: 587 Location: Hong Kong,		I see, Thanks my friend Eric Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by 2ndChancer <br />wonder what's that little box next to the trafo ? Eric: Since K-track got no systems connection track - this one is the systems connection box for K-track and M-track users Best Regards, John
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john black		#21 Posted : 06 January 2006 12:20:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		But with that many Gurus here in this Forum I'm just waiting to see the first #5106UB ...
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ulf999		#22 Posted : 06 January 2006 12:34:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/05/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,908 Location: Stockholm, Sweden		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br />Where is that new U.S. set #29575 ? Or any other new U.S. loco ? I agree. Where is it. [:p] Plese let there be a US-switcher (diesel) this year...
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steventrain		#23 Posted : 06 January 2006 22:46:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,695 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Davy <br />In the starterkit 29830 sit a black class 03 steamengine. http://www.modellbahn-te...131&products_id=1771 I now want this set. Any with C-Track?[xx(]
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2fingers		#24 Posted : 11 January 2006 11:58:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 232 Location: , vic		I've just had a look at the PIKO neuheiten. Lots of 3 rail stuff [:0][:0] and for us who remember the hondekop; to be released as 3 rail and the green era 3 version.Tempting!!!! Hans
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plutoodie		#25 Posted : 11 January 2006 13:01:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 211 Location: Abu Dhabi		New PIKO items can be found here: http://www.kystbanen.dk/nyheder2006.html (scroll down and click on the PIKO picture) BTW I have a Danish "Desiro" in PIKO 3-rail edition - it runs fine! A little more engine noise than I prefer, but otherwise no problem...
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steventrain		#26 Posted : 11 January 2006 15:36:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,695 Location: United Kingdom		Thanks for the news and the link.
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Armando		#27 Posted : 11 January 2006 18:22:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		Could I dare hope that the BR-03 in the new starter set 29830 is, at long last, a retooled model? Or are Märklin using the same poorly detailed boiler that they have been dishing out for the past 10-15 years on both the BR-03 and BR-41? Greetings, Armando
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Munich 1860		#28 Posted : 11 January 2006 18:30:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,062 Location: Neu-Ulm, Bavaria		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Armando <br />Could I dare hope that the BR-03 in the new starter set 29830 is, at long last, a retooled model? Or are Märklin using the same poorly detailed boiler that they have been dishing out for the past 10-15 years on both the BR-03 and BR-41? Greetings, Armando What is wrong with this boiler ?? Thanks in advance, Hans
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Armando		#29 Posted : 11 January 2006 18:48:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		Hans: Just for fun, compare a Roco or Fleischmann tooling of the boiler of BR-03 or BR-41 with Märklin's. The answer will be cristal clear then! Greetings, Armando
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verheyen		#30 Posted : 11 January 2006 19:05:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 639 Location: ,		You mean those sand pipes, and other exterior details are really supposed to be free-standing? I thought they were were cast on on the original too. I'm confused Armando. What are you saying? Henschel... got it wrong? p. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Armando <br />Hans: Just for fun, compare a Roco or Fleischmann tooling of the boiler of BR-03 or BR-41 with Märklin's. The answer will be cristal clear then! Greetings, Armando
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Armando		#31 Posted : 11 January 2006 19:32:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		Hello Peter: No, that's exactly it! I am talking about the poor detailing of sand pipes, exterior details, etc. on the Märklin BR-03. These are cast along with the boiler shell and not free-standing. Actually, they use the same boiler for both BR-03 and BR-41 (only 3 sand pipes!). We have seen some improvement in the tooling of later versions of BR-01 (still far from great), BR-44 and BR-50. When one compares the Roco or Fleischmann toolings of these locs (03 and 41) the different with Märklin is awesome. I don't think that it is a matter of plastic or metal. These parts could simply be added-on to the metal boiler, just like they did on the BR-44. Greetings, Armando
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jonquinn		#32 Posted : 11 January 2006 19:35:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,591 Location: Pennsylvania		what's the difference between the two different railcars, 39880 and 39885? the description and the cars look the same to me.
