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Offline Western Pacific  
#1 Posted : 18 January 2011 17:58:24(UTC)
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New item this year 60215 CS2 - output 5A. Is this the final blow to ESU and CS1?

I seriously consider getting this new version.

Any views from those having earlier versions - are there other improvements that I have missed when looking at the Märklin Produktdatenbank - Neuheiten 2011?
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#2 Posted : 18 January 2011 18:44:33(UTC)
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http://www.maerklin.com/...ds/product_database.html



Central Station.
---------- - Article-No. 60215 Central Station.
Gauge: ----------

In addition to the widely used protocols Motorola, mfx, and DCC, the Central Station combines 2 locomotive controllers for easy, convenient control of locomotives, in addition to a large color touch screen. The representation of locomotives can be done with color images. Furthermore, the Central Station has a built-in Märklin Digital locomotive database as well as 2 built-in locomotive card readers (for saving locomotive data on a locomotive card or for quickly calling up a locomotive by inserting its card in the reader). Mfx locomotives are automatically recognized and taken into the locomotive list with all of their characteristics. There is also a powerful booster for providing power to the layout for train and accessory current, 20 Keyboards (DCC: 128) for controlling up to 320 (DCC: 2,048) solenoid accessories, a track diagram control board as well as a route controller (including shuttle train control), all of this built into the Central Station. The Central Station can be used in multiples, i.e. with the optional cable (60123) several Central Stations (60213, 60214, and/or 60215) can be operated together on a layout, whereby joint and separated configurations can be maintained in the CS2 for the layout areas to be controlled. The Central Station has a built-in USB host (for a mouse, keyboard, or USB stick) as well as a network connection for communication with a personal computer. Maximum load at the feeder track: 5 amps, maximum load at the programming track: 1.2 amps, total maximum load: 5.0 amps when used with the 60101 switched mode power pack. Dimensions 320 x 190 x 80 mm / 12-5/8" x 7-1/2" x 3-1/8".

Highlights:

* Märklin Digital multiple protocol controller for Motorola, mfx, DCC.
* Large color touch screen.
* 2 built-in locomotive controllers.
* Built-in Märklin Digital locomotive database.
* Housing with a central stop button and built-in stylus.
* Up to 16 controllable locomotive functions.
* 2 built-in locomotive card readers.
* Powerful built-in booster.
* 5.0 amp maximum output power.
* 20 (DCC: 128) Keyboards for up to 320 (DCC: 2,048) solenoid accessories.
* Built-in track diagram control board.
* Built-in route control (including shuttle train control).
* Built-in USB host for a mouse, keyboard, USB stick, etc.
* Direct connections for 2 Mobile Stations and 1 Booster.
* Expansions can be connected by means of the Märklin Bus
* Can be used in multiples.
* Network connection.



Released in: New items brochure 2011



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Offline GSRR  
#3 Posted : 18 January 2011 18:46:43(UTC)
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100 VA, 230 Volt Switched Mode Power Pack.
---------- - Article-No. 60101 100 VA, 230 Volt Switched Mode Power Pack.
Gauge: ----------

This switched mode power pack is for connecting to and for powering the 60214/60215 Central Station and the 60174 Booster. The input is 230 volts / 50 Hertz , and the output is 19 volts / 100 watts DC voltage. Tabletop switched mode power pack in a plastic housing with mounting tabs. Dimensions 190 x 96 x 65 mm / 7-1/2" x 3-3/4" x 2-9/16". Connections: 4-pin mini DIN high current plug. The 60101 switched mode power pack is designed for use in dry areas.


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Offline GSRR  
#4 Posted : 18 January 2011 18:52:37(UTC)
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Certainly a step in the right direction.

1. The 60214 is mentioned with the new 100VA SMP supply. Will there be a fix so that the older CS2 can put out 5A?

2. Nice to have 5A output.

3. Why only 16 functions? On another thread about MTH discussing DCC control, the MTH loks have 28 functions. Not sure those decoders can split to two addresses like Marklin to address more functions?

4. Bad. Yet another new SWP supply available only in 230V and not 110V or 120V. Cursing


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#5 Posted : 18 January 2011 20:17:16(UTC)
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This seems to be the one to get - for us who don't have any CS2 yet and have the 230V household power...

