Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio
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My search is for which company is currently the best of all the model railroad manufacturers and I keep coming back to Maerklin. My evaluation is nothing quantitative or cerebral but purely a visceral reaction (how I feel).
Sure, HAG offers great stuff but its line-up of products is rather limited and there are none of the extras (periodicals, a complete line of locomotives from Germany and other countries, a line of passenger, railcars and freight, different scales and track, signals, electronics, etc.)offered by Maerklin plus the prices of HAG are sky-high especially in USDs. Brawa is wonderful and I have some of their models, but somehow their line-up and its presentation to me is not as rewarding or as attractive as Maerklin's. I am interested but do not wait to read about their line-up of models as I do with Maerklin.
I really like Bemo at HOm scale but it is again a niche player. For me, Lionel is a wonderful company in "O" gauge and offers great products but its production schedule is nonething close to as reliable as that of Maerklin's. MTH offers great and reasonably priced line of models but being brought up on Lionel, I favor Lionel.
When I look locally for service there is Maerklin, Inc. company in the USA which has a proven record for providing outstanding service of what they can do locally for customers for decades, even given their association with Walther's.
So, in summary, I can think of no other line from any model railroad manufacturer who gives me a great choice of models that I like, range of supporting products and a whole system of products that lives up to my expectations.
Well, I guess that is why this web site exists but each of you may have your own opinion.
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Joined: 22/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 676 Location: Shoreline, WA
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Larry, I have enjoyed reading your post's and I have much Marklin, but I have to tell you that when I look at my son's Kato n scale, I think it is terrific. This is from someone who has recent Marklin, Lionel, LGB & Bachmann (G scale). It is not my intent to start a war over this topic, just to mention how great Kato is (dependable, quiet,very good low speed running, great detail etc.). I hope the new guys at Goppingen do some reverse engineering, because I think Kato is doing something right. I know that everyone else on the list has an opinion but we are all here because we all appreciate Marklin/ Trix/ LGB. |
Thom European Train Enthusiast - Pacific Northwest Chapter 4th Division, Pacific Northwest Region, National Model Railroaders Association |
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Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio
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Thanks, Thom. Great point about KATO. I could not agree with you about KATO more. Before getting into Maerklin I tried KATO HO but they didn't cover European trains from the US and seemed much more limited than Maerklin HO but high quality stuff. I have pursued KATO N gauge and recently acquired a Great Northern F7 diesel and cars (orange and dark green)from a train show. It is wonderful and I have a few high speed KATO Japanese sets that are lighted. Also, they did a fantastic job with the Santa Fe streamliner set. And, they keep coming out with new sets. I couldn't agree with your assessment more (dependable, quite, good low speed and great detail).
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Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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I went to vist Kato in suburban Tokyo, in about 1998. They have a really nice museum of all their product ever sold, taking up a complete floor. At about that time I purchased 2 of Kato HO modern US diesels. Yes, I agree, exquisitely made, and excuisite running. However, I believe Marklin to be the stand-out manufacturer because of: 1. complete operating system which includes trackage, controllers, digital functions, operating accessories, rolling stock and engines. (Kato as an example of many manufacturers, rely on other manufacturers for digital control, track (in HO) etc etc.) 2. reasonably wide variety of European prototype (I dare not include the US models). 3. the reliability of their product.
regards Kimball
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HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge. |
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Joined: 11/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,151 Location: istanbul,
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Larry <br />I can think of no other line from any model railroad manufacturer who gives me a great choice of models that I like, range of supporting products and a whole system of products that lives up to my expectations. Hi, I guess that summarizes the way I see the whole picture. I admire Marklin in standing behind their products for such a long time; I know how hard it can be -almost a miracle- to lead an industry, to keep up with the competition, AND comply with your "backward compatibility" promise all at the same time ... I should know because my job is to write programs and I have to make sure all new versions are backward compatible, leading edge, and competitive. Well, thanks for bringing this up, so that we can thank the people who have been making us happy for such a long time. Regards, Cem. |
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Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD
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My 2 bobs worth. MArklin. A One stop shopping solution for all your needs. and Good Quality and detailing. N |
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around |
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Joined: 23/10/2007(UTC) Posts: 705 Location: ,
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As a relatively new-to-the-hobby guy,and from seeing Koert run some other makes,let me just tell you,that on his layout....you will walk with that loco around there....unless its a Marklin.   I like inclines and levels.And nothing out there can pull any incline like a Marklin.Oh i giggled when Koerta bought this monster American mallet 2-8-8-2 with all the bells and whistles and a boiler the size of a coffeepot,just to get its ass handed to it by little BR86.   Just for fun i hooked 39160 the FrancoCrosti 42.9 to the front of this monster mallet and pulled that and its consist right over the incline.   No sirree,the Marklins might not have all the funky little details like a Brawa,but as Koert says,wherever his Brawa class 18 goes,he walks behind it to vacuum up the pieces that fall off hehehehe. And we all know the older Marklins are noisy bastards.I mean the old 5-pole isnt the first in the queue when it comes to refinement,but it pulls hard and it needs very little maintenance.And it stops for bugger-all. Id rather grind my way around a layout for millions of laps,than have to walk with a dead quiet loco that stops dead if the kettle switches on.   Ok,i have me brand spanking new asbestos flaming suit on....let rip. |
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Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,458 Location: Scotland
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For quailty of manufacture HAG
For Detail Brawa
For a wide selection of models at a fair price Roco
The One I buy cos its best Marklin ( now being selective before purchasing)
David |
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer. |
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Joined: 12/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 703 Location: ,
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N-scale: Tomix for smooth running and complete system (except digital, but digital isn't done much in Japan), MicroAce for their steamers and special models.