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verheyen		#33 Posted : 11 January 2006 19:45:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 639 Location: ,		Actually the 03 and 41 used the same boiler. Beauty of the Einheitslok... p. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Armando <br />Hello Peter: No, that's exactly it! I am talking about the poor detailing of sand pipes, exterior details, etc. on the Märklin BR-03. These are cast along with the boiler shell and not free-standing. Actually, they use the same boiler for both BR-03 and BR-41 (only 3 sand pipes!). We have seen some improvement in the tooling of later versions of BR-01 (still far from great), BR-44 and BR-50. When one compares the Roco or Fleischmann toolings of these locs (03 and 41) the different with Märklin is awesome. I don't think that it is a matter of plastic or metal. These parts could simply be added-on to the metal boiler, just like they did on the BR-44. Greetings, Armando
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perz		#34 Posted : 11 January 2006 20:18:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2002(UTC) Posts: 2,578 Location: Sweden		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: what's the difference between the two different railcars, 39880 and 39885? the description and the cars look the same to me. With and without sound.
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Doodlebug		#35 Posted : 11 January 2006 21:29:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/07/2005(UTC) Posts: 117 Location: , Texas		Hello Armando I have been waiting for the new tooling on the BR 03/41 too. After seeing the level of detail on my 043 I was very anxious when 33952/37952 came out. But that and 37953 as 37921 have the old boiler, so I did not buy any of them. Still waiting for a highly detailed express loco from M other than the BR 01.
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2fingers		#36 Posted : 12 January 2006 00:38:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 232 Location: , vic		Same here. I won't buy any"new" releases unless they have updated the body and got rid of that huuuuuuge gap between loco and tender. Hans
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Doodlebug		#37 Posted : 12 January 2006 01:56:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/07/2005(UTC) Posts: 117 Location: , Texas		you can go to www.railfaneurope.net which has some close up pictures of the 41 and 03 which show that the pipes are separate from the boiler.
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jonquinn		#38 Posted : 12 January 2006 02:01:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,591 Location: Pennsylvania		will the railbus turn out to actually have red painted window inserts when it is finally delivered?
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shannon		#39 Posted : 12 January 2006 03:30:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 353 Location: Taipei,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Armando <br />Hello Peter: No, that's exactly it! I am talking about the poor detailing of sand pipes, exterior details, etc. on the Märklin BR-03. These are cast along with the boiler shell and not free-standing. Actually, they use the same boiler for both BR-03 and BR-41 (only 3 sand pipes!). We have seen some improvement in the tooling of later versions of BR-01 (still far from great), BR-44 and BR-50. When one compares the Roco or Fleischmann toolings of these locs (03 and 41) the different with Märklin is awesome. I don't think that it is a matter of plastic or metal. These parts could simply be added-on to the metal boiler, just like they did on the BR-44. Greetings, Armando
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shannon		#40 Posted : 12 January 2006 03:38:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 353 Location: Taipei,		Armando, i fully agree with your viewpoint. that's the important reason why i am gradually disappointed with marklin. Compared with fleishmann or roco in tooling of details, marklin br01, br78, br86 etc. are rough as well.
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verheyen		#41 Posted : 12 January 2006 03:41:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 639 Location: ,		All I need to do is compare my Märklin BR10 (DB) with my Roco 01.5 or 02 201 and I have the same feeling. The detailing isn't there. Mind you it's not a rough model, but they could have done more. And that was all new tooling. The models you mentions - 01, 78, 86 - are all fairly old tooling. p. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by shannon <br />Armando, i fully agree with your viewpoint. that's the important reason why i am gradually disappointed with marklin. Compared with fleishmann or roco in tooling of details, marklin br01, br78, br86 etc. are rough as well.
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H0		#42 Posted : 12 January 2006 11:15:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,451 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by verheyen <br />Actually the 03 and 41 used the same boiler. Beauty of the Einheitslok... p. That's true, but BR 41 has 4 axles and 4 sand pipes while BR 03 has 3 axles and 3 sand pipes. M* uses the boiler with 3 sand pipes for the BR 41. That's OK for "Spielbahner", but "Nietenzähler" (rivet counters) hate it. And this is not the worst example of M* reusing old parts / old shapes for new locos ...
