An IBM Clock on a building?The Huddart Parker Building and her old IBM ClockThis article has now been expanded to include other IBM Direct Read Clocks in Auckland, Christchurch & Dunedin, and the IBM Plant in Naenae (Lower Hutt) (Wellington NZ)(sub-article from Miramar Gasworks Tramway \ Wellington Tramway Remnants) |
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Aug 22nd - Peter tells his story....
This is most
interesting!!!
From what you have described, it would appear this
clock may have been the one on top of the Government Life Building in the
Square, as this could well have been designated the ‘State’
building. It had 4 faces, showed the time and the current
temperature, in sequence.
See : (link to plan of
clock)
Unfortunately, the clock was turned
off a few years ago as the building was sold, and the new owner said he
would only turn it on again if his building was tenanted to a certain
percent. Now, due to the fact that it was the ugliest building in
the whole of Christchurch (possibly my own opinion) the required tenancy
did not come to pass!
Although I do have fond(ish) memories of the
building where the IRD’s typing pool used to reside (6th floor, I think),
which I had as a customer in my OP patch back in the mid 80’s… LOTS
of selectrics to fix!
Unfortunately, I cannot seem to find any pics
on the web of the building itself. And, I hear tell, it is slated
for demolition after the February quake.
So there we have another part of this story.
Aug 28th - Another former IBM Manager Murray McConchie was able to add some more details of his own - Murray recalls....
Ross has since added to this by noting that he recalls the original Weather display was a 1-word forecast on a smaller display but that sometime after IBM sold the clock division it was changed to show the temperature and that the ChCh clock had a temperature display also.
Sept 1st - I received a response to my query from the Wellington City Council Archives, they have advised.....
In the file I have sourced that
relates to this sign, there are three pages of correspondence between the
Town Clerk's department and Claude Neon Lights of New Zealand, regarding
the installation of it. Within this correspondence, the sign is described
as an "animated electric sky sign incorporating the time and weather
forecast, which are automatically controlled by an electric clock operated
by the use of incandescent lamps, and an internal barometer" so it fits
the description you have provided us.
I have been able to
find a number of photographs we hold for the building, but unfortunately
none of them show the sign you are looking at. Most of the photographs we
hold pre-date the installation of the sign.
If you are coming
to Wellington to research (or have someone in Wellington that would like
to do this research for you) I can arrange for selected items to be
retrieved from the archive for you.
UPDATE Sept 5 - The Meteorological Office
Since the initial release of this article and the results of several more emails and asking around further information has slowly come in for which I am very grateful.
In particular some additional information around the Weather Display Portion of the clock which has come to me via Douglas Parker (NZMS) from his own asking around is as follows;
"Bill Witham's memory (along the lines of what John says below) is of Len Maxim looking out the window from the forecast room and seeing that the sign said fine when it was actually bucketing down and of Len cursing and running round the room to change the display. This memory rings a very slight bell with me, and I do wonder when the sign was removed?"
Aug 16th - John Falconer (ex. NZMS) recalls....
"I was very interested in your attempt to write-up some of the history of this clock. Unfortunately my memory of events 30 to 40 or more years ago is getting a bit hazy these days. However I do recall this digital display clock. But the so called "weather forecast" was often not very reliable. ie the weather would often change quite some time before the one word forecast would be changed. I do not recall all the words used in this display apart from "fine" and "rain". I shall try and contact a few of the surviving old forecasters to see if they can remember any of the words used. If they can I shall pass these on to you."
Keith Mackersy (ex. NZMS) adds....
"I can't really add much but
I can certainly confirm that the one word forecasts were controlled by the
old NZ Met Service using a rotary phone located in the "broadcast box"
(specific number combinations related to particular forecasts, eg,
145 = fine; 146 = cloudy and so. I can't recall the actual
combinations, so my examples are indicative only). I know there were
times when for some unknown reason the forecasts displayed changed
unexpectedly, and folk would phone in to complain. This usually
meant redialing the forecast or calling IBM to advise of the
problem.
As best I can remember, it started in 1969 and
ended around mid-1970. The display continued after mid-1970 but the
forecast was then phoned to someone in the shipping office in the Huddart
Parker building. I'm really stretching my memory and the end date
may not be very precise."
Terry Smith (ex NZMS) recalls...
"Yes I have good memories of the one word weather display we used to operate. About the mid 70's? it was put in place and was looked after by the DATO's ("Data Acquisition Technical Officer"). A log was kept of the changes that were made. It did have its many problems at times. Often someone might ring and tell us it has been stuck on one word for days or it's not showing at all. We had a number to call to try and get a fix. Even Met staff when they were downtown often came back reporting problems as at times it displayed the wrong word. We were not to know, as apart from the designated word and single dial digit we had no way of checking it. It was an interesting exercise in trying to make something work that was largely experimental - especially with the knowledge of electronics that was known in those days. I think it was the early 80's that the display was taken out of service. The Techs must have had a roughtime climbing out on the roof of the building - something nowdays OSH would not approve of !."
