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Offline Joseph Meiring  
#1 Posted : 31 March 2011 12:47:43(UTC)
Joseph Meiring

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Does anyone know what track pieces are needed to make a wye..."Y"...in the smallest possible space for C track?
thanx!
Joe
Offline tiono  
#2 Posted : 31 March 2011 13:21:59(UTC)
tiono

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Originally Posted by: Joe Meiring Go to Quoted Post
Does anyone know what track pieces are needed to make a wye..."Y"...in the smallest possible space for C track?
thanx!
Joe


"Y"...in the smallest possible space for C track?
How about 24630 + 24977
Offline Elukka  
#3 Posted : 31 March 2011 13:27:31(UTC)
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This would be so much easier if we had a symmetric turnout to work with... The 3-way switch would work but it'd look a bit silly.

Here's what I came up with. The geometry isn't perfect and it's probably possible to do better, but if you have the parts handy you could try this. No guarantee that it actually fits together!

UserPostedImage

Count | Description
------+--------------------------------------------------------------
2 | Märklin C-Track 24077 Straight 77.5mm
2 | Märklin C-Track 24130 Curved R1=360mm 30°
3 | Märklin C-Track 24206 Curved R2=437.5mm 5.7°
2 | Märklin C-Track 24236 Straight 236.0mm
1 | Märklin C-Track 24430 Curved R4=579.3mm 30°
2 | Märklin C-Track 24611 Left Turnout 188.3mm R2=437.5mm 24.3°
1 | Märklin C-Track 24612 Right Turnout 188.3mm R2=437.5mm 24.3°
------+--------------------------------------------------------------
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Offline Joseph Meiring  
#4 Posted : 31 March 2011 14:37:35(UTC)
Joseph Meiring

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Originally Posted by: Elukka Go to Quoted Post
This would be so much easier if we had a symmetric turnout to work with... The 3-way switch would work but it'd look a bit silly.

Here's what I came up with. The geometry isn't perfect and it's probably possible to do better, but if you have the parts handy you could try this. No guarantee that it actually fits together!

UserPostedImage

Count | Description
------+--------------------------------------------------------------
2 | Märklin C-Track 24077 Straight 77.5mm
2 | Märklin C-Track 24130 Curved R1=360mm 30°
3 | Märklin C-Track 24206 Curved R2=437.5mm 5.7°
2 | Märklin C-Track 24236 Straight 236.0mm
1 | Märklin C-Track 24430 Curved R4=579.3mm 30°
2 | Märklin C-Track 24611 Left Turnout 188.3mm R2=437.5mm 24.3°
1 | Märklin C-Track 24612 Right Turnout 188.3mm R2=437.5mm 24.3°
------+--------------------------------------------------------------

Thanx - will try it; pity I can't view your image!
Joe
Offline Joseph Meiring  
#5 Posted : 31 March 2011 14:40:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: tiono Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Joe Meiring Go to Quoted Post
Does anyone know what track pieces are needed to make a wye..."Y"...in the smallest possible space for C track?
thanx!
Joe


"Y"...in the smallest possible space for C track?
How about 24630 + 24977

....mmmmmmmmm....not quite!!!
Offline Elukka  
#6 Posted : 31 March 2011 15:41:42(UTC)
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That's odd. Here's a link to the pic in case that makes it show: http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8131/wye.png

Here's an alternative using the three-way turnout. It's a bit more compact and the geometry is exact, but it perhaps doesn't look as natural. The little spur is only good for storing a single short wagon.

image link

Count | Description
------+--------------------------------------------------------------
1 | Märklin C-Track 24071 Straight 70.8mm
1 | Märklin C-Track 24115 Curved R1=360mm 15°
2 | Märklin C-Track 24130 Curved R1=360mm 30°
2 | Märklin C-Track 24188 Straight 188.3mm
4 | Märklin C-Track 24206 Curved R2=437.5mm 5.7°
1 | Märklin C-Track 24611 Left Turnout 188.3mm R2=437.5mm 24.3°
1 | Märklin C-Track 24612 Right Turnout 188.3mm R2=437.5mm 24.3°
1 | Märklin C-Track 24630 3-way Turnout 188.3mm R2=437.5mm 24.3°
1 | Märklin C-Track 24977 Bumper 77.5mm
------+--------------------------------------------------------------
Offline tiono  
#7 Posted : 31 March 2011 16:14:07(UTC)
tiono

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Originally Posted by: Elukka Go to Quoted Post

Here's an alternative using the three-way turnout. It's a bit more compact and the geometry is exact, but it perhaps doesn't look as natural.

as I said before........ the smallest "wye" in C-track can only be achieved using three-way 24630 + 24977 Smile
A compromise between compact-space and natural-look.
Offline kbvrod  
#8 Posted : 31 March 2011 18:53:03(UTC)
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Hi all,
Wye's are very rare in Europe,...

