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Offline vassthan  
#1 Posted : 13 June 2013 10:23:42(UTC)
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Hi to everybody!

I'm new with Marklin digital system.
I have buy a Mobile Station 2 (MS2 - 60653) with 60113 connection box, plus a 36VA transformer (Input 230V - Output 18V DC).

I want to ask you this:
Can I connect a stronger transformer (like 60052 - 60VA) with MS2 and 60113?
If answer is "YES", then I will be able to run more locos at the same time?

I have read somewhere that MS2 can use only 1,9A. Is it true?

Thanks
Vassthan
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Offline Lollo  
#2 Posted : 13 June 2013 11:22:46(UTC)
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Hi Vassthan & welcome.

Check this thread out.
https://www.marklin-user...sformer-for-digital.aspx

Cheers,
Brian.
Brian
Yaasan's Desktop Station/Railuino & Marklin MS2, DB Era III/IV Diesel & Steam, ESU Loksound/Lokpilot & Lokprogrammer, Marklin mSD, Tam Valley Depot Octopus III Servo Controller.
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Offline vassthan  
#3 Posted : 13 June 2013 11:41:30(UTC)
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vassthan

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Hi Brian!

Well, I have already read this thread.

I understand that you say "YES" I can use an alternative transformer like 6002.

What about 60052?

Can I have a photo from your system?

Thanks!
Vassthan
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Offline Iamnotthecrazyone  
#4 Posted : 13 June 2013 13:20:17(UTC)
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Iamnotthecrazyone

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Originally Posted by: vassthan Go to Quoted Post
Hi to everybody!

I'm new with Marklin digital system.
I have buy a Mobile Station 2 (MS2 - 60653) with 60113 connection box, plus a 36VA transformer (Input 230V - Output 18V DC).

I want to ask you this:
Can I connect a stronger transformer (like 60052 - 60VA) with MS2 and 60113?
If answer is "YES", then I will be able to run more locos at the same time?

I have read somewhere that MS2 can use only 1,9A. Is it true?

Thanks
Vassthan


Hi, I don't recall the exact power of the MS2 but 1.9A sounds about right. If you want to put a bigger transformer to be able to run more trains then the answer is NO, it will make no difference. You can only obtain as much power as your controller can give you, sounds like 1.9A in your case. After that the MS will go in short circuit mode and you'll end up without power.

I don't see a problem using the 60052 as power source but it will not make a difference on the quantity of trains you can run. Whatever you do make sure not to make mistakes in the connections and the transformer you use for the MS should not be used for anything else. Otherwise, it is very easy to damage the MS.
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Offline Lollo  
#5 Posted : 13 June 2013 15:14:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vassthan Go to Quoted Post
Hi Brian!

Well, I have already read this thread.

I understand that you say "YES" I can use an alternative transformer like 6002.

What about 60052?

Can I have a photo from your system?

Thanks!
Vassthan


The 66361 that comes standard for the MS2 is 18v DC, 36w (2 amp). In my opinion and experience, not ideal.
The 60052 is suitable for digital connection to MS2. In the 60052 manual it shows connecting to a MS1.
60052 specs. output 16v AC, 3.75 amp.
The 6002 I use, output 16v AC, 3.25 amp
The current output of the MS2 will remain at max 1,9 amp, but the voltage output from the MS2 & my old MS1 did increase from around 18v to 21v. The extra voltage did make an performance improvement overall in my case.

Do you have the original connection wire with DC plug with the transformer? It is a 2 core cable DC plug for track box & connector to transformer.
http://www.maerklin.com/...ch%2Fproduct_search.html


Brian
Yaasan's Desktop Station/Railuino & Marklin MS2, DB Era III/IV Diesel & Steam, ESU Loksound/Lokpilot & Lokprogrammer, Marklin mSD, Tam Valley Depot Octopus III Servo Controller.
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Offline H0  
#6 Posted : 13 June 2013 17:01:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Lollo Go to Quoted Post
The current output of the MS2 will remain at max 1,9 amp, but the voltage output from the MS2 & my old MS1 did increase from around 18v to 21v. The extra voltage did make an performance improvement overall in my case.
With my CS1 I switched from transformer to switching mode power supply.
With transformer, track voltage varies between 18 and 22 V (and the speed of trains varies noticeably - the ICE 3 slows down when I turn on the interior lights). With the power supply, track voltage varies only between 18.7 and 19.0 V.

