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7gauges		#1 Posted : 17 September 2006 01:25:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/12/2002(UTC) Posts: 328		I received my Looney Tunes loco today - nicely done - but manufactured in Hungary - I was a little surprised! I know the Bulk of Gauge 1 and also C track are of Hungarian origin. Does this mean that all less expensive Marklin HO locos in the Taurus/Hercules series come out of Hungary? I imagine the Superman series is also non-german then .....I also received my Insider VT 08.5's today - the HO version is of German manufacture - the Z-scale version (and extra car) are Chinese made - very interesting - so Marklin vacated several hundred jobs in Germany - to move manufacturing to the former eastern block and China. Gives one pause to consider ..... Does this mean the Marklin production in Hungary and China are under contract or are they Marklin owned and operated factories? ... and can someone explain to me why the EU does not require country of origin marking (especially if it is outside the EU)- but the USA and Canada do - seems to be some sleight of hand by the EU ..... I knew you couldn't trust the EU Bureaucracy - the "Made in ...." labels on the boxes are simple sticky labels attached on import to North America, it seems. At least my 2006 Volvo V70R is still Swedish (with a a lot of German parts) - and my Leica is still German.
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JeffVT		#2 Posted : 17 September 2006 01:33:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 72 Location: Shelburne VT		Most of the US HO-gaguge freight cars offered in recent years are of Chinese origin. It's the same type of disclosure that you describe, with a sticker attached to the box. The cars themselves bear no marking of origin, unlike my older rolling stock marked "Western Germany" and later, "Germany". I am no expert about EU regulations, but perhaps anything that originates within the EU does not require disclosure of the country of origin. I can understand the logic, which is similar to avoiding a "Made in Ontario" or "Made in New Jersey" label as the Europeans move toward greater integration of their economies. But that does not explain why the Chinese product gets the sticker treatment. Maybe Marklin is saving money on printing boxes for each country.
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Hoffmann		#3 Posted : 17 September 2006 04:14:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,106 Location: Guelph, Ontario		Hello 7Gauges, Most Start-sets,Locomotives (value priced),Track and Cars are made in Hungary at a Marklin Factory. Switchboxes,decoders,turnout solonoids the 6021 and most electronics are made in China by a third Party. The Central Station is now made in the Tchech Republic. The high priced Locomotives are still made in Germany as well as many Trix Cars and Locomotives. I do not care where it is made as long as the QUALITY stays the same. Martin P.S. Your Volvo is made by Ford and as you know Ford is in real difficulty.
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stephenbb		#4 Posted : 17 September 2006 05:35:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,836 Location: Trumbull, CT		Whats made in Canada? Cars, trees, furniture, etc. does it really matter where its made as long as the standard of quality is the best. The real downside is loss of jobs, in those places that can't stay competative. Everything is being moved to lower cost countries. Soon all the foreign companies will be moving back to the places that buy their products. Look at the automotive industry more and more European and Asian companies are building factories in the USA. They are also producing better quality then the big three. The bottom line is quality and giving the consumer what they want at a fair price.
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steventrain		#5 Posted : 17 September 2006 12:45:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hoffmann <br /> Hello 7Gauges, The Central Station is now made in the Tchech Republic. Tchech Republic? Where is it location?
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Hemmerich		#6 Posted : 17 September 2006 15:06:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Hello "unknown" 7gauges, Märklin's own production facilities are knowingly listed on their homepage under "Unternehmen" "and "Märklin worldwide". It was already stated at the intro time of the first TRAXX loco that all those lower cost locos will be manuactured in Györ (kind of compensation for the discontinuance of metal cars, metal tracks and metal building kits. According to latest interviews, Märklin management is quite satisfied with the quality delivered by their Hungarian factory. Anything else what is stated here about China, Czech Rep., etc. is simple subcontracting or parts supply stuff like it's done today for most products, regardless of their brand name. Usually this relates to simple, easy to produce low cost items; i.e. quality risks tend to be lower. It would be interesting to see some picture examples of "Made in PRC" labels on Märkln products; apparently they only seem to exist in countries outside the E.U. (maybe a number of them are even the well known "China style make" [}:)]). There is yet a difference between U.S. and E.U. laws for the "Made in...". Whereas $1304 U.S.C.A. has a very strict specification on that, the corresponding E.U. law, although released in 2003, can still be applied discrete by European manufacturers today. PS: If you spend just one second looking at the revenue and in particular profit numbers for the last years, you need not to think any further about the reasons of work force reduction in G.
