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Markey		#1 Posted : 01 January 2024 10:11:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/02/2022(UTC) Posts: 12 Location: Westport Co Mayo		Hello I have a number of locos in my Collection with C-Sine Motors. One ref 39832 is up on 20yrs old now i run them from time to time. For people useing locos with csine motors on regular basis how did they last long term for them.

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kimballthurlow		#2 Posted : 01 January 2024 10:24:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,669 Location: Brisbane, Australia		I have the ICE 39710 released in 1999. It still worked when I tried it 6 months ago. The Märklin website has only this reference: "1999 Club model powered rail car train ICE-S (art. 39710): Märklin uses a C-sinus motor for the first time" Kimball
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mvd71		#3 Posted : 01 January 2024 10:43:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,729 Location: Auckland,		First generation c-sine motors have never failed for me, but the SDS units are not so good.

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bph		#4 Posted : 01 January 2024 11:54:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 997		The motors are quite good, but sometimes the driver electronics fail. Had to replace the driver electronics in my 39710, but kept the original motor.

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marklinist5999		#5 Posted : 01 January 2024 12:03:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,142 Location: Michigan, Troy		I have two with the first generation Csine. A BR 103, and a Taurus. Both still run flawless.

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The Crocodile		#6 Posted : 02 January 2024 13:31:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/12/2019(UTC) Posts: 111		I too own the 39710 insider ICE-S set, it has been working very well for me and is showing no signs of breaking down on me anytime soon. If I may sneak in a question here, I was wondering how often you guys lubricate it, if at all? I know there are a lot of different opinions regarding oiling Märklin locos, and most 39710 material claims the C-sinus motor is “maintenance free”, but I am guessing that is referring to the fact that it is brushless, but still requires oil lubrication. So how often, how much and where do you oil your C-sinus motors?
		C-track, temporary layout. I try to run my locos as much as possible:)

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marklinist5999		#7 Posted : 02 January 2024 15:05:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,142 Location: Michigan, Troy		No oil very often. We don't want oil geting into the rotor/stator. A tiny drop of gear oil on the bogie gear.

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JohnjeanB		#8 Posted : 02 January 2024 17:31:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,130 Location: Paris, France		Hi Markey I have over 10 C-sine / SDS (Soft Drive Sinus) locos. A very old one is a E94 issued in 2004 with a full size sinus motor They are well better than newer ones when it comes to silence, slow speed etc. They are not maintained by Märklin anymore so beware of electric shock when opening one NEVER service the motor (oil the ball bearing). Sadly also they come with simplified sound decoders or nearby cheap sound module. I just upgraded a SDS loco I love the SNCF CC 40108 using a mSD3 and it runs as well but with all the sounds I wanted using mDecoderTool3 and my CS3. The SDS and C-Sine locos are very praised because of their magnificent rolling properties Cheers Jean
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Mark5		#9 Posted : 04 January 2024 08:13:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,420 Location: Montreal, Canada		I have the insider model grey Franco-Crosti 39160 BR 42 with C-sine motor and it appears the decoder was fried. Some years ago I sent a a query to Marklin about fixing it but never followed through. What is the simplest way to replace the decoder with a newer one, are there decoders that would be simple/complex enough to use in replacement?
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JohnjeanB		#10 Posted : 04 January 2024 10:51:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,130 Location: Paris, France		Hi Mark This loco was released in 2000-2001 with a Sinus motor (Full size early model) not a Compact Sinus (C-Sinus), not a Softdrive Sinus (SDS) Here is the motor and loco part Here is the electronics in tender So from what I see (I may be wrong, it must be checked) the electronics is all in one piece and if EITHER the motor is bad OR the ELECTRONICS is bad, then no simple repair can be made. No repair from Märklin to be expected. There is a company in Switzerland providing replacement drive electronics There is a company in Germany to replace Sinus motors with DC ones (then a mSD3 will do to drive it Sadly I don't remember their names. Maybe someone can help? Cheers Jean
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ktsolias		#11 Posted : 04 January 2024 12:18:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/05/2016(UTC) Posts: 610 Location: Athens		Originally Posted by: Markey Hello I have a number of locos in my Collection with C-Sine Motors. One ref 39832 is up on 20yrs old now i run them from time to time. For people using locos with csine motors on regular basis how did they last long term for them. Hi have a look here https://www.sb-modellbau...ES64U_Flachlaeufer_22161 They sell the motors and they provide and full replacement service. Excellent but a bit to slow the repairs due to much work. I have done some by myself with excellent results, but experience is needed. Best regards Costas

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Mark5		#12 Posted : 04 January 2024 13:22:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,420 Location: Montreal, Canada		I am wondering if buying a new one on ebay would be easier, but leaving it without fixing it really goes against my nature. I will take a closer look at it first. I did really like how it seemed to have a very smooth running ability.
		DB DR FS NS SNCF c. 1950-65, fan of station architecture esp. from 1920-70. In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?

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Kiko		#13 Posted : 09 January 2024 22:32:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/02/2017(UTC) Posts: 61 Location: Ottawa, ON		Originally Posted by: Markey For people useing locos with csine motors on regular basis how did they last long term for them. Hello Markey, I have a few C-Sine locos: BR01.10 #39103; BR151 #39581; V200 #39821. All are original from the early 2000s. After 20+ years, they run really-really well with hardly any maintenance. My only complaint is that the sound is pathetic. For such beautiful locos with great running characteristics (even at crawl speed), it's a shame that we can't easily upgrade the sound. I've added capacitors to the three locos in order to help the sound module from cutting in and out whenever there's a slight power drop. This helps somewhat, but the sound electronics sometimes just forget to output any sound. Then, all of a sudden, they start outputing sound! There's also a noticeable delay when sound is activated (i.e., horn should sound before a bridge, but it's delayed until half way accross or just does not sound at all). The C-Sine motor itself does not care if there are short power interruptions. -- it just keeps rolling along. I hope this helps.
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franciscohg		#14 Posted : 10 January 2024 03:09:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,274 Location: Patagonia		Hello For the old sine motors in wich the electronic of the motor and decoder are inetgrated in the same PCB for repairing and/or upgrading to newer sound (or not) decoders, you can get the electronic board with Mr Erich Iten in switzerland at www.rail4you.ch Of course you will also need a suitable decoder also. For this particular loco wich has not a flex strip to connect the motor to the board but cables, you will also need an adapter wich is also provided by Mr Iten. I have used them in several locos to upgrade to better sound decoders, and the work great. here you can see the results with an old 39221 ?si=9CuYWLr3JXI7VeXc and a thread about such conversion here https://www.marklin-user...-ch-DsM-2-0-driver-board Regards
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Bryan		#15 Posted : 10 January 2024 20:50:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/09/2010(UTC) Posts: 211 Location: Bowral, NSW, Australia		There is a company in Germany that specialises in repairing Marklin C - Sine locos. It is called DR Feurst - https://www.drfuerstgmbh.de They promote that anything can be repaired. They are also a registered Marklin Service Provider, which is quite rare, so should be good. It has been stated they can repair the original driver boards with SMD installation capabilities. David
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