A 10+ amp step-up transformer as an additional investment for the 110-120V guys maybe?
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Offline mvd71  
#6 Posted : 18 January 2011 20:45:26(UTC)
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Looks good to meThumpUp I've suspected for some time that Marklin had intended to increase the horsepower on the CS2, I'm glad to see it has finally happenedLove Just have to wait for the update to be released for the 60213/4Drool

Cheers....

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#7 Posted : 18 January 2011 20:59:23(UTC)
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iPod can use with CS2.

See page 143 of Brochure (PDF) http://medienpdb.maerkli...lin_NH-Prospekt_2011.pdf

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#8 Posted : 18 January 2011 21:33:38(UTC)
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The iPod/Pad/Phone app seems to mimic the CS, I myself think that TouchCab looks more "ergonomical"...

However, a very good initiative to make a wireless controller software using widespread hardware options instead of making new clumsy proprietary hardware box...
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#9 Posted : 18 January 2011 23:36:21(UTC)
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I wonder how much Gold and Silver they will want for the CS2 60215, Power supply 60101 and the Booster 60174 and its power supply plus the assorted leads one will need.???
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#10 Posted : 18 January 2011 23:45:31(UTC)
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Just answered my own Question:

From the Maerklin Robbing Shop Inc VAT 800 euros for 60215

100 Euro for the Power Supply (Need 2, one for CS and one for Booster.)

200 Euro for the Booster

So 1200 Euro INc and 1000 With NO VAT but I guess that the online shops will be cheaper.
Will need to be .
That is a lot of Gold so will be interesting to see what Lokshop price will be. Not there yet.

Far above the ECOS Price. 589 INC VAT or 495 No VAT and that includes the 110V - 230 V Power supply.

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#11 Posted : 19 January 2011 00:00:14(UTC)
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Now M* is talking power. I always say it's best to skip a generation in computers to really feel improvemend so from CS1(r) this is the first next M* product to consider IMHO.
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#12 Posted : 19 January 2011 00:46:29(UTC)
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...About their digital command with this new I-pod/I-phone ability now Marklin is pushing their global concept at a pretty good level...
...clever, more & more complete,...
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#13 Posted : 19 January 2011 04:55:11(UTC)
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Well this gives me a wireless option with the CS2 compared to the CS1R / Ecos Radiocontrol option.

And as far as the CS2 having a 5 amp output, I hope they haven't gone too far, and we end up welding wheels to tracks when a short occurs!
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#14 Posted : 19 January 2011 12:55:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Well this gives me a wireless option with the CS2 compared to the CS1R / Ecos Radiocontrol option.

And as far as the CS2 having a 5 amp output, I hope they haven't gone too far, and we end up welding wheels to tracks when a short occurs!

.....................................................................

A good step forward before the CS4 comes along.

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#15 Posted : 19 January 2011 13:41:37(UTC)
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No Android app? Can't imagine there is a technical reason?
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#16 Posted : 19 January 2011 16:23:15(UTC)
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...About their digital command with this new I-pod/I-phone ability now Marklin is pushing their global concept at a pretty good level...
...clever, more & more complete,...


Blah. Incompatible with my iPhone 3G.
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#17 Posted : 19 January 2011 19:42:42(UTC)
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Well this gives me a wireless option with the CS2 compared to the CS1R / Ecos Radiocontrol option.

Rather like an option to iPod touch with TouchCab and CS1, CS1R or Ecos...
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#18 Posted : 19 January 2011 20:14:55(UTC)
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No Android app? Can't imagine there is a technical reason?



I'm only guessing but perhaps M* took a look at the Android market which is very fractured with handset makers and telco's being able to customize the OS and decided it was not worth the effort to support so many OS versions?

With Apple they just have to make one flavor for now. Although it may not be optimized for the iPad, it will work.


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#19 Posted : 19 January 2011 21:30:17(UTC)
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A good step forward before the CS4 comes along.



60215 is the CS4!


60212 - CS1
60213 - CS2
60214 - CS3
60215 - CS4

and judging by the recent turnover in CS model numbers, next year's new items (2012) will have a 60216/CS5!
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#20 Posted : 19 January 2011 21:38:31(UTC)
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and judging by the recent turnover in CS model numbers, next year's new items (2012) will have a 60216/CS5!

