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Offline efel  
#1 Posted : 29 March 2007 13:39:50(UTC)
efel

France   
Joined: 23/02/2005(UTC)
Posts: 800
Hi,

I experienced my first failure in C track turnout motor yesterday.
The turnout did not respond to the control sent by the PC. After investigations it appeared that it was not an electrical failure, but a mechanical one: After removing the motor, I saw that the mobile rod was stuck (stongly stuck), at full stroke.
I can't understand what happened: nothing has burned (I opened the motor to check) , the end stroke switches are electrically and mechanically working, the coils have a standard 20 Ohm resistance.
Had Anybody already experienced this problem?
How can it be explained?
Thanks for your help
Fred
Offline dntower85  
#2 Posted : 29 March 2007 18:46:39(UTC)
dntower85

United States   
Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC)
Posts: 2,218
Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA
Thats strange, could you move the rod after opening the motor?
DT
Now powered by ECoS II unit#2, RocRail
era - some time in the future when the space time continuum is disrupted and ICE 3 Trains run on the same rails as the Adler and BR18's.
Offline steventrain  
#3 Posted : 29 March 2007 20:41:13(UTC)
steventrain

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Location: United Kingdom
Where did you use K83 or 74460 decoder for the 74490?
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline efel  
#4 Posted : 31 March 2007 17:36:45(UTC)
efel

France   
Joined: 23/02/2005(UTC)
Posts: 800
Hi,

The rods can't move, even with the motor opened. Seems they are glued "inside" the solenoids. Probably something melted ?
Offline clapcott  
#5 Posted : 01 April 2007 01:23:08(UTC)
clapcott

New Zealand   
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC)
Posts: 2,435
Location: Wellington, New_Zealand
two possibilities come to mind.
1) there is/was a short to the metal case which in turn shorted to the centre rail - result solinoid energised for a long time heating wire insulation/former/actuator(rod)
2) software is not sending a shutoff command (code Dec32). result = as above with solinoid energised too long.

Note: The later certainly applied to earlier motors with only one switch, however I am still wary of the actual design/adjustment of these cutoff switches. In some cases the rod has enough slop to allow the switch to 'not' activate.
Peter
Offline Lars Westerlind  
#6 Posted : 01 April 2007 15:36:59(UTC)
Lars Westerlind


Joined: 19/10/2001(UTC)
Posts: 2,379
Location: Lindome, Sweden
The motors have end shutoff contacts. Either not working, or a mechanical fault. I've no idea.
/Lars
Offline efel  
#7 Posted : 03 April 2007 00:39:57(UTC)
efel

France   
Joined: 23/02/2005(UTC)
Posts: 800
Thanks for your answers.
It's true that a permanent voltage is applied on the coil, and that a failure in the end shut off contacts would be critical. Up to now, they seem reliable....fortunately.
Nevertheless, I find it strange that the rod is "glued" at full stroke with the end contact opened, as it should be.

Fred
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