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klarinettmeister		#401 Posted : 26 March 2022 09:55:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 799 Location: Kirseberg		I don't care anymore where they are made as long as they are not from Russia and the quality is there. Of course I'd like my Märklin models made in Germany except for the electronics but as it'd take the prices to yet higher levels then I'm fine with my models being produced in China. I think I have alot of Chinese produced Märklin models and only been having one problem with zinkpest sofar (Märklin 45702). My 39241 and 39243 are one of my favorite models. And as many point out it's impossible nowadays to get something with electronics that aren't produced partly in Asia.
		37624 F7, my first review My layout in construction. /David
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Norbstarted1969		#402 Posted : 28 March 2022 04:03:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/01/2022(UTC) Posts: 31 Location: New York, Glenmont		All of this discussion reminds me of an article I read in a woodworking magazine in the 1990s about power tools made in Taiwan. The article stated that in that part of the world, the prevailing attitude among manufacturers is that "quality is the responsibility of the purchaser". In other words, companies like Marklin need to carefully watch their Chinese contractors or own the factory, such as the case with Piko. Overall, the Chinese Marklin I have has generally been made to a high standard and I haven't been disappointed, so their current QA program appears to be adequate. While it may be distasteful to buy goods from a country run by a hostile and despotic government, the bottom line is that products from China can be made to a high quality standard at a cost that will increase profits for the manufacturers or maybe even keep them afloat, so we might as well accept the situation and deal with it.
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shannon		#403 Posted : 28 March 2022 12:48:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 337 Location: Taipei,		A country which can build real high speed train is not worth worring about quality of train in scale model by 1/87.
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marklinist5999		#404 Posted : 28 March 2022 14:45:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,167 Location: Michigan, Troy		Yes, I agree David, Norb, and Shannon!
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Mr. Ron		#405 Posted : 28 March 2022 23:07:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/07/2020(UTC) Posts: 311 Location: Mississippi, Vancleave		In every country, quality is a commodity. You have to pay for quality. Manufacturers will only provide the quality you pay for; no more, no less. This is true of all countries. They make their profit based on how much it costs to make an item. No one is in business to lose money.
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60904		#406 Posted : 30 March 2022 23:23:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 319		For many years Märklin has stopped writing Made in Germany on boxes.
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H0		#407 Posted : 31 March 2022 09:12:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,276 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: 60904 For many years Märklin has stopped writing Made in Germany on boxes. Yeah. But "Made in EU" or "Made in China" can be found on Märklin StartUp and Märklin MyWorld boxes. Only the boxes for the "professionals" never have a "Made in ..." imprint.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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mbarreto		#408 Posted : 25 February 2023 20:33:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,268		I don't know if this is the best thread for post this, anyway it was one I found where I think it applies... Probably some of you, after read what I wrote below, will think I am heretic The price of the turnout motors is high. It could be interesting that some good Chinese manufacturer produce a turnout motor 4 times cheaper. Didn't need to have the built in switch. It could have 2 effects: 1- We could buy them in case it proved to be good and save; 2- Märklin perhaps would lower the price of their turnout motors. Regards, Miguel
		Best regards, Miguel Mostly Märklin H0.
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kiwiAlan		#409 Posted : 25 February 2023 21:26:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,114 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: mbarreto It could be interesting that some good Chinese manufacturer produce a turnout motor 4 times cheaper. Didn't need to have the built in switch. There are two reasons for the switches in the turnout motors: - 1. They turn off the current when the motor reaches its movement limit to stop the coil overheating when someone holds their finger on the button or a train stops on a switch track. 2. When used with the Marklin push buttons thee position indicator on the buttons gets illuminated by the switch that is still closed. When the motor moves to the other extreme the other LED glows to indicate the change.
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Toosmall		#410 Posted : 25 February 2023 21:40:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/07/2021(UTC) Posts: 617 Location: Sydney		One can make anything cheap enough if you can amortize all the cost. Even a cheap computer would be half the cost today if you removed all the licence costs on components.
