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#201 Posted : 24 May 2020 21:01:38(UTC)
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Kind of like that?
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Good idea.
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#202 Posted : 26 September 2020 19:17:09(UTC)
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Normally I am not a fan of ovals. However, the compact Canyon City RR track plan by the late George Bastert caught my attention, because offers many features of general interest (at least for me). In my C track translation it measures 110 x 190 cm.
Canyon2020City1.png
The single level construction is rather simple. Having all turnouts accessible from the front, the layout can be "surrounded" by three walls. Train meets are possible, the highway overpass allows to hide an entire train, thus making a train run seem to be long(er). There are both siding capacity and switching potential. Stub tracks disappearing "in the distance" under the overpass plus the placement of mirrors add scenic depth and simulate a connection to a greater world.
CC2020list.png
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#203 Posted : 27 September 2020 15:17:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post

Canyon2020City1.png

I especially love this...
Screen Shot 2020-09-27 at 11.12.47 PM.png

where you've managed to keep standard R1/R2 spacing and alignment at each end of the "parallel" curve with assorted switches, weird and wonderful track assortment and also easements! Very neat.

- Herman
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#204 Posted : 06 February 2021 01:05:09(UTC)
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I like the versatile routing potential of plan no. 66 in 101 Track Plans by Model Railroader Books. The original plan proposes a river maze and hills in the middle. The stub terminal could have any size, and it could bend around the upper curve or go straight on a shelf. The corpus measures 250 x 140 cm.
ESGE1.pngESGE1-3D.png
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#205 Posted : 06 February 2021 14:19:15(UTC)
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Ah yes Ak, the old Eureka, Shasta & Great Eastern Railway. Nice out and back plan with the option for continuous running. I like 82 and 84.

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#206 Posted : 06 February 2021 14:41:02(UTC)
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Curved turnouts allow for condensing to +200 cm x +120 cm , while keeping easements and extend ramp as well as return loop lengths. Ruling grade is 3% now.
ESGE2.pngESGE2b.png
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#207 Posted : 06 February 2021 14:46:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rbw993 Go to Quoted Post
Ah yes Ak, the old Eureka, Shasta & Great Eastern Railway. Nice out and back plan with the option for continuous running.
Well, your recent Granite Gorge & Northern interpretation in C major, I mean C track, encouraged me to follow your path.


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I like 82 and 84.
Yes, so do I, but one needs rather a garage space for those.

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#208 Posted : 06 February 2021 19:11:45(UTC)
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In New England garage spaces aren't so great at -5C and below. Fortunately basements are common.

I also like the 6th plan in the Atlas book. I am thinking of doing a C interpretation of that. I won't build it as I've got Immensee to finish. I've drawn track plans since I was a kid, especially when I was bored in school. Drawing nice smooth intertwined lines was soothing.
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#209 Posted : 06 February 2021 21:25:07(UTC)
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Soothing it is, kind of like solving crosswords puzzles. About plan 82: I am intrigued by the space and face saving solution to have the return loop "under-pass" the stub terminal and serve the freight yard. As usual in the book, ramps are audacious, but that can be overcome.
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#210 Posted : 06 February 2021 22:45:55(UTC)
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The grades are definitely steep on the branch and from Chelsea to Woodville Tower but I don't think that long trains were typical on home layouts back in '56 when this was first published. Good reason to run a helper up to Albion. Though I assume the traffic would be empties up and loads down.
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#211 Posted : 07 February 2021 13:53:56(UTC)
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Plan 82 inspired poor man´s Toledo module on 1 x 2 m, gradient 5% down and 3.5% up
Toledo1b.pngToledo1.pngToledo1a.png

Edit - reminds me of Bilbao´s Abando train station - see attached aerial photograph.
2017 01 ETS bilbao Abando_V08-REFUNDIDO.pdf (4,987kb) downloaded 56 time(s).
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#212 Posted : 07 February 2021 14:34:35(UTC)
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They want to ruin it. There'll be no more train watching!!!
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#213 Posted : 26 May 2021 12:11:51(UTC)
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I posted this in another thread, but for the sake of completeness I think it should be cross-referenced here.
Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
When I returned to the hobby, I was attracted by port scenes, like the track plan "Am Hafen" on page 54 in "Das Gleisplanbuch - Das C-Gleis" by Maerklin. Inspired by the latter, a 4x8 ft layout could look like this:
hzs-art.png
Construction is rather easy. The absence of tunnels, diagonal orientation, double-track double-train operations and the long bridges add visual interest.
hzs3d.png
Uphill grades are 5% when climbing on the outer tracks, i.e. operating in German right-hand mode, but no problem for the rather short trains to run on such a layout.