See also:
https://www.marklin-user...Reloaded.aspx#post230786
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Tom
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Offline vassthan  
#7 Posted : 18 June 2013 07:16:07(UTC)
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Quote:

Do you have the original connection wire with DC plug with the transformer? It is a 2 core cable DC plug for track box & connector to transformer.


Yes I have the original cable that comes with 66361.
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Offline Lollo  
#8 Posted : 18 June 2013 11:57:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vassthan Go to Quoted Post
Quote:

Do you have the original connection wire with DC plug with the transformer? It is a 2 core cable DC plug for track box & connector to transformer.


Yes I have the original cable that comes with 66361.


Hi Vassthan,

I think I assumed you already had a 60052, hence why I asked about the connecting wire & plug. see here, http://www.maerklin.com/...ch%2Fproduct_search.html
Yes you can use the 60052 to power the CS2.

Cheers,
Brian.
Brian
Yaasan's Desktop Station/Railuino & Marklin MS2, DB Era III/IV Diesel & Steam, ESU Loksound/Lokpilot & Lokprogrammer, Marklin mSD, Tam Valley Depot Octopus III Servo Controller.
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Offline vassthan  
#9 Posted : 18 June 2013 16:14:45(UTC)
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Hi Brian,

I haven't 60052 yet.
I have 66361 + Mobile Station II + 60113.

With this consist I can run 5 loco + lights only, at the same time.
I want to run more locos.
I want to know if 60052 (16V AC, ~4A) is compatible with Mobile Station II. Because 60631 outputs 18V DC ~2A.

The first problem is how to convert 16AV to DC (?). Maybe this will be automatically by 60113 (?).
The second is if Mobile Station II can use the 4A output of 60052.

Thats all !!!

Best regards
Vasthan
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Offline H0  
#10 Posted : 18 June 2013 16:42:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vassthan Go to Quoted Post
The first problem is how to convert 16AV to DC (?). Maybe this will be automatically by 60113 (?).
Yes, MS2 can be used with 16 V AC.

Originally Posted by: vassthan Go to Quoted Post
The second is if Mobile Station II can use the 4A output of 60052.
No, output is limited to 1.9 A.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Lollo  
#11 Posted : 18 June 2013 22:02:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: vassthan Go to Quoted Post
The first problem is how to convert 16AV to DC (?). Maybe this will be automatically by 60113 (?).
Yes, MS2 can be used with 16 V AC.

Originally Posted by: vassthan Go to Quoted Post
The second is if Mobile Station II can use the 4A output of 60052.
No, output is limited to 1.9 A.


Hi HO,

You are correct about the current output, it will only ever be a max of 1.9 amp even with the 60052, but it can still be used.
As I have found from my own setup, it is the the track voltage that increases, and that is what has made the difference.

Cheers,
Brian.
Brian
Yaasan's Desktop Station/Railuino & Marklin MS2, DB Era III/IV Diesel & Steam, ESU Loksound/Lokpilot & Lokprogrammer, Marklin mSD, Tam Valley Depot Octopus III Servo Controller.
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Offline H0  
#12 Posted : 19 June 2013 08:57:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Lollo Go to Quoted Post
As I have found from my own setup, it is the the track voltage that increases, and that is what has made the difference.
I've read that. And as I wrote I prefer stabilized power supplies as the track voltage is much more stable.

If the layout is not for children's hands, a universal switching mode power supply could be used. Normally they come with adjustable output voltage and an assortment of plugs (and one should fit).

Thus you get a nearly stable track voltage and still are able to increase the voltage if you encounter problems with smoke generators (or to speed up your trains). With DC, up to 22 V should be OK in my humble opinion - that's about the voltage you get from 16 V AC.

If the layout is for children's hands, I'd stick with the Märklin wall wart.
Regards
Tom
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