Seems like they have adopted the Apple marketing strategy... Flapper
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#21 Posted : 19 January 2011 21:40:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Webmaster Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
and judging by the recent turnover in CS model numbers, next year's new items (2012) will have a 60216/CS5!

Seems like they have adopted the Apple marketing strategy... Flapper



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#22 Posted : 19 January 2011 21:43:50(UTC)
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What are the possibilities of an upgrade for the 60214 like the CS1R? What was involved for the CS1 to increase the amperage output, was it just software?



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#23 Posted : 19 January 2011 21:56:21(UTC)
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What was involved for the CS1 to increase the amperage output, was it just software?

That was just software. But a 60 VA transformer is to weak for a 4 A booster, so it needed the 90 VA power supply to make use of that extra power.

The former limit of 2.8 A may have been related to some toy safety guidelines or to the limited transformer output.

Now that more and more Märklin items are "adults only" (including CS2 and the 00796 tin-plate coaches), they are no longer limited by toy regulations.
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#24 Posted : 19 January 2011 21:58:23(UTC)
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Yes Thomas, the limitation on the CS1 output was a software limit. This was removed when upgrading to the CS1 Reloaded.

Since Marklin did make the features of the 60214 available by software upgrade to users who had the 60213, it is hoped that the same thing will occur for 60213/60214 users to be able to upgrade to 60215 capability. I don't believe there are any hardware changes between the versions, other than 60215 needs a 100va power supply to be able to output 5 amps, which is being made available as a separate item.
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#25 Posted : 19 January 2011 22:10:01(UTC)
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Could be that Kontron were instructed to put juicier power transistors into the design some while ago... Could mean that some older CS2's may not be "upgradable". Could also be that the 60215 was the design change as a response to the CS1R by ESU... Or the initial design already had these and only need an enabler....

Future will tell... A 5A software-only upgrade will probably not be free...
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#26 Posted : 19 January 2011 22:56:25(UTC)
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Tom, David, Juhan

All good points. So at a minimum expect a software implementation, if made available to upgrade the 60213/4. If so hopefully it comes out before the new 60101 does.

There was the recent saga with the CS2 that received some back current, possibly. Perhaps an inline fuse is part of the upgrade now for the 60215?

Who would think the tinplates might have to be labeled "adult only" so as to pass muster with the safety squad. Oh well.


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#27 Posted : 19 January 2011 22:59:35(UTC)
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Future will tell... A 5A software-only upgrade will probably not be free...


Juhan - here I have to disagree! If it's possible to update to 5A only by software-upgrade it should IMHO be free of charge - cause then we already paid for the onboard-hardware. Yet we would off-course have to purchase the new power-pack...
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Offline H0  
#28 Posted : 19 January 2011 23:53:43(UTC)
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60213: RRP 699,95 EUR, Autumn 2008
60214: RRP 749,95 EUR, Summer 2009 (with DCC (free DCC support for 60213))
60215: RRP 799,95 EUR, Spring 2011 (with 5 A booster output)
60216: RRP ???, Autumn 2013 (???)

Even if they use stronger transistors: that can be few bucks only.
Laptops are getting cheaper, CS2 is growing expensive.

60213/4 users who need more power can buy a new booster (when will there be a 60175 with 5 A?) or a 60215 (that can be connected to a 60213/4).
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#29 Posted : 20 January 2011 00:28:37(UTC)
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I imagine the starter set will have the older version for offering a 60VA transformer.
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#30 Posted : 20 January 2011 00:39:37(UTC)
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60214: RRP 749,95 EUR, Summer 2009 (with DCC (free DCC support for 60213))
60215: RRP 799,95 EUR, Spring 2011 (with 5 A booster output)
...CS2 is growing expensive.



You would hope that the price difference between 60214 and 60215 is because of the 100va power supply, and nothing else. Let's hope that 60214 already has the necessary hardware (output transistors/heatsinks) to accommodate 5 amps, and with a software upgrade and 100va power supply can be made equal to 60215.

