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jonas_sthlm		#1 Posted : 19 October 2008 16:25:40(UTC) Retweet
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steventrain		#2 Posted : 19 October 2008 20:29:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,610 Location: United Kingdom		Need more locos iron list included livery such as 39891, 37031, etc.
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Goofy		#3 Posted : 20 October 2008 10:59:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,031		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jonas_sthlm <br />Move the shutdown button to front screen Why...? Goofy
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Bigdaddynz		#4 Posted : 20 October 2008 11:06:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,670 Location: New Zealand		I just wish for a CS2!
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laalves		#5 Posted : 20 October 2008 12:27:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		1- In the layout feature, possibility of using a single address for more than one accessory; 2- Function mapping like in the CS1; 3- Advanced loco parameter editing like in the CS1; 4- Locomotives registering their function icons correctly, like in the CS1.
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mmrcnzjohn		#6 Posted : 20 October 2008 12:37:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 558 Location: ,		That the price of it drops between 25-50%
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Goofy		#7 Posted : 20 October 2008 16:30:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,031		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jonas_sthlm <br />Move the shutdown button to front screen Why...? Goofy You have still not answering my question why...? Aunt Marklin don´t take care by acting after yours wishing. Shutdown button cannot been moved to the frontscreen,just because it´s an special button by in function byself seperat away from other functional at CS2...! Goofy
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steventrain		#8 Posted : 20 October 2008 16:33:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,610 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by laalves <br /> 4- Locomotives registering their function icons correctly, like in the CS1. I agreed with you.
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Goofy		#9 Posted : 21 October 2008 11:46:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,031		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain <br />Need more locos iron list included livery such as 39891, 37031, etc. You can placement it byself at CS2. It´s just to update. Goofy
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Goofy		#10 Posted : 21 October 2008 11:47:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,031		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jonas_sthlm <br />Move the shutdown button to front screen IMPOSSIBLE...!!! Goofy
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supermoee		#11 Posted : 21 October 2008 12:46:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534		Hello, I do not want shutdown button on the front screen. Than you click on it by fault and your CS2 shuts down. What I want: - coupling track symbol in layout - movement signal symbol in layout - symbol for handswitches in layout to avoid adress waste - symbol for braking modules - function mapping like CS1 - more setting functions for locos as sound speed etc. kind regards Stephan
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Goofy		#12 Posted : 21 October 2008 13:20:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,031		That will become by update CS2... Goofy
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Goofy		#13 Posted : 21 October 2008 13:40:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,031		Not when we have financial-crises...! Goofy
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jeehring		#14 Posted : 21 October 2008 14:46:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		While function mapping may be useful in DCC world with many types of central( with anonymous function touchs , no factory installed decoders, etc) I'm curious to know why it looks so important to Marklin-user's eyes , using a touch screen central + auto annoucement of the locomotives ( including data bank of motorola locomotives )... Just curious .
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Fredrik		#15 Posted : 21 October 2008 14:53:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 642		Well actually not all functions available have been automatically accessible. I have 2 mfx-engines that contained more sounds when I was able to "enable" them, which was done through the function-mapping. I have also by this, given my engines a "switching-light"-option through one function. This function switches the lights on in both directions at the same time. This can then also be combined with the "switching-speed" thus with one button I turn to switching mode, changing both lights and driving charachteristics. If it's really NEEDED... YESSS!!!
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jeehring		#16 Posted : 21 October 2008 16:21:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by MJ-Teknik <br />Well actually not all functions available have been automatically accessible. I have 2 mfx-engines that contained more sounds when I was able to "enable" them, which was done through the function-mapping. I have also by this, given my engines a "switching-light"-option through one function. This function switches the lights on in both directions at the same time. This can then also be combined with the "switching-speed" thus with one button I turn to switching mode, changing both lights and driving charachteristics. If it's really NEEDED... YESSS!!! I'd never said it is not useful .These only 2 or 3 reasons are valid reasons .But I consider it as details . really not have priority IMHO . Even in DCC world , mapping is a new feature ( 2 years on the market ). More and more but not all decoders are allowing functions mapping . ( you also need to run decoders on which this function must be implemented - It probably concerns less than 20% of the Marklin loks world fleet) I can understand Marklin posponed it ( probably synchronized with the release of DCC software or DCC CS2 - ) MFX locksound with plenty of sounds ...that's only "merchandising" .I've seen some models proposing 26 sound functions...why not 45 or 66 sounds ,etc....no limit ( that's why I find it has relative importance)! Switching the lights on both directions at the same times actually becomes standard on Marklin loks ( Diesel/electric). no mapping necessary . That's why I tend to consider acces to "mapping" as a "lesser-evil for imperfect hardware"....
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Fredrik		#17 Posted : 21 October 2008 16:31:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 642		I agree - it is not really neccessary... and as you say not a priority option for me either.