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al_pignolo		#7 Posted : 17 September 2006 16:22:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 904 Location: bologna, BO		I don't know if I go off-topic, but I've heard also that some Maeklin product are made by other manifacturers: for example, the Kof (#3680X) is produced by Brawa, the diesel "pendolino" by Fleischmann and so on... if this inormation is right. Anyway, as some of you say what really matters is quality!! Regards, Pietro
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MärCo		#8 Posted : 17 September 2006 16:25:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,159 Location: The Netherlands		The Hogwarts Castle and Thomas the Tank Engine by Hornby. The former engine shed and goods shed were Kibri products.
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steventrain		#9 Posted : 17 September 2006 17:34:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by MärCo <br />The Hogwarts Castle and Thomas the Tank Engine by Hornby. The former engine shed and goods shed were Kibri products. Yes,thats correct,There is more to come soon.
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Minibahn		#10 Posted : 17 September 2006 18:01:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/05/2004(UTC) Posts: 137 Location: ,		Hello, the first Maerklin Koef was produced by Brawa but the actual model is a maerklin product produced in China.The turntable is a Fleischmann product, the pendolino is basically developped by Fleischmann but afaik the AC-Version is produced by Maerklin. The H0 and Gauge 1 Kits like water tower, engine shed, signal tower and all Primex kits are from Heljan in Denmark. Maerklin sold products made by Bemo, Brawa, Brekina, Busch, Electrotren, Esu, Heico, Herpa, Hornby, Hübner, Norscot, Renner, Schuco, Trix, Viessmann, Wiking and others.
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David Dewar		#11 Posted : 17 September 2006 22:28:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,343 Location: Scotland		Martin. I thought my Vovlo was made in Sweden at the Volvo factory. It maybe owned by Ford but I thought the workers and designers were Swedish. Ford parts may be used of course but I expect my Volvo to be of higher quality and safety. Saab has the same with General Motors but are far ahead of Vauxhalls. David
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Piper		#12 Posted : 17 September 2006 23:29:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 262 Location: Johannesburg		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar <br />Martin. I thought my Vovlo was made in Sweden at the Volvo factory. It maybe owned by Ford but I thought the workers and designers were Swedish. Ford parts may be used of course but I expect my Volvo to be of higher quality and safety. Saab has the same with General Motors but are far ahead of Vauxhalls. David David Your righthand drive Mercedes C class, 3 Series BMW and VW Golf for the UK & Australia are made in South Africa. [^] The quality of the BMW are regarded as superiour to the German product. Most of the work force here speaks not German, but ZULU. So maybe that VOLVO and SAAB are not to bad either. I just hope they don't produce the CS and other high class Märklin products here in old SA. Pieter
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tayloma		#13 Posted : 18 September 2006 00:14:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 156 Location: Boksburg East, Gauteng		Hmmm, I dunno Pieter, if you consider some of the technbology that is still coming out of the CSIR in Pretoria, I'd rather buy a CS that was made in SA than one that gets made in China...??? If we can build BMW's and Mercecdes' here why not Marklin, more affordable and same quality?
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Hemmerich		#14 Posted : 18 September 2006 00:18:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Minibahn ... but the actual model is a maerklin product produced in China. Apparently that there exists a "remake facility" in Hongkong.
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Munich 1860		#15 Posted : 18 September 2006 00:54:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,058 Location: Neu-Ulm, Bavaria		The thread is called Märklin manufacturing locations yet nobody has mentioned the Märklin plants in Sonneberg and in Nürnberg. OK, they aren't the biggest around, but they do exist. Hans
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Hemmerich		#16 Posted : 18 September 2006 01:23:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Hi Hans, the manufacturing facility in Sonneberg is listed as well on the Märklin homepage at the link that I referred in my earlier posting. The complete list can also be found here: http://www.maerklin.de/unternehmen/ueberuns/inzahl.php
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7gauges		#17 Posted : 18 September 2006 03:56:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/12/2002(UTC) Posts: 328		Interesting that they don't list China as a manufacturing location - are they trying to hide something?