No way am I going to buy another CS2 just to get 5 amps!
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#31 Posted : 20 January 2011 03:30:52(UTC)
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Hi all,

Fishing forecast for 2011: excellent with good catches to be expected.
Forget about your last year or the year before catch but the bait is going to be dearer this year
There are also updates for some 5 amp powerful reels to get your catch even quicker into your hands.
Be aware of cheap copies and higher prices.

Enjoy your fishing hunt for a new CS. Confused

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#32 Posted : 20 January 2011 19:49:14(UTC)
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You would hope that the price difference between 60214 and 60215 is because of the 100va power supply, and nothing else.

All prices are without power supply.
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#33 Posted : 20 January 2011 21:32:51(UTC)
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Now M* is talking power. I always say it's best to skip a generation in computers to really feel improvemend so from CS1(r) this is the first next M* product to consider IMHO.
Regards, Henk

So apparently from additional information this is not a next generation but just a software upgrade. If my CS1R would burn, it would be an option but until then I'll wait until the real next generation Sneaky
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#34 Posted : 20 January 2011 21:40:33(UTC)
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So apparently from additional information this is not a next generation but just a software upgrade.


I think we are assuming that it is a software upgrade, but I don't think that that has been confirmed.
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#35 Posted : 21 January 2011 13:52:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hemau Go to Quoted Post
So apparently from additional information this is not a next generation but just a software upgrade.


I think we are assuming that it is a software upgrade, but I don't think that that has been confirmed.


I really hope for Marklin they can do it with a software update. I bought a CS1, shortly after that, they announced a CS2. And now this again...? I would be very mad.
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#36 Posted : 21 January 2011 22:15:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cyberbeast41 Go to Quoted Post
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So apparently from additional information this is not a next generation but just a software upgrade.


I think we are assuming that it is a software upgrade, but I don't think that that has been confirmed.


I really hope for Marklin they can do it with a software update. I bought a CS1, shortly after that, they announced a CS2. And now this again...? I would be very mad.


get an upgrade to CS1R from ESU. M* declared CS1 dead but it's not. If you bought the CS1 just before the entry of CS2, it is probably an updated version already and capable of the step to Reloaded (if it's not updated to version 2.0.3 or 4, I would indeed think about something else). What I now read about CS2 with 5A is not much more than CS1R with 4A max output.
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Juhan - here I have to disagree! If it's possible to update to 5A only by software-upgrade it should IMHO be free of charge - cause then we already paid for the onboard-hardware. Yet we would off-course have to purchase the new power-pack...


If so, I still think there will be an "upgrade package" including the power unit - mimicking the ESU offer for CS1 since you can't use the full capacity with the 60VA transformer...
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#38 Posted : 21 January 2011 23:24:31(UTC)
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I sent an email to Dr. Tom Catherall. His initial response is that the 60215 is meant for LGB and Marklin 1 gauge. I've written back for some clarification.


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#39 Posted : 21 January 2011 23:44:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hemau Go to Quoted Post
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So apparently from additional information this is not a next generation but just a software upgrade.


I think we are assuming that it is a software upgrade, but I don't think that that has been confirmed.


I really hope for Marklin they can do it with a software update. I bought a CS1, shortly after that, they announced a CS2. And now this again...? I would be very mad.


get an upgrade to CS1R from ESU. M* declared CS1 dead but it's not. If you bought the CS1 just before the entry of CS2, it is probably an updated version already and capable of the step to Reloaded (if it's not updated to version 2.0.3 or 4, I would indeed think about something else). What I now read about CS2 with 5A is not much more than CS1R with 4A max output.
Kind regards, Henk


I don't want to upgrade my CS1 because apparently, it wouldn't be compatible with my cs2 anymore? My brother wants to continue using the CS1 to control other parts of the track.
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#40 Posted : 23 January 2011 21:45:20(UTC)
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The interesting thing here is that the new 100VA Power Supply is listed as being for the 60214 and 60215.
If the update is not software, then what use would 100VA be for the 60214? I think 60VA is more than adequate for a 2.4 Amps.

Maybe I am just clutching at straws as I only purchased my 60214 less than 2 months agoCrying

As I have LGB as well, I would LOVE 5 AmpsLove

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Offline Moris  
#41 Posted : 24 January 2011 11:41:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: AshleyH Go to Quoted Post
The interesting thing here is that the new 100VA Power Supply is listed as being for the 60214 and 60215.
If the update is not software, then what use would 100VA be for the 60214? I think 60VA is more than adequae for a 2.4 Amps.