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#214 Posted : 28 May 2021 22:45:12(UTC)
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Same, same.
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Or something completely different for 4x8 ft. A rough sketch without such luxuries as easements at the beginning of curves. Two separate levels which can be operated independently.
sa2021ma-3d.png
Both levels are connected via wyes and a bridge. Like that trains can be turned in either direction.
sa2021ma art.png
both levels
sa2021ma-o-all.pngl
upper level
sa2021ma-o.png
lower level
sa2021ma-u.png

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#215 Posted : 29 May 2021 17:20:55(UTC)
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Further centralising filing.
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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
One set up I am considering is the one below.

I realize that this set up is usually used for race cars... but I do like it.

Does anyone know how to do it with Marklin...]

For example on a 38" x 74" surface:
8b.png
Elevations expressed in cm:
8.png
The 24094 gaps do not matter in reality.

P.S.: For easing the task of climbing, trains should use the R2 curves for uphill trips. Thus, this draft is geared towards left-hand traffic operators (like in Italy). For others, the over- and underpass combination should be flipped to allow for a R2 uphill running under a right-hand regime.


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#216 Posted : 09 September 2021 11:17:07(UTC)
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Another cross reference.
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How about "piercing" one pretzel circle to connect the TT?
ocram2-183x122.png
Swinging on 183x122 cm.
Ocram1-202x116.png
Straight on 202x116 cm.

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#217 Posted : 12 September 2021 00:32:46(UTC)
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Up to now I was in the pursuit of:
(1) a pike offering a long main line run together with the capacity of storing and displaying most (if not all) of my rolling stock;
(2) lightweight modular pop-up methods for easy dis- and re-assembly.

I am pleased with the current twisted multi-level behemoth. However, I like puzzling, tinkering and fiddling around. So for a long time I was pondering over the ultimate ideal layout approach (for people like myself). I do not mean to implement this right now, maybe it will never materialize. However, I want to be prepared as moving houses (or rooms in houses) is a latent thread/threat in my life.

Drawing on my experience, I dare to say that on my layouts one does only focus on one scene at a time, the eyes travelling with a moving train. Thus, I believe that a simple sophisticated single level layout equipped with a central divider (at least 1 ft tall) suffices to fool oneself. I try to stay as close as possible to a 2 m length limit, as this a guarantee to fit into most spaces (a standard European single bed mattress measures 2x0.9 m). The concept:
2021dbl8scheme1.png
In an ideal situation access from three sides would be possible (top/left/bottom). As a compromise, full access from two sides (top/left) would work with the central divider mounted diagonally for maximum exposure of the yard ladders.

Passenger trains would be short, or divided into two segments when parked on the stub spurs. Freight trains: The reversing loops allows for multiple locos + 12 (or more) tin plate box cars + caboose. The sidings can hold at least 7 tin plate box cars (max. 9). Since the entire train would never be visible, size doesn’t matter, I expect.

Multi-tasking: The double track could function as - surprise - double track/lap siding/main line vs. switching lead.

Outdoor mock-up exercise - the dimensions are 122 x 222 cm.
image1.jpeg

The track plan - never mind the gaps.
PRETZEL2021basis-r1.png
The 241xx piece represents the customized C track segment presented here (post no. 288): https://www.marklin-user...d-innovations#post637494

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#218 Posted : 12 September 2021 12:28:38(UTC)
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I like this sort of layout - you can use the city side when you want to focus on operations and the other side when you just want to watch trains run by.

Perhaps just model the end of the platform as it disappears under the city and use the two sidings marked "passenger" as a post office track and a commissary. Then you can attach/detach postal vans & restaurant cars from the train in the station and run them to/from these sidings. Also lets you run longer passenger trains.

Additionally, if you were to build this sort of layout a bit higher off the ground than usual, it would make it harder to see the entire layout in one go and so makes the scenes more convincing.