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hxmiesa		#18 Posted : 18 September 2006 12:56:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,520 Location: Spain		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar <br />Martin. I thought my Vovlo was made in Sweden at the Volvo factory. It maybe owned by Ford but I thought the workers and designers were Swedish. Ford parts may be used of course but I expect my Volvo to be of higher quality and safety. Saab has the same with General Motors but are far ahead of Vauxhalls. My Volvo is made in the Netherlands, at the former DAF factory. The car is the same as a Mitsubishi ("Lancer" I think?), except that my version costs 3000 euros more, and comes with less accessories. Oh well... ;-) Quality is not very high, but design and engineering seems to be very good. The motor (I understand that the 1.9l TDI comes from Renault?) is simply the BEST! Maybe its not a "real" Volvo ;-)
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Hemmerich		#19 Posted : 18 September 2006 13:22:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by 7gauges <br />Interesting that they don't list China as a manufacturing location - are they trying to hide something? Why should they? I think the answers were already given in response to your first question: "Does this mean the Marklin production in Hungary and China are under contract or are they Marklin owned and operated factories?" What are you after or still miss to understand? According to a recent model railroad press publication (IMHO MEB) the amount of Märklin "value generation" at their known published factories in relation to the total revenue is still extremely high. So, where's any/your issue?
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David Dewar		#20 Posted : 18 September 2006 15:37:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,343 Location: Scotland		As long as quality is good and all manufacture is inspected and checked by Marklin then where parts come from will probably be the cheapest country of production. Here in the UK we hardly manufacture anything but I am happy with Television, Hi fi, cameras etc all of which work well no matter where they are made. I have a high regard for items made in Germany and in the years to come China may well match for quality. David PS Henrik : Try a Volvo XC70 ...superb
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7gauges		#21 Posted : 18 September 2006 16:13:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/12/2002(UTC) Posts: 328		The issue is that at least the Z gauge stuff isn't actually made by Marklin - but made under contract in China - in a factory that Marklin doesn't obviously operate. Yet they don't seem to want to come clean on this matter. If it's made by Fungxhi Heavy Industrial in Guangzhou (or wherever) then at least be honest with your customer - and don't hide the fact that it is not a traditional Marklin manufactured product. Huebner clearly marks (and advertises) it's products as being designed in Germany and manufactured in either South Korea or China - and that has nothing to do with the fact that it is required to be marked as such on import to North America. I think Marklin feels they may lose some of their traditional customers if they admitted not actually manufacturing key items themselves (in either Nuernberg or Goeppingen) - and just contracting out manufacturing. .... and yes I am aware that some Brawa, Faller, Schuco etc etc aren't coming out of Germany - either - but at least the manufacturer admits to it. This is an issue of honesty ... there seems to be some confusion about it .....
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Hemmerich		#22 Posted : 18 September 2006 16:28:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar I have a high regard for items made in Germany ... Glad to hear, David! (especially with regards to reasons where and how this "Made in Germany" came about. ) I also like a recent interview statement from Mr. Adams "quality will always be as good as it had been demanded". We all know here too that quality is never for free. His other statement was directly about material sources (German text): "Wir haben reagiert - der deutsche Standort ist zu teuer - indem wir eben - Sonneberg hatten Sie genannt - aber insbesondere eben in Ungarn ein sehr stabiles, großes Produktionswerk haben, das wir unter Kontrolle haben, das unser eigenes Werk ist - aber auch wir kommen natürlich um Zukauf aus Fernost nicht umher." "Germany is too expensive - we have reacted as we have established in Sonneberg and Hungaria very stable, large production facilities - which we have well under control since they are our own factories; but even we have to purchase add-ons [obviously cheaper] from Far East."
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Minibahn		#23 Posted : 18 September 2006 17:02:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/05/2004(UTC) Posts: 137 Location: ,		Hello, a "little" difference, Mr. Adams (up to now CEO of Maerklin) did not speak from add-on parts but from additional purchase in Far East.
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Hemmerich		#24 Posted : 18 September 2006 17:57:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Minibahn <br />Hello, a "little" difference, Mr. Adams (up to now CEO of Maerklin) did not speak from add-on parts but from additional purchase in Far East. The German term "Zukauf" in general means "purchase" and could be applied to any items (even Harry Potter crap and rice corns! ). He unlikely meant "aqusition" of a Chinese toy company and hence it confirms one important fact which was discussed/questioned here earlier - that they don't have an own production facility in China. Purchase from suppliers is anyhow something most companies in this world do every day; nobody cares - and Märklin is no different.