That's true ThumpUp.

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Maybe I am just clutching at straws as I only purchased my 60214 less than 2 months agoCrying

I am in the same boat, so let's hope that Marklin can do this with a software update RollEyes.


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Offline hemau  
#42 Posted : 24 January 2011 21:11:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cyberbeast41 Go to Quoted Post

I don't want to upgrade my CS1 because apparently, it wouldn't be compatible with my cs2 anymore? My brother wants to continue using the CS1 to control other parts of the track.

Yes indeed. From M* point of view it's a double killing of CS1, not developing it anymore and preventing the further developed CS1R to work with CS2.Angry
But for what your brother wants, it should not be reloaded.
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Offline linepro  
#43 Posted : 09 February 2011 15:23:04(UTC)
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Looking at the changeLog.xml in the latest update:

GFP - Changelog
V1.36
Eine einstellbare Leistungsabgabe der Treiberbrücke zur Anpassung an den verwendeten Trafo. Diese ist aber noch nicht aktiv, da das Gegenstück in der GUI noch fehlt
"Adjustable power output of the bridge driver to adapt to the used transformer. But this is not yet active, as the GUI portion is missing"

So the sole question is adjustable up (how far) or down only?

Certainly looks hopeful for a 60214 -> 60215 software upgrade.

Offline jeehring  
#44 Posted : 09 February 2011 17:38:44(UTC)
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it sounds good......but it might be also to adjust power output to N Scale, what do you think ?
What is the GUI (portion), what does GUI mean ?
Offline H0  
#45 Posted : 09 February 2011 17:48:45(UTC)
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GUI stands for Graphical User Interface.

You can't get 5 A out of a 3 A transformer, so probably the new CS will switch back to something like 3 A when fed from a transformer.
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Offline vimo  
#46 Posted : 09 February 2011 19:54:50(UTC)
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<< with the optional cable (60123) several Central Stations (60213, 60214, and/or 60215) can be operated together on a layout >>
Well, I have a CS1.... does this mean that the new CS2 is not able to communicate with a CS1 ?
The picture in last year's catalog clearly shows a CS2 (60214) -actually 2 in the picture- connected to a CS1.
I was considering getting the new CS2 to supplement my CS1 that cannot handle the increased power load, but I don't want to waste money.
Thanks a lot to Charles who also gave me a reference to purchase an alternative booster that works with CS1.....
Offline H0  
#47 Posted : 09 February 2011 20:15:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vimo Go to Quoted Post
<< with the optional cable (60123) several Central Stations (60213, 60214, and/or 60215) can be operated together on a layout >>
Well, I have a CS1.... does this mean that the new CS2 is not able to communicate with a CS1?

No, you need a different cable to connect a CS1 (with software 2.0.4 AFAIK).
CS1s with software 1.x.x or 3.x.x are not (currently) supported.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#48 Posted : 09 February 2011 21:06:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hemau Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: cyberbeast41 Go to Quoted Post

I don't want to upgrade my CS1 because apparently, it wouldn't be compatible with my cs2 anymore? My brother wants to continue using the CS1 to control other parts of the track.

Yes indeed. From M* point of view it's a double killing of CS1, not developing it anymore and preventing the further developed CS1R to work with CS2.Angry
But for what your brother wants, it should not be reloaded.



The only way around this that I know of is to use the Professional version of ITrains on a PC, as iTrains can support multiple controllers at the same time. iTrains is then acting as a bridge between the 2 controllers (I'm yet to test this though).
Offline laalves  
#49 Posted : 10 February 2011 11:20:21(UTC)
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Raising the available current to 5 Amp may also be excellent to solder wheels and sliders to the rail and pukos, thus creating permanent display rolling stock in the layout.... ;)
Offline jeehring  
#50 Posted : 10 February 2011 13:13:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: laalves Go to Quoted Post
Raising the available current to 5 Amp may also be excellent to solder wheels and sliders to the rail and pukos, thus creating permanent display rolling stock in the layout.... ;)

.....how or why ?
Lenz also makes 5 A boosters for DCC...
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