And Douglas Parker himself adds....
I'll have to check when I'm back at work next week, but I think that it was possible to see the display from work, but you either had to go into the very corner of the forecast room, or onto the roof - Bill's memory triggered me remembering my boss when I first joined telling me about the display when Len Maxim (another DATO like Terry) was trying to see whether the display was correct or not. I do not recall actually seeing either the display, or the controlling dialer myself.
Terry Smith and Len Maxim had been Observers (probably on one or more of Campbell Island, Raoul Island, the Pacific Islands or the NZ mainland stations) before ending up at Kelburn and were now DATO's - think a combination of Observer, help-desk answering public queries, experts in Met codes - their official/main role being to fix typo's in reports we'd received.
One of the respondents mentioned the dialer being in the "Broadcast Box" - most of the people I spoke to said it was in the "Comms area". The "Comms Area" was an area full of tele-types and Telex's. It was manned by comms officers. I think they were all MOT employees seconded to NZMS too, 'though I'm not sure. The "Broadcast Box" was where the forecasters would read the weather-foreast on the radio (when the announcer said "crossing now the the weather office"). When I joined, it was a room the size of a toilet with sound-proof baffles in the corner of the computer room. I only remember a microphone and a phone in it (but maybe, that phone was the dialler - I don't know).
Other memories may yet surface about the Weather display and if so, will be added. I had to chuckle at the 'DATO' acronym - IBM would have been very comfortable with this nomenclature!!
Aug 23rd - Regarding the building in Christchurch, I have since been told by my daughter (Dawn) who also lives in Christchurch that the building has actually been demolished already. Whether the clock was salvaged by anybody I will probably never know, many of those buildings were understandably absolute no-go zones.
Sep 2nd - Stop Press - Daughter Dawn has since emailed me again with this footage that she found of a tour through the ChCh Quake "Red Zone" (interesting in itself) which seems to indicate the ChCh building still stands,
Well, it sure looks very much like the same building in the images so perhaps there is hope this apparently sole remaining clock may yet survive and possibly even return to service at some future time.
And finally, the information and response I was hoping to get from Doug Matheson himself, the 'Father' of the whole project which sparked my interest....
"Hi Stephen and great to hear from
you.
Yes I remember you, I will send some images in three separate
emails.
I designed the first direct read Clock for TEAL (Tasman
Empire Airways Ltd, now Air New Zealand) in Auckland – attached clippings
explain. They saw an IBM clock in the USA but we could not import
it.
That was in September 1961. The NZ clocks were entirely our
design.
Then in March 1962 we built and installed a four sided Time
and Temperature clock on the new National Insurance Company building in
Dunedin (clippings attached).
In February 1963 we built and
installed the Wellington Huddart Parker Building, time / temperature /
weather forecast clock, which you know about from Murray.
Then we
built and installed a time / temperature clock on the Government Life
Insurance Company building in the square in Christchurch. I am not sure of
the date.
I think that’s about it. The initiatives (the sale) in
each case came from a Time Systems salesman, as best I remember. We then
designed a clock to satisfy the requirements of each place.
The Met
Office was not involved other than in Wellington - we had
temperature devices mounted in suitable boxes near the clock. I wasn’t
involved much at all in the Huddart Parker clock.
From the first
design I was concerned with the use of relays, but as Murray has said
there were no LEDs / solid state devices at that time. I did spend time
investigating SCRs but could find none suitable for such an application.
So we were stuck with relays. I can’t even imagine doing that today with
all the solid state technology available.
I think Murray has
covered other aspects.
Good to hear from you Stephen. I don’t know
what else you may want – let me know.
Kindest personal
regards
Doug"
I have included the clippings Doug kindly sent as follows - they are real gems and each tells it's own story....

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Doug has since sent me two further very clear photos of the Dunedin clock showing the time and the temperature (transport buffs will enjoy the partial Trolley-bus in the bottom of one picture)
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And here below we have a good photo of the Auckland clock located at the intersection of Beach Rd, Fort St and Emily Place (leading up the hill). The area was part of my 'territory' while working for IBM in Auckland and I do not recall ever noting this clock - either I simply did not notice it, or it was gone by the time I moved to Auckland in 1978. These night-time shots really show the effect of the display very effectively.
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As with any topical news story, there's always the cartoonist to beware of....

And here we have a photo showing the framing for the new Wellington (Huddart Parker) clock but alas, no image of the clock itself (yet), but with a little imagination you can easily picture the Dunedin or Auckland time display in the area to the right of the Caltex sign....