Dr D
Offline Writhdar  
#9 Posted : 31 March 2011 20:15:00(UTC)
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this is my wye - the 24624 can be replaced by a 3rd 24611. I'm sure you could also use 3 24612's instead of the 24611's

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Offline kimballthurlow  
#10 Posted : 31 March 2011 22:01:03(UTC)
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Hi,

Dan's solution (post immediately befor this one) appears to be the same as Marklin's, which shows up in many of their track or layout manuals as below. Dan has one entrance as a double slip, but the geometry is the same as a 24611 turnout.

I have tried this set and it works well, it still requires a reasonable amount of space. I guess a turntable would take up similar, though more expensive.

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regards
Kimball
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Offline Joseph Meiring  
#11 Posted : 01 April 2011 19:42:26(UTC)
Joseph Meiring

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Thanx Dan n Kimball - just what I was looking for! I know it takes up space, but it cuts out having to have big reverse loops over the board, and having to spend $$$$$ on a t/table!
Thanks everyone.....Joe
Offline Writhdar  
#12 Posted : 01 April 2011 23:08:45(UTC)
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likewise in the real world. Turntables are a lot more expensive & involved than a simple wye. However, in mountainous terrain with limited suitable track terrain, a turntable may be the way (e.g., the Silverton Railroad in Colorado USA had the Guston Turntable - also referred to as the Corkscrew Gulch Turntable - below Red Mountain Pass).

On my layout, I have a narrow mining "spur" and the wye is perfect there - makes for a lot of operational fun.
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Offline cookee_nz  
#13 Posted : 01 April 2011 23:26:13(UTC)
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"Wye" not? BigGrin - if you have the space, they are a cool feature, there are a few in NZ & Australia and add interest to the operations

I prefer the curved one best.

Cookee
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Offline Joseph Meiring  
#14 Posted : 02 April 2011 12:52:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post
"Wye" not? BigGrin - if you have the space, they are a cool feature, there are a few in NZ & Australia and add interest to the operations

I prefer the curved one best.

Cookee
Oz

There was one at the bottom of the old Steam Loco Shed yard in Cape Town many years ago - I remember how "huge" it was; was quite awesome seeing the locos coming down the line, with the fireman leaping out to change the points in time before the driver went hurtling off without him!
Dunno if I will have the space tho....mmmmmm......about that room in the roof???
Thanx, Joe

Offline river6109  
#15 Posted : 04 April 2011 10:16:58(UTC)
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Try our member weichen-walter.de he'll does it for you.

http://www.weichen-walter.de/

John
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Offline klarinettmeister  
#16 Posted : 28 May 2011 10:13:51(UTC)
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This is what I did yesterday.

It´s not small but maybe serves as inspiration. It´s a double track wye with right-hand traffic. Because of the complicated track work, signals should be added to allow only 1 train at a time. This wye is quite big though (1800*1150). BTW, I pass a single-track wye almost every day. I havent´t seen one elsewhere in Sweden but here.

Link to the wye

If you click on "karta" you can see the map instead of the satelite-picture.


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Offline mike c  
#17 Posted : 28 May 2011 18:28:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kbvrod Go to Quoted Post
Hi all,
Wye's are very rare in Europe,...

Dr D


A "wye" in German is a Gleisdreieck. They can be found near many terminal stations. Check maps.google.com for Kassel, Germany, Zuerich, Switzerland and Frankfurt (Main) (both multiple wyes), Stuttgart (Stuttgart Nord), just to name a few. Any time you have a "Kopfbahnhof" with departing tracks going off in more than one direction, it creates in effect a "gleisdreieck". More modern installations might not have the connecting line away from the Bahnhof, which means it can no longer be used as a wye.

Regards

Mike C
Offline Darren W  
#18 Posted : 28 May 2011 19:22:00(UTC)
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Thanks for pointing out those sites Mike. Does anyone know if the elevated wye at Zurich end across the river or is that a tunnel? I can't tell from the top down picture. It would make an interesting model subject with the tracks elevating and then crossing the river.

Darren
Offline mike c  
#19 Posted : 29 May 2011 01:46:22(UTC)
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Darren,

if you look on maps.google.com for Pfingsweidstrasse, Zuerich, Switzerland, the camera car actually went under the wye and you can pan left or right to see more details. That line continues north over the river and then into a tunnel heading to Zuerich Oerlikon station. The other wye branches off to the left, heading in direction of Wiedikon, Enge and Thalwil and the main lines connecting to Chur and Zug/Arth Goldau and Luzern.

Regards

Mike C
Offline mighty1  
#20 Posted : 30 May 2011 10:47:41(UTC)
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BigGrin Joe, get yourself a wintrak cd and it will make your life heaps easier.
also, in oodnadatta, which was a station on the old "Ghan" route, is wye and it was great. National Rail had a stock yard at the end of it, and it was also used in floods to turn the Ghan around.

I worked there for a short period in my younger years. nothing like seeing a loko from both sides and watching all its mechanics on show in such a short space.

hope yours is as much fun.

LOL
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