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supermoee		#18 Posted : 21 October 2008 18:03:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534		Sure, it is not the highest priority, but with the function mapping you can do a lot of things: - you can distribute the functions on the screen following your wishes - you can combine functions together as already described - you can assign functions to be executed automatically when loco stops or starts. This is very useful together with the shuttle function of the CS. A loco stops automatically at the station, you hear automatically the station announcement. Afterwards the door sound is happening and the whistle and the trains moves automatically. Everything without a PC. So it is very niche to have. This topic is called "wish list" and not "must have" kind regards Stephan
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jeehring		#19 Posted : 21 October 2008 19:12:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by supermoee <br />Sure, it is not the highest priority, but with the function mapping you can do a lot of things: - you can distribute the functions on the screen following your wishes . kind regards Stephan distributing functions on anonymous buttons/touch may be useful ( Ex : with any loco you may be sure that whistle is always on touch number 1 , etc.... On a touch- screen with icons I don't see any interest . (excepted : changing the scenery , changing for changing ). Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by supermoee <br />Sure, it is not the highest priority, but with the function mapping you can do a lot of things: - you can assign functions to be executed automatically when loco stops or starts. This is very useful together with the shuttle function of the CS. A loco stops automatically at the station, you hear automatically the station announcement. Afterwards the door sound is happening and the whistle and the trains moves automatically. Everything without a PC. kind regards Stephan .... We are putting passengers in serious danger : they'll hear the same annoucements and sounds as it stops at a red signal and each time you stop it... !
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laalves		#20 Posted : 21 October 2008 19:57:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Jeehring, we are just talking about personal preferences. I do prefer to have function mapping and loco editing. To those, like me, who modify decoders, install new motors, etc, then you need those capabilities. To those who just buy the loks and run them as they are, then they don't need those things.
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jeehring		#21 Posted : 21 October 2008 20:10:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by laalves <br />Jeehring, we are just talking about personal preferences. Of course , we are ! . But there is one thing : I'll never put my passengers in danger ! [:0] PS all I said : : functions mapping = <u>"relative importance"</u> ( and I'm sure it will come a little bit later , with an update . Relax !)
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laalves		#22 Posted : 22 October 2008 00:42:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Actually, I read that M explained in the roadshows that function mapping was left out on purpose given that "no one used it". From what I've seen here and in stummi, that is not the case. That's one of the reasons why I'm considering using my CS1 as a slave controller to the CS2 but, if technically possible, keep a totally separate programming track. That way, I will still be able to use its function mapping and loco editing capabilities.
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supermoee		#23 Posted : 22 October 2008 12:07:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jeehring .... We are putting passengers in serious danger : they'll hear the same annoucements and sounds as it stops at a red signal and each time you stop it... ! As I told, this setting is useful with the shuttle function of the CS, and there the loco is stopping only at the 2 end stations. So no danger for passengers. kind regards Stephan
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RayF		#24 Posted : 22 October 2008 12:22:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,840 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Actually, all my passengers stay on the platform, and none of them ever get on the train, so they're perfectly safe. Seriously, I can see why the "high end user" as I call them, would want function mapping etc, but Marklin is probably right in that, as a percentage of the total number of Marklin enthusiasts, it is probably such a low number that you can say "no one used it". The whole concept of MFX and Systems is that the user needs to know very little about how things work....Put the train on the track, and the controller tells you what it is, what the functions are, and where to press to make them work. Of course, the "high end users" like Luis, do a lot more with the hardware and expect sofware tools to be available for this. I suppose a balance is needed between simplicity and sophistication. Ray
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WelshMatt		#25 Posted : 22 October 2008 14:25:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,345 Location: ,		The interesting part is that by making it as simple as possible for the newbies (with MFX et al) they actually make the system more complex than it needs to be. With most DCC systems you simply dial in the loco address (most people use the last two or four digits of the loco number) and drive off, no need to register locos and therefore none of the nuisances (such as the MS only being able to store ten locos in memory). I'd rather Marklin had a simple way to do things like turning down the voltage on function outputs (to use LED lights). Even my sub-£100 Lenz Compact can do that with just a two digit display and a few buttons.
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jeehring		#26 Posted : 22 October 2008 20:40:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by supermoee <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jeehring .... We are putting passengers in serious danger : they'll hear the same annoucements and sounds as it stops at a red signal and each time you stop it... ! As I told, this setting is useful with the shuttle function of the CS, and there the loco is stopping only at the 2 end stations. So no danger for passengers. kind regards Stephan Please , one question : With Shuttle function : no signals allowed on the line ? ( between two stations?)
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supermoee		#27 Posted : 23 October 2008 17:08:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534		hello jeehring, the shuttle function in the CS is too primitive to allow some trains cross each other. How to be sure that the will not crash? You cannot block the pre set routes each other and the CS cannot identify which loco is closing a contact. The safest way is to have a dedicated line for shuttle function to avoid interference. Hello Lutz, I cannot understand that you say that coupling tracks symbols are not a must. On the Keyboard it is not optimal too. You see the description of the coupler on the red switch, but not the one on the green. So the only way is to introduce it in the layout. kind regards Stephan
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