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Offline Andy  
#1 Posted : 18 October 2005 13:19:54(UTC)
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I have a Marklin HO train set I got when I was a kid that my father imported from Europe. It has been sitting unused for 25+ years. The biggest box is a 3160, which is guess is a starter set, but other boxes I got later include a 3000 locomotive, 4043 passenger car, 4611 crane, 4914 low-sided truck, 3060 locomotive and 7192 crossing, etc. also there's alot of extra tracks and switches.

I have tried checking e-bay ocassionally, but the model numbers I have don't seem to pop-up very often. A few years ago, a local train store offered me $200 for everything, but today I saw one locomotive I have sell for U$129, so I was obviously being low-balled. I found a book at Amazon but it was from 1989 and cost U$75.

Is there a current standard reference book or website where I can figure out what this stuff is worth, or a reputable appraiser? I just need a basic idea to figure out if its worth it to sell pieces individually, or as a complete set. How much time I would need to catalogue and then go through the whole e-bay process is a consideration. What would be the best way to sell this set as we could use the space... Thanks for any input.
Offline crasyhh  
#2 Posted : 18 October 2005 16:36:06(UTC)
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in norway we got the koll`s yearbook for collektors, but i dont know if it is sold in any other country
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Offline stephenbb  
#3 Posted : 18 October 2005 16:49:30(UTC)
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Welcome to the forum Andy! The koll's book is a very good starting point. Their values maybe on the high side but good.
Some libraries have copies or check a hobby store near you that carries European train products.. Where are you located?
Stephen(USA)
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Offline steventrain  
#4 Posted : 18 October 2005 17:24:08(UTC)
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Wecome to the forum Andy.
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Offline john black  
#5 Posted : 19 October 2005 00:00:42(UTC)
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Welcome, Andy Smile BTW - what country ?

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Offline franciscohg  
#6 Posted : 19 October 2005 00:35:15(UTC)
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Welcome again Andy
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Offline Munich 1860  
#7 Posted : 19 October 2005 18:20:11(UTC)
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I would like to know what the 3160 starter set is and how it looks like ... I guess it is in one of my catalogues, but I don't have time right now to look through all of them. Maybe you could just desribe to content in short sentences, thank you ....

Johann
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Offline john black  
#8 Posted : 19 October 2005 20:20:19(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by marklin-users.net.ch 1860
<br />I would like to know what the 3160 starter set is

Hans: #3160 is no starter set - it's a Electric (BR1043)

Best Regards,
John
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Offline Munich 1860  
#9 Posted : 21 October 2005 02:25:37(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by marklin-users.net.ch 1860
<br />I would like to know what the 3160 starter set is

Hans: #3160 is no starter set - it's a Electric (BR1043)

Best Regards,
John
You see John, I always suspected you law enforcement guys liked to trigger information from others and not do research work yourself ....[}:)][}:)][}:)]

Now, your remark got me diving deep into old catalogs and guess what I found ??? 3160 starter set. CoolCoolCool

If you tell me by tomorrow night in which catalog I have found it and how it looks like (don't tell me it's M-track 5100, that doesn't count, I want the loco and the cars that were included), you will get 6 bottles of fine Bavarian beer sent to your house.

Is this an offer ???? Good challenge ?? That will teach you to just enter "3160" in the Google machine or Märklin's data base..... biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

The others are excluded. They may help but in no way am I sending out thousands of bottles to you guys ... [:p][:p][:p]

Many regards,

Hans
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Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#10 Posted : 21 October 2005 02:37:59(UTC)
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What about cheap bavarian beer for the rest of us (or just me) who solve it? biggrinbiggrinbiggrin
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Offline McLae  
#11 Posted : 21 October 2005 03:00:29(UTC)
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Beer, Yuck![xx(]

I would rather have the beer CAR biggrin

Interesting challenge! Cool (tick, tick, tick,...)
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Offline john black  
#12 Posted : 21 October 2005 15:16:04(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by marklin-users.net.ch 1860
<br />... and not do research work yourself ... [}:)][}:)][}:)]
That will teach you to just enter "3160" in the Google machine or Märklin's data base ... biggrinbiggrinbiggrin