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#219 Posted : 12 September 2021 19:11:38(UTC)
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In that case the track plan could be condensed (to 115 x 200 cm) and simplified.

pretzel2021straight2pierced+.png

Crossover positions can be changed as one sees fit.
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#220 Posted : 20 November 2021 23:51:30(UTC)
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A multi-deck concept study on a 90 x 180 cm surface, which is to be expanded according to individual taste and needs. Station trackage omitted at this stage. In this condensed configuration the mainline stretches over 12 m between the lower and upper level turnouts.
mr2v.png
There are no tunnels, but a number of drive-throughs at the level 1 and 3 exit/entries as well as in the middle of level 2. The level 1 ceiling is 20 cm high with an open „theater stage“ in the front while the rear are is obscured by level 2 supports. Level 2 has a partial 20 cm high ceiling and a partially no ceiling at all due to level 3 being an open gallery; on level 2 the transition between the covered „diorama“ (visible from the front) and the „open range“ (visible from front and rear) is separated by a rock wall (doubling as a support of the upper level 3) with drive-throughs.
2022MR2a.png
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#221 Posted : 21 November 2021 11:42:20(UTC)
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More info: In the condensed version, the ruling grade would be ca. 3.5%. Of course stretching the surface would decrease the gradient and allow for wider curve radii. To benefit from the open range scene 3, layout access would be needed from two sides.

Front(al) view:
mr2vne.png
Lateral view:
mr2r.png
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#222 Posted : 21 November 2021 15:29:29(UTC)
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A link to two threads of a proliferating C track layout planner with unusual designs on the Stummiforum:

Rectangle:
https://www.stummiforum....it-Maerklin-C-Gleis.html

L-shape:
https://www.stummiforum....it-Maerklin-C-Gleis.html

Edited by user 30 July 2024 18:00:03(UTC)  | Reason: Changed "proliferative" to "proliferating".

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#223 Posted : 04 December 2021 10:39:41(UTC)
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Further to post 221, elaborating on scene 3 vistas from the rear. Cinemascope - the open range stretches over all levels .

2022 MR2d-b.png

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#224 Posted : 05 December 2021 11:53:02(UTC)
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Just a finger exercise.

c2e1.png

Artificially extended double-track mainline on condensed oddly shaped "corner module" (upper ledge = 170 cm); in-and-out operation from stub terminal on separate "shelf"; concealed reverse loop on lower level of "corner module"; R1 and R2 curves and 4% ruling grade.

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#225 Posted : 11 December 2021 00:10:35(UTC)
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Simple carpentry, semi-shelf layout on 110 cm x 200 cm baseboard.
dd0.png

Front view (open range), track rising from 0 cm to 28 cm, upper view block optional.
dd2.png

Rear view (2 stacked shelves, 26 cm height difference between tracks), upper view block optional.
dd1.png

The only concealed and tunneled section marked in red.
2021DD1tp.png

Ramp lengths between levels (= 270 cm each) allow for easy grades. Minimum siding length in this configuration = 255 cm.

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#226 Posted : 11 December 2021 19:45:13(UTC)
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Quick and clean results possible with a flat board plus a ramp by Woodland Scenics. The principle is an „encased“ and thus concealed single level pretzel „surrounded" by visible track and crowned by a return loop.
aa1.png
The intended operation pattern looks complicated at first (and also at second) glance. It offers very long travels. Starting in the pretzel on the green division, a train leaves the tunnel district and surrounds the outside of the entire pretzel on the low line before crossing its own path after having entered the pretzel tunnel district again. Following the blue return loop path, the train exits the tunnel district and continues on the yellow-orange division; at the end of the straight stretch its ascent to the high line begins, where it ends its trip at the end of the return loop. After some time a trip is made in reverse order. A full round trip on a 110 x 210 cm surface baseboard equals a stupefying +30 m run. Except for the turnout a the junction of the green and the yellow-orange divisions (which needs to be thrown by the operator), sprung turnouts ensure an „automatic“ train routing without giant hand intervention.
bb1.png
The 3D image shows a 110 x 210 cm surface sketch. Sidings to be added arbitrarily and size to be stretched at will.
cc1.png
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#227 Posted : 11 December 2021 21:42:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
......
The 3D image shows a 110 x 210 cm surface sketch. Sidings to be added arbitrarily and size to be stretched at will.
cc1.png


Hello AK,

The 3D image has an added connection in bottom left on the outer circle to ensure that a train can run on the base level round-and-round.
That gives the option of running 2 trains on the layout simultaneaously.
Very clever use of the sprung turnout feature.