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mbarreto		#411 Posted : 26 February 2023 09:14:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,268		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan There are two reasons for the switches in the turnout motors: - 1. They turn off the current when the motor reaches its movement limit to stop the coil overheating when someone holds their finger on the button or a train stops on a switch track. 2. When used with the Marklin push buttons thee position indicator on the buttons gets illuminated by the switch that is still closed. When the motor moves to the other extreme the other LED glows to indicate the change. Those are good reasons for the switch to exist, although probably in most cases they are simply not needed. Although until now I had no problem with those switches, I read several members of this forum complaining, so I assume the switch maybe a source of problems. Considering both points above, it could be interesting for the existence of motors with and motors without the switch. It is not a big issue anyway.
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Goofy		#412 Posted : 26 February 2023 19:21:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,033		I did see a video about Märklins new high speed train set with the rainbow color stripes. It was a flop at € 700,00! Are this train set made in EU or China?
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marklinist5999		#413 Posted : 26 February 2023 22:41:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,167 Location: Michigan, Troy		Why was it a flop Goofy? It's an ICE 3. The ICE 4 costs that much. Regardless of where asssembled. The way I see things, China is good enough to purchase a 2.6 billion dollar plot of framland in North Dakota for a proposed grain mill in 2002. Therefore the USA, and other nations are good enough to sell to China, and us to buy goods which they produce as well.
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Goofy		#414 Posted : 27 February 2023 06:23:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,033		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Why was it a flop Goofy? It's an ICE 3. The ICE 4 costs that much. Regardless of where asssembled. The way I see things, China is good enough to purchase a 2.6 billion dollar plot of framland in North Dakota for a proposed grain mill in 2002. Therefore the USA, and other nations are good enough to sell to China, and us to buy goods which they produce as well. The person did tested ICE and found out wagons too light in weight so they derailment of the tracks. Yes it was a flop at €700,00!! Are the train set made in China or EU?
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H0		#415 Posted : 27 February 2023 09:56:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,276 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Goofy Are the train set made in China or EU? We have seen "Made in China" stickers on boxes of the ICE 4. I don't know where the ICE 3 is being made.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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mvd71		#416 Posted : 27 February 2023 17:51:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,763 Location: Auckland,		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Why was it a flop Goofy? It's an ICE 3. The ICE 4 costs that much. Regardless of where asssembled. The way I see things, China is good enough to purchase a 2.6 billion dollar plot of framland in North Dakota for a proposed grain mill in 2002. Therefore the USA, and other nations are good enough to sell to China, and us to buy goods which they produce as well. Why don’t you try to buy 2.6 billion plot of land in China and see how far you get??
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marklinist5999		#417 Posted : 27 February 2023 19:16:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,167 Location: Michigan, Troy		Yes, I know how far I'd get. To a Bejing prison, probably. They're sending surveilance ballons here now too. I don't know if the west does it there, but Google maps obtained images somehow. Anywho, if the grandkiddies end up being forced to learn mandarin, and work in hard labor, I can't make it my problem. I'll be dead. My dad told us not to buy from China in 1986 because their Govt. kept most profits, meaning the people were still enslaved.
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dzug		#418 Posted : 27 February 2023 19:33:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/04/2011(UTC) Posts: 34 Location: Coquitlam, BC		Originally Posted by: Goofy The person did tested ICE and found out wagons too light in weight so they derailment of the tracks. Yes it was a flop at €700,00!! Are the train set made in China or EU? I have seen that video on Youtube and also another one about the revised Roco ICE model costing twice as much that cannot hold its place on a grade of any type. Regardless of where it is made, I would say those failures are a failure of design and engineering done in Germany not manufacturing.
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marklinist5999		#419 Posted : 27 February 2023 19:49:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,167 Location: Michigan, Troy		My #37780 ICE 3 says "made in Germany" on the box! It's from about 2004.
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Toosmall		#420 Posted : 27 February 2023 21:26:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/07/2021(UTC) Posts: 617 Location: Sydney		Maybe because they were putting on the body shells in Germany. A bit like sewing on the clothes label tag in Australia.... 'Made in Australia'... really... about 0.1% of the value of the finish product! Made in 'country X' is a 128, 128, 128 grey area these days!