Dear Hans biggrinbiggrinbiggrin:

Ya can drive to your airport and upload those beer crates, already (your reading is correct: c r a t e s - since this is a big department) [}:)][}:)][}:)]
Seriously, I never googled my above result (our Swedish friends do much better with this one). No, it was good old research in my Koll. Interestingly, he mentions NO starter set bearing that number - only the above Electric, sorry. Just look by yourself ... Smile

And don't forget to pay air freight in advance - browsing through books makes us especially thirsty [:p][:p][:p]

Best Regards,
John
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Offline steventrain  
#13 Posted : 21 October 2005 23:02:03(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by McLae
<br />Beer, Yuck![xx(]

I would rather have the beer CAR biggrin

Interesting challenge! Cool (tick, tick, tick,...)


biggrinbiggrinbiggrin
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Offline Munich 1860  
#14 Posted : 22 October 2005 23:26:05(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by 5HorizonsRR
<br />What about cheap bavarian beer for the rest of us (or just me) who solve it? biggrinbiggrinbiggrin
John,

this is about the first time I have ever heard or read the words "cheap" and "Bavarian beer" put into one sentence ... [:p][:p][:p]
You're always welcome to stop by and try it out, just as thousands of your compatriots do every year at the Oktoberfest München. winkwinkwink

Now guys, a couple of hours left for this ... it should have been put into the Quiz section ...

Regards,

Hans
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Offline Andy  
#15 Posted : 23 October 2005 01:19:52(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by stephenbb
<br />Welcome to the forum Andy! The koll's book is a very good starting point. Their values maybe on the high side but good.
Some libraries have copies or check a hobby store near you that carries European train products.. Where are you located?
Stephen(USA)


I am in Canada, but travel frequently to the States so I can ship from there too.
Offline Andy  
#16 Posted : 23 October 2005 01:25:17(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by marklin-users.net.ch 1860
<br />I would like to know what the 3160 starter set is and how it looks like ... I guess it is in one of my catalogues, but I don't have time right now to look through all of them. Maybe you could just desribe to content in short sentences, thank you ....

Johann


This is my problem. I have alot of stuff, but I have no idea exactly what came from this box, or what was bought later. I'll have some time Monday andy send you some photos.
Offline RayF  
#17 Posted : 23 October 2005 02:42:30(UTC)
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In the 1960's Marklin often numbered train sets according to the number of the locomotive in it with either 100 or 200 added to it.

For example:
Loco 3000 - a class 89
Set 3100 - set with a class 89 loco and passenger cars
Set 3200 - set with a class 89 loco and freight cars

The starter set 3160 was a freight set with a 3060 loco. Is that enough of a clue?

Ray

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Offline Munich 1860  
#18 Posted : 28 October 2005 21:18:48(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Andy
<br />This is my problem. I have alot of stuff, but I have no idea exactly what came from this box, or what was bought later. I'll have some time Monday andy send you some photos.
Hello Andy,

I have sent you a message via this forum mail editor, maybe you did not receive it ??

What about the photos ?? I would be interested in some of your items ..

Regards,

Hans
I like M-track and my things that run on it were built between 1959 and 1972.
Offline Munich 1860  
#19 Posted : 30 October 2005 22:19:43(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black
<br />Dear Hans biggrinbiggrinbiggrin:

Ya can drive to your airport and upload those beer crates, already (your reading is correct: c r a t e s - since this is a big department) [}:)][}:)][}:)]
Seriously, I never googled my above result (our Swedish friends do much better with this one). No, it was good old research in my Koll. Interestingly, he mentions NO starter set bearing that number - only the above Electric, sorry. Just look by yourself ... Smile

And don't forget to pay air freight in advance - browsing through books makes us especially thirsty [:p][:p][:p]

Best Regards,
John
Dear John,

this reply took some time, due to me technical idiot having to a) borrow a digital camera and b) rehearsing around with it .... As already mentioned by Ray, these starter sets had numbers according to the normal locos' numbers. See my effort with the digital camera, catalog is from 1961.