H0-scale: Marklin for their Bavarian items, Tomix for incredible detail.
If I'd have to pick an overall best across all the scales, it'd be Tomix hands down. |
- Martijn (early planning : H0-scale Era I K.Bay.sts.b) (active planning : N-scale mixed late Era Japanese) (possibly something Z-scale as well ;)) |
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Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,594 Location: Spain
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Point for point you can always find somebody who does it better than Märklin. -But overall nobody does as much, as well, as Märklin. That concept has worked for genereations. Now it is time that they left to other what they do badly, and concentrate on what they do well. (IMHO) (Internet and information in abundance + competition now makes it practically impossible to bind costumers to one brand only) |
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Joined: 04/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,652 Location: New Zealand
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by hxmiesa <br />Point for point you can always find somebody who does it better than Märklin. -But overall nobody does as much, as well, as Märklin. That concept has worked for genereations. Now it is time that they left to other what they do badly, and concentrate on what they do well. (IMHO) (Internet and information in abundance + competition now makes it practically impossible to bind costumers to one brand only)
Agreed. Even the likes of ESU & Viessmann - I have only purchased from them because I have Marklin in the first place. Scoring on a 1 - 10 for overall satisfaction I easily rate Marklin in the 8 - 9 category. |
Lord Macca New Zealand branch of Clan Donald.
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Joined: 09/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,346 Location: Longueuil, Quebec
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Larry <br />Thanks, Thom. Great point about KATO. I could not agree with you about KATO more. Before getting into Maerklin I tried KATO HO but they didn't cover European trains from the US and seemed much more limited than Maerklin HO but high quality stuff. I have pursued KATO N gauge and recently acquired a Great Northern F7 diesel and cars (orange and dark green)from a train show. It is wonderful and I have a few high speed KATO Japanese sets that are lighted. Also, they did a fantastic job with the Santa Fe streamliner set. And, they keep coming out with new sets. I couldn't agree with your assessment more (dependable, quite, good low speed and great detail).
I have just ordered a HO Canadian Pacific AC4400 made by Kato and a Digitrax DCC and sound decoder for it. I hope to give you my first impressions soon now. By the way, Märklin is still # 1 for European MRR to my opinion. Pierre.
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Joined: 12/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 703 Location: ,
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It's actually hard to say who's best, considering it really depends on which prototype you're modeling, and in which scale. For European H0, Marklin is hard to beat, but they have nothing on the various brands in the American H0 market for example. |
- Martijn (early planning : H0-scale Era I K.Bay.sts.b) (active planning : N-scale mixed late Era Japanese) (possibly something Z-scale as well ;)) |
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Joined: 06/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 655
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Gentlemen,
Tough question. I would have to say the original TRIX line (Express/Twin and International) was the was the best along with the original Maerklin. I know digital operation adds a lot to the hobby and modernizes it, but there is nothing to compare to the standard analogue motors, complete metal locomotives and the smell of ozone!!
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Regards (a Scot in Wisconsin),
Maurice [ETE, TTRCA, IG-TRIX Express, Maerklin-Insider & TRIX Profi-Club]
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Joined: 11/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,151 Location: istanbul,
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by TTRExpress <br />there is nothing to compare ... the smell of ozone!!
Yesssss! Strongest argument there is. One hint of the smell is enough to take me to my childhood. Superb. Regards, Cem. |
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Joined: 06/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,573 Location: ,
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It all depends on who's opinion you ask. I have colleagues who model O-scale 2 rail dcc. They feel I pay to much for HO trains. When I saw one of their club members $4,000.00 custom brass loco's., I replied: you tell me I spend too much!
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Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe
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I have to admit that the smell of ozone always reminds me of my childhood and playing with my Marklin trains.
What is it that liberates that much ozone, anyway, and why doesn't it happen so much with DC motors? Does anyone have a scientific explanation?
Ray |
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Joined: 04/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,652 Location: New Zealand
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Interesting point Maurice. I have a wooden tool box that belonged to my dad. Opening that brings back the smells from our under-floor garage back in the 50-60's, and my Marklin layout was down there as well. If I open that and run an analogue 3000 or 3005 then I feel I am transported back in time. Love it!!! |
Lord Macca New Zealand branch of Clan Donald.