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H0		#421 Posted : 28 February 2023 08:51:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,276 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 My #37780 ICE 3 says "made in Germany" on the box! It's from about 2004. We have 2023 and Märklin have only about 200 production workers left in Germany. Rumours say that Märklin used "Made in Germany" labels at the beginning of the century even for products that did not really deserve that label. Things can be different for 2022 ICE 3 models.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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dickinsonj		#422 Posted : 28 February 2023 13:22:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,694 Location: Crozet, Virginia		I see the "Made In" labels for all of my Marklin products sourced from dealers here in the US. I buy mostly special and highly detailed locos and only my Insider models have been made in Germany for quite some time now. Luckily I find the quality of the Chinese made models to be equivalent to the models made in Germany, so I don't obsess over where they were made anymore. If you can't handle models made outside of Europe you will pretty much have to abandon Marklin completely at this point.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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maico		#423 Posted : 28 February 2023 15:45:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/08/2019(UTC) Posts: 9 Location: England, London		Originally Posted by: dickinsonj I see the "Made In" labels for all of my Marklin products sourced from dealers here in the US. I buy mostly special and highly detailed locos and only my Insider models have been made in Germany for quite some time now. Luckily I find the quality of the Chinese made models to be equivalent to the models made in Germany, so I don't obsess over where they were made anymore. If you can't handle models made outside of Europe you will pretty much have to abandon Marklin completely at this point. Do the C-track boxes say where it is made? I've got a lot of Trix C-track of various vintages.
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dickinsonj		#424 Posted : 28 February 2023 15:50:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,694 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: maico Do the C-track boxes say where it is made? I've got a lot of Trix C-track of various vintages. At least some of my C-track boxes are labeled "Made in Germany", although I don't know if that is always true. The real difference is whether they are the new plastic formulation or the old.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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H0		#425 Posted : 28 February 2023 16:06:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,276 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: dickinsonj At least some of my C-track boxes are labeled "Made in Germany", although I don't know if that is always true. Older C track has the 24 prefix (e.g. 24188) and "Made in Germany" engraved in the roadbed. And older tracks are likely to become brittle. With newer track, the 24 prefix was dropped. "ASA" denotes track made from the new plastic formula.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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JohnjeanB		#426 Posted : 28 February 2023 16:23:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,151 Location: Paris, France		Hi Is Märklin made in China? Where is Märklin designed? These questions are complex to answer but the little I know is: - except for cooperation with other manufacturers (like Brawa, Viessmann, Fleischmann, etc) the design is made in Germany, mostly in Göppingen (Hauptfabrik) - since the Märklin bankruptcy in Feb 2009 (Märklin Pleite), the purchasing firm Simba Dixie has tried to subcontract some manufacturing in China to lower the production costs. - since some difficulties with Chinese subcontractors (bankruptcy, quality), since 2015, some production has been moved back to Europe (Györ and Göppingen, mostly) - Märklin is very discreete about its subcontractors but most assembly of locos is made in Göppingen, while cars, track, etc are made in Hungary. Since there are different rules in the EU and in the USA, locos sold in Europe are not branded made in (EU, Germany, Hungary), while when sold in the Americas, there is a sticker "Made in China". I have strong doubts that the ENTIRE production of a Märklin model labelled "Made in China" is made there but only parts. This is all a matter of personal opinion. I believe Märklin does not want to be dragged into a legal claim hence the label made in China. Cheers Jean
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marklinist5999		#427 Posted : 28 February 2023 16:45:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,167 Location: Michigan, Troy		Oh, designing of anything can be done abroad. Probably mostlty still Germany, because they still take great pride in makinga "masterpiece" so to speak. It could also be Hungary, etc. I see 3-D printing firms advertise, and all sorts of design firms advertise from Germany. As for China, I can tell you that my brother in law is a Jeep "Stelantis" V.P. of concept design, and they do have a studio in China. I don't kmow if they do any domestic models for here, but the mid sized Cherokee is called the Grand Commander there.