Kimball
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#228 Posted : 03 June 2022 08:23:59(UTC)
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An extended single-level dogbone mainline run on 300 x 120 cm. As I did not have enough spare turnouts (without dismantling my existing layout), I only managed to demonstrate the basic functionality - see image.
3x1v2.jpg
The depressed water course separates the rail lines to add plausibility. I reckon that some easement squeeze-ment is still possible. Furthermore, the yard can still be improved. And of course, crossovers are needed on the right side.
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#229 Posted : 21 August 2022 01:47:08(UTC)
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Inspired by the Atlas track plan HO-8 from Book #9, size reduzed to 175 x 175 cm (if laid out on L-shape surface) by using mainly R1 radius curves.
SB1a Kopie.jpg
The twisted mainline measures 11 m in length. Now, if I can find room for a yard...

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#230 Posted : 21 August 2022 07:16:06(UTC)
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Quick and clean results possible with a flat board plus a ramp by Woodland Scenics. The principle is an „encased“ and thus concealed single level pretzel „surrounded" by visible track and crowned by a return loop.
aa1.png
....


That last continuous line folded on itself is quite something; the one on your wood flooring.
You should jot down the C track used for that.. if that is what it is

As for the above layout in the image reposted, I would be a concerned with having four somewhat complex switches underground, so to speak.

Access is your friend.


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In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?
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#231 Posted : 21 August 2022 12:07:02(UTC)
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..., I would be a concerned with having four somewhat complex switches underground, so to speak.

Access is your friend.
Maerklin sprung C track turnouts allow for "mechanic automation".
2017dbl1loop-mania.png
Since my 20 year old C track turnout springs still work flawlessly, I consider this to be maintenance-free.
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#232 Posted : 21 August 2022 13:02:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark5 Go to Quoted Post
That last continuous line folded on itself is quite something; the one on your wood flooring.
You should jot down the C track used for that.. if that is what it is
It is.
BigGrin

The track plan of the "super pretzel":
Superpretzel1.jpg

C track inventory:

001 24064 : 2
002 24077 : 1
003 24107 : 1
004 24115 : 2
005 24130 : 25
006 24172 : 3
007 24188 : 2
008 24206 : 2
009 24207 : 2
010 24215 : 2
011 24224 : 2
012 24230 : 3
013 24236 : 4
014 24315 : 1
015 24330 : 1
016 24430 : 2
017 24640 : 2
018 24649 : 2
019 24912 : 2
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#233 Posted : 21 August 2022 13:28:46(UTC)
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Iteration 1: Replace one of the 24640 crossings with a 2462x double slip switch, thereby allowing to turn a train into any direction, back and forth.
Superpretzel2.jpg
Iteration 2: Add three short sidings. To quote the description by Atlas about their track plan HO-8 from Book #9: "This layout accommodates very long main line with three passing tracks. With such a longline, you will want to work out a simple timetable, first for two trains running in opposite directions, then later for two trains following each other, with the faster one overtaking and passing the slower at the different sidings".
Superpretzel3b.png
Iteration 3: Add long sidings, thereby creating a triangular layout shape. This allows to run longer trains. With the help of the double slip switch both dog bone operation and continuous runs are possible.
Superpretzel3a.png
P.S.: Actually the yard is located in a return loop.
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#234 Posted : 21 August 2022 13:44:47(UTC)
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Iteration 3: Add long sidings, thereby creating a triangular layout shape. This allows to run longer trains. With the help of the double slip switch both dog bone operation and continuous runs are possible.


Replacing the other 24640 with a double slip allows the trains in the blue sidings to reverse direction.

