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Bayer		#1 Posted : 31 July 2008 13:15:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 176 Location: Helsingør, Denmark		Hi all, Yesterday I were visiting one of my favorite Märklin dealers. They got the whole basement filled up with old and used Märklin. "Unfortunately" (if you look at the price) I felt in love with a near mint TT 800 with the original box. My question is then: how do I clean the gears and rods without damaging the paint, and how do I clean the shell? Normally I use benzine to clean the gears and remove oily dirt, but i don´t want to make experiments with the wheels and rods on this expensive loco. So if some of you have a good cleaning-tip, I would like to know. Picture: (I can post more pictures of the loco later today or tomorrow, if want me to do it.) Thank you for reading. Thor
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M Neilson		#2 Posted : 31 July 2008 13:56:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/12/2007(UTC) Posts: 43 Location: Gore, Southland		Of course we want to see more pictures
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Caplin		#3 Posted : 31 July 2008 16:28:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bayer <br />..."Unfortunately" (if you look at the price) I felt in love with a near mint TT 800 with the original box. Yes, more pictures please. If the first picture is representative for the whole loco I would say that you have a good job in front of you (not so "mint"). I know the feeling when one comes across a "must have" item. [:p] Hopefully you will get some helpful answers shortly. Keep us posted with before/after pictures.
		Regards, Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL
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pa-pauls		#4 Posted : 31 July 2008 16:46:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,841 Location: Norway		Why not use normal Q-Tips to remove the dirt If the dirt is sitting really hard use some Zalo or alike on the Q-Tips
		Pål Paulsen Märklin Spur 1 Digital, epoche 3
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Bayer		#5 Posted : 31 July 2008 17:52:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 176 Location: Helsingør, Denmark		Many thanks for the tip Pål. It worked. I just wanted to make sure, that I could use something, that not would damaging the paint. Here are some before/after pictures: Later today, when the loco is up and running, I'll post some more pictures. Thor
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pa-pauls		#6 Posted : 31 July 2008 18:40:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,841 Location: Norway		Nice Thor Waiting for more pictures [:p]
		Pål Paulsen Märklin Spur 1 Digital, epoche 3
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Bayer		#7 Posted : 31 July 2008 20:21:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 176 Location: Helsingør, Denmark		Here are some pictures: Together with two of my "Ganzmetallwagens", 334.3 shell and 324.4. The TT 800 is a very strong engine with a very low gearing. I've tried it on a little oval lay-out, and it pulls many wagons without driving slower. But it's funny, nothing seems to beat my passenger loco SK 800 in pulling-power, not even locos like the TT 800 which is made for pulling a lot of freight cars. Thor
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Caplin		#8 Posted : 31 July 2008 22:18:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		Hi Thor. Thanks for the pictures. Congratulations with a fine engine. It looks really heavy duty. I understand you "fell" for that. I did not know that a TT 800 is also a BR 86. I love tanklocos myself. I have a couple of 85/86's. However looking at picture 2 and 3 the body seems to be tilting to the side with respect to the wheels and track. Are you sure it is assembled correctly? [:I] Is the loco in its original state (i.e running analog I presume) - I see the original M-track pieces - or do you run it digitally on another layout?
		Regards, Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL
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Caplin		#9 Posted : 31 July 2008 22:44:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		Oh - them good ol'days. Look at picture 2. The "62,-" written on the label to the left of "TT 800" is probably Danish currency (that would compare to appr. 8,50 EUR)!
		Regards, Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL
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steventrain		#10 Posted : 31 July 2008 23:03:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Very nice chassic engine. Congratulations, Bayer.
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Bayer		#11 Posted : 31 July 2008 23:10:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 176 Location: Helsingør, Denmark		Thank you for the comment. After you wrote about the tilting on picture 2 and 3, I looked at the loco, and it was just fine. The reason why the loco is tilting, is that the track is very used and the box isn't horizontal. The loco is in its completely original state, even with the original wires and reverse unit. Right now at this monent, I don't have a lay-out, because I don't have enough space available. I'm mostly collecting old Märklin from before the sixties, and I want to keep them in their original state. It Breaks my hart to see old vintage Märklin from the beginning of the fifties digitalized. Thor
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Bayer		#12 Posted : 31 July 2008 23:23:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 176 Location: Helsingør, Denmark		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Caplin Look at picture 2. The "62,-" written on the label to the left of "TT 800" is probably Danish currency (that would compare to appr. 8,50 EUR)! A god guess, but it is west German d-marks. The picture above is from 1953 from the Märklin "Haubtkatalog". My TT 800 is the last version made (54-56). It's funny to see, that the SK 800 almost had the same price as the TT 800.