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H0		#428 Posted : 28 February 2023 16:53:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,276 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB - except for cooperation with other manufacturers (like Brawa, Viessmann, Fleischmann, etc) the design is made in Germany, mostly in Göppingen (Hauptfabrik) I remember episodes of Märklin TV where persons in Hungary explained the CAD drawings, so I assume some models are primarily designed there. It would not surprise me if some models are actually designed in the far east. Not all co-operations are declared by Märklin: We know that the UP 844 was made from moulds leased from BLI. Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Since there are different rules in the EU and in the USA, locos sold in Europe are not branded made in (EU, Germany, Hungary), while when sold in the Americas, there is a sticker "Made in China". I have strong doubts that the ENTIRE production of a Märklin model labelled "Made in China" is made there but only parts. US require "Made in China" stickers if the last important production step was done there. One example given in the US documentation is furniture assembled in Mexico from parts made in China: It deserves a "Made in China" label as the pure assembly is not that important. Chinese companies can to zinc diecasting - they do it for Roco, for Piko, for Brawa, and for Märklin.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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maico		#429 Posted : 28 February 2023 17:49:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/08/2019(UTC) Posts: 9 Location: England, London		Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Originally Posted by: maico Do the C-track boxes say where it is made? I've got a lot of Trix C-track of various vintages. At least some of my C-track boxes are labeled "Made in Germany", although I don't know if that is always true. The real difference is whether they are the new plastic formulation or the old. I think all the Trix was probably ASA plastic and OK due to it's later date of introduction. The sample below is date stamped 2006 and the shade of brown is lighter than the later stuff. The circuit board is gold rather than the later green.
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kiwiAlan		#430 Posted : 28 February 2023 19:40:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,114 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB - except for cooperation with other manufacturers (like Brawa, Viessmann, Fleischmann, etc) the design is made in Germany, mostly in Göppingen (Hauptfabrik) I remember episodes of Märklin TV where persons in Hungary explained the CAD drawings, so I assume some models are primarily designed there. IIRC Viessmann had designers and engineering done in Romania for the Car Motion items introduced last year. They made quite a point of this in their NI video. Originally Posted by: H0 It would not surprise me if some models are actually designed in the far east. Not all co-operations are declared by Märklin: We know that the UP 844 was made from moulds leased from BLI. The impression I get is that Marklin are doing similar to Hornby, doing all the design in house, and then when not producing in house they send their tooling to the subcontractor. What is evident from the TV series "Hornby, A Model World" is that Hornby do the design in house, but all the tooling is done by their subcontractors in China, but I get the impression that Marklin do the tooling themselves.
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maico		#431 Posted : 28 February 2023 21:17:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/08/2019(UTC) Posts: 9 Location: England, London		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB - except for cooperation with other manufacturers (like Brawa, Viessmann, Fleischmann, etc) the design is made in Germany, mostly in Göppingen (Hauptfabrik) I remember episodes of Märklin TV where persons in Hungary explained the CAD drawings, so I assume some models are primarily designed there. IIRC Viessmann had designers and engineering done in Romania for the Car Motion items introduced last year. They made quite a point of this in their NI video. Originally Posted by: H0 It would not surprise me if some models are actually designed in the far east. Not all co-operations are declared by Märklin: We know that the UP 844 was made from moulds leased from BLI. The impression I get is that Marklin are doing similar to Hornby, doing all the design in house, and then when not producing in house they send their tooling to the subcontractor. What is evident from the TV series "Hornby, A Model World" is that Hornby do the design in house, but all the tooling is done by their subcontractors in China, but I get the impression that Marklin do the tooling themselves. Here's some tool-making at Roco, a painstaking process. Also note the in-house motor production line.
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maico		#432 Posted : 28 February 2023 21:55:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/08/2019(UTC) Posts: 9 Location: England, London		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 My #37780 ICE 3 says "made in Germany" on the box! It's from about 2004. We have 2023 and Märklin have only about 200 production workers left in Germany. Rumours say that Märklin used "Made in Germany" labels at the beginning of the century even for products that did not really deserve that label. Things can be different for 2022 ICE 3 models. Have you seen this Marklin factory tour video made 3 years ago? Some locos and carriages can be seen being made. Also investments in modern CNC machinery can be seen in other videos on the tube.