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#235 Posted : 21 August 2022 14:16:45(UTC)
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Replacing the other 24640 with a double slip allows the trains in the blue sidings to reverse direction.
Not needed, as having only one 2462x as per iteration 1 (while keeping one 24640 in place) does already the job and enforces an extended a main line run (which is what I want).
Wink

Superpretzel2a.pngSuperpretzel2b.png
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#236 Posted : 21 August 2022 14:57:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post

Iteration 3: Add long sidings, thereby creating a triangular layout shape. This allows to run longer trains. With the help of the double slip switch both dog bone operation and continuous runs are possible.


Replacing the other 24640 with a double slip allows the trains in the blue sidings to reverse direction.

To further illustrate why one double slip suffices in the case of iteration 3:
Superpretzel3c.png

Why to keep the "unmarked" stretch of track then? Because this functions as yard bypass when a train is routed on the continuous mainline run on the 11 m long twisted oval course; simulating a transcontinetal trip, a train does not call at a station for extended periods of time after all.
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#237 Posted : 24 September 2022 00:31:27(UTC)
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Mirrored, double slip turnout replaced by Hostenträger crossing, diamond crossing placed in center of S-curves plus easements introduced at beginnng of curves, new yard location proposed.
Superpretzel5rev-a.png
Surface (outer legs) infllated to 197 x 214 cm.

C track inventory:

001 24064 3
002 24071 6
003 24077 7
004 24107 1
005 24130 17
006 24172 4
007 24188 4
008 24206 6
009 24207 2
010 24215 2
011 24224 1
012 24230 10
013 24236 2
014 24330 5
015 24360 2
016 24430 4
017 24530 3
018 24611 2
019 24612 2
020 24640 1
021 24649 3
022 24671 1
023 24711 1
024 24712 2
025 24912 9

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#238 Posted : 24 September 2022 11:05:03(UTC)
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Three mainline options (plus optional train meets).
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#239 Posted : 12 October 2022 15:25:20(UTC)
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Curves matured on 170 x 225 cm.
Superpretzel9.jpgBildschirmfoto 2022-10-12 um 14.22.36.png
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#240 Posted : 13 October 2022 13:51:32(UTC)
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That "Super-Pretzel" is hilarious! -Especially the first one without the DKW... LOL
-and nice integration into a layout with the DKW-enhanced pretzel!
Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
http://hoexbroe.tripod.com
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#241 Posted : 10 December 2022 11:41:31(UTC)
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Further to the principle outlined in above post #231 on how to make a train change the direction of travel back and forth without throwing any switch, here is an twisted alternative for limited space conditions using two "semi-Hosenträger" configurations. As before, sprung turnouts allow for "mechanic automation". Like that both straight track portions see a train traveling into both directions.

2x_semi_ht.png

Edited by user 13 December 2022 10:38:20(UTC)  | Reason: Inserted a missing “a”.

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#242 Posted : 22 April 2023 11:09:17(UTC)
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On the occasion of this post of today...

Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Zme Go to Quoted Post
Here is a track planning guide which includes Märklin accessories which may perform this function. [...]

https://www.maerklin.de/...Buch_Spur_Z_komplett.pdf

I love the 2800 x 800 mm layout concept presented on pages 84-87:

"Old and New Main Lines on a Layout
While a modern train such as the ICE is at home on the upper line, older models can also be run on the lower, existing line. Past and present come together on one layout - certainly not an everyday theme for a layout."

... I paste below 2018 post (building on earlier 2015 posts).

My inspiration at that time was a working Z scale layout I once saw at the "Internationale Verkehrsausstellung (IVA)" [International Transport Exhibition] in Hamburg in 1979. It was a conceptual DB layout to present and promote the (at that time) futuristic ICE high speed network (and still without an ICE model of course). "Just" the electric class 120 locomotive prototype was on static display in 1979. It took another 9 years until the 1988 IVA in Hamburg that I witnessed the protoype of the real ICE running.

Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Great and sound work Dennis !
:o)

Now for something completely different. I am digging out a concept I proposed three years ago for a „lenghty“ contemporary-themed layout.