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Caplin		#13 Posted : 01 August 2008 01:25:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bayer <br /> It Breaks my hart to see old vintage Märklin from the beginning of the fifties digitalized. ..True words from a genuine collector. I respect that. I myself is quite the opposite. I want to play with my trains, and that means that I enjoy seeing any loco running smoothly with lights on even when stopped and reverse direction without flashing front lights when the reverser unit is activated. So digitalizing is the thing for me. I actually enjoy very much the work involved much assisted by members here.[^]
		Regards, Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL
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drstapes		#14 Posted : 01 August 2008 02:34:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/08/2004(UTC) Posts: 764 Location: Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk		What a wonderful engine, thanks for the pictures. regards
		Regards Geoff (UK) marklin HO from the 50's and 60's
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jvuye		#15 Posted : 07 October 2008 20:45:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,881 Location: South Western France		Hello Thor I was looking at the pictures and noticed your TT800 was missing the light inversion mechanism If you care to know what it looks like , let me know, I'll take a pic from my own TT. Kind regards
		Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
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Bayer		#16 Posted : 08 October 2008 22:48:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 176 Location: Helsingør, Denmark		Yes, that would be great to see the light inversion mechanism. I have a question: Why was it necessary to use a "Schleppschalter" on the first versions of the MS 800, TT 800, CCS 800 etc., when on later versions like my TT 800, the change of light direction, is working through the reverse unit? Has it something to do with a difference between older and later reverse units? Regards Thor
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intruder		#17 Posted : 09 October 2008 00:48:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Very good, Thor. I normally use a dish washing soap and an old toothbrush when I clean locomotives. After the cleaning I rinse with as warm water as I can handle.
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Renato		#18 Posted : 10 October 2008 21:15:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/03/2004(UTC) Posts: 976 Location: Gorizia, Italy		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bayer <br /> I'm mostly collecting old Märklin from before the sixties, and I want to keep them in their original state. It Breaks my hart to see old vintage Märklin from the beginning of the fifties digitalized. Thor Hi Thor, I agree 100% with you as If I want to have a digital model I buy it new (for example the E103) and do not modify my original E03 of the 70s. Bye Renato
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seatrains		#19 Posted : 11 October 2008 08:08:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 669 Location: Shoreline, WA		I agree with you. I use warm soap & water, but I am gentle and I always test a small area on the outside. For the under the body shell, I have been more aggressive using a toothbrush. I have also have had good results (again testing a small area) polishing very gently the shell and wheels, with the cotton buffing wheel on my dremel.
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Bigdaddynz		#20 Posted : 11 October 2008 09:14:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		Great pictures and a great find Thor. Where is the dealer you purchased this from?
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Bayer		#21 Posted : 11 October 2008 10:52:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 176 Location: Helsingør, Denmark		Thank you all for your advises. The dealer, where i got this loco from, is called "Togcenter Gentofte", and lies very near Copenhagen, the capitol of Denmark. www.togcenter.dk It is a fantastic dealer, with a lot of used Märklin. Not that long ago, I bought a 354.2 "Gepäckwagen" there. Regards Thor
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WelshMatt		#22 Posted : 16 October 2008 11:21:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,345 Location: ,		I've had considerable success with those ultrasonic cleaners for old chassis - just put them in with warm water and a squirt of washing up liquid and run the timer. It works well on bodyshells too, but make sure that the painted segments aren't touching the inside (stand it upright on the base of the tank in the middle) as it could scratch them slightly if the ultrasonic vibrations move the part against the base or sides. It worked very well on an old Hornby Dublo loco of similar vintage to this, cleaning all the crud of fifty years of carpetbahns out without needing me to dismantle the chassis. I then simply rinsed with plain water, left it in the airing cupboard to dry, and re-oiled. It runs very smoothly on the test stand and just needs proper track for some exercise.
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