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H0		#433 Posted : 28 February 2023 22:07:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,276 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: maico Have you seen this Marklin factory tour video made 3 years ago? I had a guided tour through the factory a few years ago: Some locos with metal bodies were assembled, but no plastic stuff like ICE 3. I don't see ICE 3 on that video either. It's a fact that Märklin drastically reduced their workforce in Germany in the last 25 years or so.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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rmsailor		#434 Posted : 01 March 2023 09:23:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 570 Location: Kirkcaldy, Fife		The way "made in China"tends to be regarded reminds me of the way "made in Japan" was regarded in the 1950's, something cheap and nasty. No one would say that about Japan now. When it came to model railways, the period saw the emergence of the limited production fine scale brass models from the likes of Tenshodo at a time when most US home production was limited to generic style models produced in a variety of liverieries. Bob M.
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marklinist5999		#435 Posted : 01 March 2023 13:47:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,167 Location: Michigan, Troy		You can't say it about China now either. They've come a long way in quality. They build to specs. which companies pay for. Cheap, or quality. Japan began outsourcing labor in the 1980's to Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Malaysia, and Singapore. Now those nations have done so to China as well.
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maico		#436 Posted : 01 March 2023 19:47:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/08/2019(UTC) Posts: 9 Location: England, London		Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Originally Posted by: maico Do the C-track boxes say where it is made? I've got a lot of Trix C-track of various vintages. At least some of my C-track boxes are labeled "Made in Germany", although I don't know if that is always true. The real difference is whether they are the new plastic formulation or the old. This video shows the track-making machines at work in Hungary. Also shows hand painting which makes sense to do in a lower labour cost location.
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QQQ1970		#437 Posted : 01 May 2024 00:22:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/02/2018(UTC) Posts: 390 Location: Ontario, Toronto		Add to the list: The replika crocodile 18045 is Made in China.
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mike c		#438 Posted : 01 May 2024 00:48:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 7,906 Location: Montreal, QC		I'm not going to recommend this to anybody, but when declaring commercial goods into USA or Canada, a different country of origin requires a separate entry on the paperwork. By applying "Made in China" stickers on all product, they can probably declare the entire shipment as "Model Trains and parts thereof" and just enter the total value and quantity. I am not saying this this being done, but I have heard of this type of trickery used for other goods by small importers Regards Mike C
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QQQ1970		#439 Posted : 01 May 2024 01:18:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/02/2018(UTC) Posts: 390 Location: Ontario, Toronto		Interesting. I have Märklin products labeled Made in Hungary. So it doesn't appear Märklin labels everything shipped to North America as Made in China for convenience sake.
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QQQ1970		#440 Posted : 01 May 2024 01:22:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/02/2018(UTC) Posts: 390 Location: Ontario, Toronto		Originally Posted by: maico Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB - except for cooperation with other manufacturers (like Brawa, Viessmann, Fleischmann, etc) the design is made in Germany, mostly in Göppingen (Hauptfabrik) I remember episodes of Märklin TV where persons in Hungary explained the CAD drawings, so I assume some models are primarily designed there. IIRC Viessmann had designers and engineering done in Romania for the Car Motion items introduced last year. They made quite a point of this in their NI video. Originally Posted by: H0 It would not surprise me if some models are actually designed in the far east. Not all co-operations are declared by Märklin: We know that the UP 844 was made from moulds leased from BLI. The impression I get is that Marklin are doing similar to Hornby, doing all the design in house, and then when not producing in house they send their tooling to the subcontractor. What is evident from the TV series "Hornby, A Model World" is that Hornby do the design in house, but all the tooling is done by their subcontractors in China, but I get the impression that Marklin do the tooling themselves. Here's some tool-making at Roco, a painstaking process. Also note the in-house motor production line. The fact Roco in-source motor production amazes me.