Compared with Dennis´approach, this meant flipping around main and branch lines, i.e. (old) branch lines below and (modern) main above, as it would be prototypical for an ICE line to traverse valleys on high viaducts with old lines arcing around in the valley below.
2015dbl.png.jpg

I elaborated the concept for a fellow MU member, mainly by including an interchange between modern high line and old water level line.
2015dblrev.png

The long ICE viaduct could look like this.
eisenbahn%20kurier%20ICE%20.jpg

Scenerywise, Wuerzburg on the river Main could serve as source of inspiration.
wb-bx.png.jpg

My related 2015 posts:
https://www.marklin-user...-layout-ideas#post478727
https://www.marklin-user...-a-New-Layout#post502787

Edited by user 24 April 2023 00:10:36(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline Toosmall  
#243 Posted : 25 April 2023 00:49:39(UTC)
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In the background part of a viaduct in Z gauge, it's over 5 metres long. Maybe some ideas there. The vaiduct has an aluminium hollow extrusion inside.

Water2.jpg

Water1.jpg




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#244 Posted : 25 May 2023 18:09:52(UTC)
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Nothing lasts as long as a temporary solution. 10 years ago a Stummiforum member built a test circuit, which eventually took on a life of its own. A simple quick and dirty design for displaying motive power and allow several train to stretch their legs.

The first version
rimg01764fo2a.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimg01764fo2a.jpg

Extended.
rimg2527.12pbxw0-1.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimg2527.12pbxw0.jpg

Installing a backdrop and adding basic "scenery" allow for "attractive" photos of passenger coach consists from the inside of the curves.
rimg1799.127zjrv.jpg
https://abload.de/img/rimg1799.127zjrv.jpg

The test circuit in action:

Source: https://www.stummiforum....-Der-neue-Testkreis.html
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Offline mbarreto  
#245 Posted : 25 May 2023 23:33:22(UTC)
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I like the first version for play with standalone steamers.
Best regards,
Miguel
Mostly Märklin H0.


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#246 Posted : 25 June 2023 16:04:43(UTC)
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By a German gent: "A Märklin mini layout (100x80cm) with automatic operation of 7 trains and cable car via Central Station 3"

"Track plan":
f64t202182p2407100n3_xEPOFzAH.jpg

Source: https://www.stummiforum....age-mit-viel-Aktion.html
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#247 Posted : 25 June 2023 19:53:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
By a German gent: "A Märklin mini layout (100x80cm) with automatic operation of 7 trains and cable car via Central Station 3"


Quite nice, a pity can't see the other pictures, I presume one has to sign in to see them. Wouldn't mind seeing pictures of the staging yard.

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#248 Posted : 25 June 2023 20:58:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Quite nice, a pity can't see the other pictures, I presume one has to sign in to see them. Wouldn't mind seeing pictures of the staging yard.

Lower level track plan with small shadow station.
f64t202182p2404375n3_GLjpyBkZ.jpg
Upper level track plan
f64t202182p2404375n2_mnGkFyNi.jpg
Photograph from another angle.
f64t202182p2407100n2_PeQhlBrS.jpg

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#249 Posted : 25 June 2023 23:11:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Quite nice, a pity can't see the other pictures, I presume one has to sign in to see them. Wouldn't mind seeing pictures of the staging yard.

Lower level track plan with small shadow station.
...
Upper level track plan
...
Photograph from another angle.
...


Thanks.
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#250 Posted : 18 October 2023 01:49:44(UTC)
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I have previously pointed out this compact Märklin H0 M-track retro-style layout “Stadtbahnhof Hafentor“ by a German gent:
https://tischbahn.de/wei...us-f/nggallery/slideshow
https://tischbahn.de/wei...ahnen/anlage-hr-b-aus-f/



In the same spirit, there are two separate compact big city layouts by German modelers (ovals with many stub tracks):

(a) Big City Station on 1.35 sqm

BBG2.jpg
Source: https://abload.de/image....img=fastfertig4z2igw.jpg
BBG1.jpg
Source: https://abload.de/img/aufbau16sig7.jpg

Further info in German: https://www.drehscheibe-...d.php?010,8747318,page=1

(b) Hamburg Hauptbahnhof fitting under a guest bed

HHHABF1.jpg
Source: https://abload.de/img/bl...renzian_hamburg51jok.jpg
HHHABF2.jpg
Source: https://abload.de/img/blicknachsdeniim0kjl.jpg
HHHABF0.jpg
Source: https://abload.de/image.php?img=gleisplanc6kbe.jpg

Further info in German (scroll down to post #757): https://www.stummiforum....Blech-30.html#msg2185162
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