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I note a couple of minor details from this photo, the first is that "Caltex" is the prominant advertiser, it's possible they may have a photo in their archives, sadly I don't know anyone at Caltex to call any favours but I shall ponder that a while. The second point that rather amused me is the tennant of the top floor one down - "ASEA" which eventually became part of the Swiss ABB Group (Asea Brown Boveri) who just happen to be a manufacturer of (full size) Railway Locomotives and of which Märklin 'just happen' to make several scale models of.
It really is a funny old world and those who know me will undoubtedly chuckle at this tenuous connection.
Aug 20 - In a further email from Ross Pierson responding to my side-query regarding other IBM Clock Sites around NZ, he added the following....
"In Wallywood, Ford car assembly
plant in Seaview had one with dial clocks and time card clocks running off
it, IBM Naenae had one with dial clocks, programme clock and a Tower
Clock, BNZ Tawa had a tower clock, AMP Head office and CU building which
was where IBM was when I started with only dial clocks, and the Huddart
Parker building Direct Read one which was owned by Claud Neon.
In
Chch, Christ's College had a 3 sided clock that was mounted in the spire,
this was driven by a Master Clock but the slave was not an impulse one but
a motor drive because the faces were 6ft diameter, the only one in the
country, Canterbury Malting had a mixture of dial and card slaves, the one
in the IBM building in Latimer Square only had dials. And the 4 sided
Direct Read on top of The State building in The Square.
In
Dunedin there was the Direct Read and as I never worked there I don't
know about the others.
In Auckland there was the Direct Read above
the Brothel in Quay st which was the only one I went to.
I remember
one time that I went to the Ford one and it was 2 min or so fast so I
stopped the Master and restarted when it was on time, I left and about 30
min later when I called in for new calls Murdo (who was manager then) had
me urgently go back to Ford as "The Workers" were about to go on strike
because the shift was going to work 2 min longer so I had to go back and
be included in negotiations between the union and management as to what to
do about the overtime, we worked out that I would adjust the Master back
to the old time and go there again and stop the Master for 45 seconds at
1625 restart the clock and stop the Master for 45 sec at 1635 and stop the
Master at 0755 for 45 sec next day, all under supervision of Management
and Union, that way the time was shared by the morning shift the afternoon
shift and management.
Dave Hart brought very expensive watch so he would have the correct time always, one of the first battery powered ones, it used to hum, the rest of us used to ring DSIR and have the man who looked after the TIME give us the beeps for a minute. Neil Buckley, Noel Cheer, Murdo McIvor, Irwin Loeffellechner would be other CE's"
Apart from the wonderful anecdote about the Ford plant, it's very interesting that Ross mentions the Huddart Parker clock as being owned by Claude Neon which I referred to earlier in the article.
OTHER IBM CLOCKS (in NZ)
IBM had their clock systems in a number of facilities, commonly Schools, Factories, Hospitals etc but unless you had a reason to look closely, it would just be another clock.
For many years IBM occupied a facility in Naenae, Lower Hutt where various engineering activities were carried out including initially the production of punched cards, plus the refurbishment of typewriters. I only visited the site once or twice but do recall a large dial-clock prominantly displayed outside which as the clipping confirms was part of a synchronised system. The facility was vacated around 1990 (give or take) when the entire operation relocated to IBM's new purpose-built centre on the Esplanade in Petone. The fate of the Naenae clock is unknown but among the clippings Doug Matheson sent me was an unexpected photo of the roadside clock - brilliant!!

The only other site I personally recall seeing a typical slave dial-clock was in a facility in Auckland, if I recall it was on or near Carrington Road. The clock style was as below;

I also knew of an installation of an IBM time-system that was decommissioned from a factory in New Plymouth (McKechnie Metals) less than 5 years ago. If I recall there were possibly 'attendance recording" units and I actually had the opportunity to get some of those but circumstances at the time were against me and copies of the photos of them have vanished.
As more information comes to hand I will hopefully be able to make further progress.
I am VERY grateful for the assistance of many people in bringing this story to life and acknowledge the help and/or support (direct and indirect) of Ross Pierson, Noel Cheer, Mike Gilbert, Ron Fone, Peter Lemmon, Sally Brink, Peter Middelkoop, Murray McConchie, Douglas Parker (and his Met Office associates), Paul Chipp and last but absolutely not least, Doug Matheson for having the foresight to preserve and provide the clippings above. I really have enjoyed renewing old acquaintences and bringing these almost-forgotton details back to life.
If any new reader wishes to contact me, my email address is on my Home Page (bottom link below, at bottom of start page).
More information about IBM's Time Division can be found in their archives
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