UserPostedImage

Now concerning your remark re Koll's: in the introduction of the Startpackungen / Zugpackungen part of this book, he mentions that it has been shown in the past that prices for starter sets can be obtained by simply adding up the included single items' prices. Therefore starter sets which only consist of regular Märklin material are not mentioned.....

About the beer: I'll either be over at your place in the not too far future, or maybe I have a chance of meeting up with Ron who's about to go to Germany for the marklin-users.net.ch exhibition. Anyway there will be some beer at your place, just a little patience is needed ....

Many regards,

Hans
I like M-track and my things that run on it were built between 1959 and 1972.
Offline stenscience  
#20 Posted : 30 October 2005 23:33:01(UTC)
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Aha! My catalogs don't go back that far...Good one-learned something here!
Offline john black  
#21 Posted : 01 November 2005 00:44:38(UTC)
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Hans - thanks for that beautyful old picture [:p] !!

John
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Offline steventrain  
#22 Posted : 02 November 2005 10:50:04(UTC)
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What is the value on 3160 and 3162 today.
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Offline Munich 1860  
#23 Posted : 02 November 2005 14:20:25(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
<br />What is the value on 3160 and 3162 today.
Not so much, Steven ..... Accumulated prices for the single items plus maybe a little extra for the box, if it is the one with the picture and not a single red one ....

I don't know, maybe 200 Euro, maybe 250 Euro .... certainly not more .... (Mint in Box, that is ...)

Regards,

Hans
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Offline steventrain  
#24 Posted : 02 November 2005 19:34:14(UTC)
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Many thanks Hans.
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Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#25 Posted : 02 November 2005 19:59:50(UTC)
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Hi guys,
I think the value actually may be much more depending on condition. True the individual components don't add up to much, but lately amongst seasoned Marklin (and especially Lionel) collectors the fun new thing to buy is Original Boxed sets in great condition, particularly premium sets (read: without 3000, 3001, 3003 etc...)Due to the fact that rarely are these sets intact and complete, and especially with their boxes. With higher end pieces, it also eliminates a lot of questionable seller marketing (such as pieceing together 3 348 series SBB coaches of different variations from different places and selling them as an original set)as if it is a complete original set you are very likely getting the proper components.
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Offline Jeremy Palmer  
#26 Posted : 18 November 2005 01:56:37(UTC)
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Hi Everyone,

Wow what a topic, I will answer and delete site from home pc in case
ministry of home affairs finds out.

Start Set BB and Santa Fe. Santa Fe turned into ABA unit. ty Robert.
Insider BB
Calif. Zephyr.
Northlander 2.
Black Widow.
Swedish Wooden train.
26750.
37080
37081
2 X 37082
37050
37184
King Ludwig
Transparent ICE , my favourite - really cool.
37605
37531 (Christmas loc).
The complete Alaska set.
Marklin/Herpa Actros set.
Metal Flying Hamburger
And a Pendolino converted to dig. by Robert.
Would be kiled for getting but will , Texas and Pacific set,
King Wilhem set, 2681?? and the Marklin/Herpa Christmas set.
28506 Rheingold set. The Condenser loc and the snowplough and steam
loc set. can't remember number.

Most in storage in the States while trying to organise a layout.
Although not locs, I have been fortunate to obtain some exceptional
car sets, Orient Express, Golden Twenties , a complete Lorelei set.
The 42990 and companion 43291 set.

If you don't hear from me again it's been nice knowing you!!!

Jeremy.


Jeremy.

1). If at first you don't succeed, bungee jumping mightn't be for you.
2). The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second rat that gets the cheese.
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Offline Andy  
#27 Posted : 23 November 2005 04:42:52(UTC)
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I have finally catalogued my train set. Here is the resulting webpage: http://www3.telus.net/barg/train.html
Offline steventrain  
#28 Posted : 23 November 2005 09:43:20(UTC)
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Thanks for seeing the pictures.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#29 Posted : 25 June 2017 05:49:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Munich 1860 Go to Quoted Post
See my effort with the digital camera, catalog is from 1961.

UserPostedImage



Topic of this thread came up in the following thread:- https://www.marklin-user...o-I-have-here#post548250

This is the scan of the relevant page from the 1961 English Catalog.

Capture.JPG
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