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mrmarklin		#441 Posted : 01 May 2024 01:38:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 900 Location: Burney, CA		Originally Posted by: QQQ1970 Interesting. I have Märklin products labeled Made in Hungary. So it doesn't appear Märklin labels everything shipped to North America as Made in China for convenience sake. I just received a model made in Viet Nam (or is it Thailand?). I double checked, it was Vietnam. Due to business problems in China, I wouldn't be surprised if production isn't being phased out there. Edited by user 07 May 2024 01:21:45(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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dickinsonj		#442 Posted : 01 May 2024 01:48:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,694 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: mrmarklin I just received a model made in Viet Nam (or is it Thailand?) Was that Vietnam model from Märklin? I think the country of origin is correctly labeled on their models. I get ones that say made in Germany, made in Hungary and made in China. It has been a long time since I have worried about Märklin models made in China. I have a lot of them and the only failure that I had was with a cheap can motor that they would have been used no matter where it was made. I had more assembly issues with models made in Hungary than the ones made in China.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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Eurobahnfan		#443 Posted : 01 May 2024 03:34:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 411 Location: Stockton, CA		I think a lot of the issues Maerklin faced when first having trains made in China have been worked out for the most part. I was hesitant to order a new 36244/BR 24 some time back, but have been quite pleased with its performance so far. Most of my collection consists of items made in the late 80s to early 90s, some with original Motorola decoders... wherever those were made. i think it all boils down to quality control and spelling out in detail the standards to be met. True, I long for the days when the trains were made in that factory on Stuttgarterstrasse in Goeppingen... but I have to be realistic. At this point, I rarely buy anything new anyway, save for the annual Museum- and Insider-wagen. (Oh... but I DID make an exception this year's classic Krok replica )
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jonas_sthlm		#444 Posted : 01 May 2024 10:11:46(UTC) Retweet
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Goofy		#445 Posted : 01 May 2024 11:27:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,033		Originally Posted by: QQQ1970 Add to the list: The replika crocodile 18045 is Made in China. I saw the info in the Facebook too. A replica made in China!? First time i see that by Märklin. Roco are located in Vietnam by produce train models. Even US train models are made in China. This is way export are damaged against nature too and has become more expensive too by let train factory produce in another states. The business are crazy.
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marklinist5999		#446 Posted : 01 May 2024 12:38:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,167 Location: Michigan, Troy		I think unless the label sticker says on a Marklin box made in Germany, Hungary or EU, it's China. I can remember when Lionel ho was made in Hong Kong,as well as Tyvo, etc. The Vietnamese seem to take pride in what they do. We have a newer display cabinet made there and the quality is very nice. It's much lighter than our Ethan Allen solid maple one crafted in Vermont, but was also less expensive.
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jonas_sthlm		#447 Posted : 01 May 2024 13:00:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 899 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		NMJ does manufacture some of their products in Vietnam, but the technical performance is not very good. The last quality check was missing broken parts.
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dickinsonj		#448 Posted : 01 May 2024 14:16:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,694 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 I think unless the label sticker says on a Marklin box made in Germany, Hungary or EU, it's China. That is not really the case. When I buy from a NA dealer the boxes are always labeled with the country of origin. All of my models made in China and sourced through NA dealers clearly state that. If there is no country of origin label the model was sold by a European dealer, and there is no way of knowing where they were made.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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mrmarklin		#449 Posted : 01 May 2024 18:34:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 900 Location: Burney, CA		Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Originally Posted by: mrmarklin I just received a model made in Viet Nam (or is it Thailand?) Was that Vietnam model from Märklin? I think the country of origin is correctly labeled on their models. I get ones that say made in Germany, made in Hungary and made in China. It has been a long time since I have worried about Märklin models made in China. I have a lot of them and the only failure that I had was with a cheap can motor that they would have been used no matter where it was made. I had more assembly issues with models made in Hungary than the ones made in China. It was Maerklin model. One of the 1/32 series of vehicles.
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steventrain		#450 Posted : 01 May 2024 20:28:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,610 Location: United Kingdom		I have 18045 from Local dealer via Marklin Germany for Gaugemaster. I double check on box - not see any Made in China sticker.
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