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rugauger		#25 Posted : 18 September 2006 18:51:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/12/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,205 Location: Swindon, Wiltshire		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich ...Purchase from suppliers is anyhow something most companies in this world do every day; nobody cares - and Märklin is no different. And why should they be
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verheyen		#26 Posted : 18 September 2006 22:15:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 639 Location: ,		Because Märklin has to be made by frugal(unsymbadische)Swabians laboring over their forges casting metal and making gears by hand just as in grandfathers day. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by rugauger <br />And why should they be
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Hoffmann		#27 Posted : 19 September 2006 03:37:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,106 Location: Guelph, Ontario		Hello Peter, I am sure you mean no disrespect for the Schwaben in your last post after all those frugal Schwoabs brought you those thought after Maerklin Trains from the 1940 to 1960. Not to mention the Bosch Fuelinjection,ABS Brakes, Porsche Cars ( which seems to do very well being located in Stuttgart ). First Class Surgical Instruments and Automated Packaging Machinery. Liebherr Cranes which are used worldwide and the list goes on. By the way most PATENTS registered in Germany do come from Baden-Wuerttemberg. It is a pity that most Germans have forgoten how to support their own Industrie and Comerce. We, this means me as well are allways looking for the best Price on any given Item and then we are surprised when Companies go and do the same. " How many times have we are driven arround the City to find the cheapest Gas-Station ". There is a schwaben saying: As a young Man drives up a hill at his drivers test he applied the Hand brake and the Examiner asked him why he is doing this, the young Man replied "" Doa hoat my Grossfadder g'migt,my Fadder g'migt on doa mig i au "" Translation: on this hill my Grandfather put the brake on on his Cart and so did my Father and whats good enough for them is good enough for me. Schwoabs are in general very stubborn which leads most people to think that they are out of touch with the real world, I for one think that a real Schwoab ( just a few of them left ) has still a lot to offer when it comes to making and developing good Products, be that Cars or Model-Trains
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Minibahn		#28 Posted : 19 September 2006 11:08:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/05/2004(UTC) Posts: 137 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Minibahn <br />Mr. Adams (up to now CEO of Maerklin) Hello, now it is officially, Mr. Adams is leaving Marklin. http://de.biz.yahoo.com/1909200...maerklin-umsatzplus.html
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Hemmerich		#29 Posted : 19 September 2006 15:50:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hoffmann By the way most PATENTS registered in Germany do come from Baden-Wuerttemberg. No surprise either that most model railroad patents have been issued by a wellknown company in Göppingen.
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7gauges		#30 Posted : 19 September 2006 19:34:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/12/2002(UTC) Posts: 328		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Maerklin had a finished product which was either produced in China or not, or parts for that were bought in China. But the product was assembled in Germany and thats the most important thing. Firstly the word/idiom "Zukauf" translated into an english expression means "to purchase or supply (parts or components)". Secondly - for a product to be labelled as made in China (or anywhere )and shipped to Canada or the US - implies the finished product was manufactured / or assembled in that country - in this case the finished Z scale VT is purely of chinese origin - and would have been shipped in the Marklin box right out of China. In this case the product was never assembled in Germany. ... had the product been assembled in Germany (which would make absolutely no sense) with Foreign parts - it would still bear the label Made in EU or Germany (for that matter). All I am saying is that Marklin admit that some series of their products are not manufactured in the EU / Germany - and are wholly finished in the far east - and not pass them off as Swabian precision craftsmanship - there is nothing wrong with the chinese maerklin stuff - seems reliable so far - but simply admit that they are likely coming out of the same plant in a totalitarian communist dictatorship that Hornby, Lilliput and Bachman are coming out of ..... Maybe Marklin should look at production centres in Cuba and North Korea s well - if China becomes to expensive ......