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hxmiesa		#43 Posted : 12 January 2006 12:05:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,594 Location: Spain		p. That's true, but BR 41 has 4 axles and 4 sand pipes while BR 03 has 3 axles and 3 sand pipes. M* uses the boiler with 3 sand pipes for the BR 41. That's OK for "Spielbahner", but "Nietenzähler" (rivet counters) hate it. And this is not the worst example of M* reusing old parts / old shapes for new locos ... I wiss I hadn´t read this!!! :-( I know of course that you are right, and I have seen a lot of these "shortcuts" everywhere else, but just these two locos are among my favorites, and now I like them LESS! (Well, I suppose I only have to like the 41 less, right? ;-)
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H0		#44 Posted : 15 January 2006 01:12:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,451 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by hxmiesa I wish I hadn´t read this!!! :-( (Well, I suppose I only have to like the 41 less, right? ;-) I feel the same - if I buy a loco and later find out what's wrong about her. It's OK if I buy the loco after I found out.
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Munich 1860		#45 Posted : 15 January 2006 19:20:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,062 Location: Neu-Ulm, Bavaria		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by h-zero That's true, but BR 41 has 4 axles and 4 sand pipes while BR 03 has 3 axles and 3 sand pipes. M* uses the boiler with 3 sand pipes for the BR 41. I am sorry but this is not true in all cases. Please see the photos. There are actually NO sandpipes on the BR 41s which are posted here. No visible sandpipes I have to add. And I know of BR 52s with 5 geared axles which show only 3 sandpipe rods. So, as long as we do not know about the specific details of the loco used by Märklin, I do not see a reason for the owners to begin to dislike their possessions ..... Many regards, Hans Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 16:06:21(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
		I like M-track and my things that run on it were built between 1959 and 1972.
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laalves		#46 Posted : 16 January 2006 01:23:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		I believe thise photos are of the 1960ies rebuilt boiler BR41s, which I believe have gained separate sand boxes for each axle. These boxes are located at gangway level and the pipes go from there to the wheels, being very short in comparison with those belonging to earlier style BR41s and BR03s and other einheitsloks. All of Märklin BR41s I know have the old prewar style boiler which had a centrally-top-mounted sandbox, from which all the pipes ran visibly to the axles. Now, specifically how many sandpipes were there in the BR41s portrayed by Märklin is an unknown..... Further, the period in which M's BR41s are depicted is also quite relevant. All in all, and applicable to all manufacturers, and to all types of models, cars, aircraft, armour, etc., it's really very difficult to get an out of the box accurate model, for a specific date. In my trains I don't really care and am not a rivet counter at all, and mostly like them to look simply gorgeous and run great! May I suggest that nobody feels unhappy for having a POSSIBLY inacurate lok? Let's run them! Luis
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Doodlebug		#47 Posted : 16 January 2006 01:47:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/07/2005(UTC) Posts: 117 Location: , Texas		These locos are also different from the Märklin model as their platform surrounding the boiler stays up the whole way while the Märklin model's slopes down in the front. Mikko
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mrmarklin		#48 Posted : 16 January 2006 03:39:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 942 Location: Burney, CA		I think Hans' point was don't drive yourself nuts with this stuff!!! My favorite larger German steam prototype is the BR 41, and it was my first big M lok purchased back in 1983 (3082). I still have it and am very satisfied. There'sno way of knowing if the actual lok had 3, 4 or no sandpipes. Or even if it has the correct "Elephant ears" which were changed on later versions of the model. I still like it and always will. It was actually a bonus that the BR o3 had the same boiler, becausee it was a talking point with my train buddies. Now I'll rant on about cast on detail. it's probably MORE realistic than some of the add on pipes!! Multiply the thickness of some of this add on stuff by 87 and see what you get sometimes!! Also the distance of the piping from the boiler surface. It's almost grotesque the proportions. But it "looks" better.............well maybe. I think it's a matter of opinion.
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Davy		#49 Posted : 16 January 2006 17:23:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		I want one and that is the set. Mein start mit Marklin 29165. It has a br 81 and it looks like to have a hobbymotor and flywheel and the same decoder the other marklin hobbylocs have. The have already done this for a other small and cheap steamloc and this one runs very good in analog and digital mode. nr 29156
		M-track with a CS2.
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jeehring		#50 Posted : 16 January 2006 19:51:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Armando , don't make comparison between Roco model and Marklin model of BR 03 & BR 41 . They are different version . Specially about sand pipes and other details ,these machines have been built by several manufacturers . It depends also of the era On Marklin BR 52 , BR 50 , BR 44 , boilers & hand rails are correct . Only about Marklin model of BR 41 ( former plastic model) you can find a very wellknown compromise . About the French SNCF startset , the lok is a BB 12000 in blue livery with yellow panels , same as the recent model from Marklin . The new metal model of railbus looks wonderful !
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