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Webmaster		#31 Posted : 20 September 2006 03:22:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,161		Some models are obviously made in China, as the newer Köf, the Goliath crane and maybe a few more... I would not be surprised if they are made by the same subcontractor as Bachmann/Liliput uses... I would not be surprised if many more complete models are made there, since it would be more expensive to make parts and ship them to Germany for assembly. Maybe some standard parts that are used in high volumes as eg wheels, couplers, brushes and such are also made there separately... Subcontractors for plastic/metal moldings, electronics assembly and so on can be found all over the world... The Swedish IKEA is an example of how to make subcontracting standard constructions all over the world with some price pressure a big business, and their ingenious idea that the customers themselves do the most manual labour intensive and time consuming assembly, instead of paid workers, is what really keep their prices down... Which suddenly reminds me of the loco & wagon kits Märklin had in the 60:s....
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Jeremy Palmer		#32 Posted : 20 September 2006 05:48:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,464 Location: St. Michael, Barbados		Hi All, Jeremy from Barbados here, the first, second, third and last most electrically and mechanically challenged person in this forum. I assure you I fill the middle positions as well!! I joined this wonderful forum and have met some teriific folks, too many to list here. UNFAILINGLY HELPFUL WITH KNOWLEDGE, ENCOURAGEMENT and last but not least, taking the TIME and INTEREST to pass that learning on. And of course Luis' reviews that make you buy more trains. Never in the time I have been a member have I come across remarks so deliberately phrased as to cause vitriol and ill will. I accept that there may be differences of opinion as to whether this model is more true to the oriiginal than that one and so on. But personal attacks? Posts that our esteemed webmaster has to delete?? Has someone or something entered our little group in the past few weeks that I have missed? Please enlighten me. Cheers !! from the islands, jeremy.
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7gauges		#33 Posted : 20 September 2006 07:52:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/12/2002(UTC) Posts: 328		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:The Swedish IKEA is an example of how to make subcontracting standard constructions all over the world with some price pressure a big business, and their ingenious idea that the customers themselves do the most manual labour intensive and time consuming assembly, instead of paid workers, is what really keep their prices down... Which suddenly reminds me of the loco & wagon kits Märklin had in the 60:s.... The Ikea stuff is marked with country of origin / manufacture - and there is a fair trade disclosure in our local store with regard to not exploiting child or other labour (in 3rd & 2nd world countries as well) as well...... I did forget that the Goliath was chinese as well - I really like like it though, much more elegant and well built than my Roco Digi-Kran - Goliath is appropriately marked with country of origin - it was bought in N.America, afterall. I quite like the old Marklin loco and wagon kits - if I only had the time to start assembling them - I've accumulated two of every HO kit Marklin made - I figure build one - leave the other unbuilt, purely for investment purposes.
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john black		#34 Posted : 20 September 2006 14:40:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster <br />Well, through the history of this forum only one member has been blocked ... And it was that Nigerian mobile phone salesperson, who messed up ... Nice comparison. Guess this was Webmaster's last warning [}:)]
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David Dewar		#35 Posted : 20 September 2006 16:32:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,343 Location: Scotland		I dont know whats going on here but it sure is not model rail. I am happy to argue my point for Marklin products but I dont expect members to be called names (which I dont understand anyway) I would delete this thread but then I dont have the patience of our Webmaster. David
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soren36		#36 Posted : 20 September 2006 16:36:42(UTC) Retweet
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john black		#37 Posted : 20 September 2006 17:00:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw <br />Lets just close off this topic Please no, my friend - this topic by Mister 7 is most interesting stuff But perhaps can Juhan erase all that junk - and let God sort 'em out [}:)][}:)][}:)]
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Hemmerich		#38 Posted : 20 September 2006 17:16:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black Please no, my friend - this topic by Mister 7 is most interesting stuff Oh YES, John! There is surely nothing more interesting in the world than knowing which Märklin "bolts and screws" still smell like Chinese joss sticks. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: But perhaps can Juhan erase all that junk - and let God sort 'em out [}:)][}:)][}:)] Indeed - and "junk" is just a very polite description!
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7gauges		#39 Posted : 20 September 2006 17:34:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/12/2002(UTC) Posts: 328		...Edited by Webmaster... .... and don't misunderstand - the question of the origin of the products is important - because Marklin is sold and advertised as a premium German precision engineered and manufactured product - if some stuff is made elsewhere - under contract - then say so - but don't try to snow the customer by not marking things appropriately. All I can say is that if the new Marklin administration decides to move more production from europe to the far east and charge the same premium price - I am finished with the product line - they will have lost one of their best customers - at least my wife and bank account will be happy with that ....
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john black		#40 Posted : 20 September 2006 17:42:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by 7gauges <br />Interesting that they don't list China as a manufacturing location - are they trying to hide something? Yeah. Still worse - no country of origin on new locos, anymore. Can be anywhere ...
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Guus		#41 Posted : 20 September 2006 18:12:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Hi all, Made in Germany once was and most probably still is synonymous with high quality. Made in Germany thereby also is/was a quality stamp widely misused by less scrupulous manufacturers. This is in a nutshell how I interpret the tenor of this topic. Isn't it the quality of the product we're all looking for? I don't care where the product is made as long as the same high standards are maintained. And if the product is manufactured in a low cost country then the customer must have the benefit of a lower price. Call me naive but,Engineered in Germany and made in whatever country the German staff think is suitable,wouldn't worry me too much. Just my two pennies worth of thoughts. Kind regards Guus
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Hemmerich		#42 Posted : 20 September 2006 18:13:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by 7gauges if some stuff is made elsewhere - under contract - then say so Didn't Mr. Adams say just that? Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:All I can say is that if the new Marklin administration decides to move more production from europe to the far east and charge the same premium price... What is/are your solution suggestions? (assuming that you are well aware that the labor cost in Germany does not allow neccessary profitability).
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alonso231gery		#43 Posted : 20 September 2006 18:15:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,957 Location: Hellas (Athens)		What about made in Switzerland.
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Guus		#44 Posted : 20 September 2006 18:26:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: What about made in Switzerland As long as its made in Mörshwil and has a pickup shoe then it is most welcome on my tracks Guus
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Hemmerich		#45 Posted : 20 September 2006 18:46:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus And if the product is manufactured in a low cost country then the customer must have the benefit of a lower price. Which is likely the case since the price would be much higher if the product was still manufactured in a high cost country. Simple example - the TRAXX locos would be quite a bit more expensive if they were manufactured in Göppingen instead of Györ. The box of the new beauty #39572 still indicates "Märklin, Stuttgarter Strasse 55-57, D-73033 Göppingen". On the rear side it commits: "Tradition","Qualität","Emotion","Innovation". They look just great (both the box and the loco)! Any issues with that?
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David Dewar		#46 Posted : 20 September 2006 18:51:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,343 Location: Scotland		As long as I get good quality models etc where it is made does not bother me providing it is not from a country where they are trying to blow me up cos they dont like me. If Marklin have to produce in China or elsewhere in order to keep the firm going and provide us with the quality we want then what is wrong with that. What is worse is I have now got involved in a thread that I dont want to get involved in ...time for a beer and run some trains. The beer seems to come from the USA and its good stuff. David
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steventrain		#47 Posted : 20 September 2006 18:56:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus And if the product is manufactured in a low cost country then the customer must have the benefit of a lower price. Which is likely the case since the price would be much higher if the product was still manufactured in a high cost country. Simple example - the TRAXX locos would be quite a bit more expensive if they were manufactured in Göppingen instead of Györ. The box of the new beauty #39572 still indicates "Märklin, Stuttgarter Strasse 55-57, D-73033 Göppingen". On the rear side it commits: "Tradition","Qualität","Emotion","Innovation". They look just great (both the box and the loco)! Any issues with that? I have 39572 as well,Same boxed too.There is also 37083,37031 same boxed as well.
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Guus		#48 Posted : 20 September 2006 19:02:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:originally posted by Lutz: Any issues with that? None at all Lutz,I'm still prepared to pay a premium if its of good quality and from the old trusted factory in Göppingen. Just like I do for a BMW or is that a bad comparison for someone living in the neighbourhood of Stuttgart . Kind regards Guus
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john black		#49 Posted : 20 September 2006 19:17:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar <br />The beer seems to come from the USA and is good stuff Thanks, David. And that's how friends shall be - you like our beer and we love your Scotch [:p]
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alonso231gery		#50 Posted : 20 September 2006 19:23:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,957 Location: Hellas (Athens)		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: What about made in Switzerland As long as its made in Mörshwil and has a pickup shoe then it is most welcome on my tracks Guus [^]
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