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Joined: 06/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 655
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Ray,
Electrical arcs do produce ozone. Arcing can happen with both DC and AC motors especially when the commutation is poor. Arc flashes between the brush arms around the surface of the commutator and results in a high current surge from the supply which causes oxygen molecules (O2) to recombine into O3 (ozone).
Hope this helps explain it. |
Regards (a Scot in Wisconsin),
Maurice [ETE, TTRCA, IG-TRIX Express, Maerklin-Insider & TRIX Profi-Club]
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Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,278
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H0 DCC = Digital Command Control
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Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by TTRExpress <br />Ray,
Electrical arcs do produce ozone. Arcing can happen with both DC and AC motors especially when the commutation is poor. Arc flashes between the brush arms around the surface of the commutator and results in a high current surge from the supply which causes oxygen molecules (O2) to recombine into O3 (ozone).
Hope this helps explain it.
So for earth day tomorrow, go out and buy a marklin with a c-sinus motor to help reduce Ozone.  |
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Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,692 Location: United Kingdom
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The best was Roco/Marklin/Fleischmann. |
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Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway
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Best regards Svein, Norway grumpy old sod
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Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta
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Errr... Marklin ?  I agree with what everyone has said here. When I made the selection to go HO scale, I looked at which brand offers complete package,locomotive quality (strong pullers, ability to climb inclines)details (and metal locos [:p]), and of course, plain old reliability. Ok, Marklin's has not got perfect record in some areas / with some models, and I do envy the selection available to Roco, for example. |
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Joined: 06/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,573 Location: ,
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Is it ozone that I smell sometimes when I run a Loc that has been idle for some time? I thought it was dirt burning off the carbon brushes.
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Joined: 06/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 655
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It is most likely a combination of burning of dirt and some arcing. |
Regards (a Scot in Wisconsin),
Maurice [ETE, TTRCA, IG-TRIX Express, Maerklin-Insider & TRIX Profi-Club]
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Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio
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Interesting, thanks for your comments.
Like many of you I tried other HO brands and concluded that the value of Maerklin far exceeded the others, even with the higher cost. I am still blown away by the annual selection of models and in different gauges. The menu from each year is simply incredibly and is unlike the scope offerred by any other company in any gauge (or so it seems to me). I don't know how Maerklin does it year after year. The programs are so ambitious and 2008, all things considered, is also in that category.
Yes, Maurice, Ray, Cem and others, yes, nothing like the ozone coming from a old Lionel trolley, switcher or gang car! Is that healthy? Whatever, it zaps me right back to childhood and the wonder of trains. I am sure the ozone smell could be manufactured and used in smoke stacks of Maerklin locomotives!
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Joined: 17/07/2005(UTC) Posts: 260 Location: Viña del Mar, Chile
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I depends what you modeling, overall: 1) If you model DB Steam, without a doubt Fleischmann first, Roco second. 2) If you model Era I and II, Brawa first, Fleischmann and Marklin/Trix second. 3) If you model DB electric, Marklin/Trix, Roco second. 4) If you model DR, piko. 5) If you model SBB electric, HAG. 6) If you model SBB steam, God helps you because not much models around.
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Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,594 Location: Spain
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by dntower85So for earth day tomorrow, go out and buy a marklin with a c-sinus motor to help reduce Ozone.  On the contrary; On earthday run your old 3000's and help to replace the ozone layer! |
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Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,594 Location: Spain
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Gustavo Villa 6) If you model SBB steam, God helps you because not much models around. Not many prototypes neither, right??? |
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Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,772 Location: New Zealand
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Marklin for me. I have never owned another brand as yet, although I'm eyeing up one or two Roco models.
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Joined: 06/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 181 Location: ,
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HEY how dose TYCO sound  [:o)]  its what got me started in this train world 40 + years ago. my 2 bits .as for my best M* BIG BOY . from pat n cece |
back on land but it feels funny |
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Joined: 06/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,573 Location: ,
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Of course, I was a little tyke, but I remeber Tyco. I think they got into multinational conglomerate investing? The Logo looks identical!
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Not sure whats going on with tyco. But i also love then model kits stations they had for cars like the push button log dunp ,freigth,and other buildings .I still got most off them on the set or wating to be detail to go on.Iam woundering if M* makes kits like dose .Wear iam at the M* shop is 100kl away and they are remodeling . M* web i cant seem to get the info i want . pat n cece |
back on land but it feels funny |
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Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Hi PG, In order to get something off Marklins website, you have to use the "Online-Shop". http://www.maerklinshop.de/inde...f64944eaacee7a9dec3&This part of the site is also the Marklin catalog, and you can hit the English button to get it all in English. You don't have to buy anything, but you can search by product type, or catalog number. About Tyco. I agree somewhat. That little log loader was one of the best little playthings around, and looked quite good when weathered. However, the mechanism was easily dislodged or broken (wire levers etc) I would encourage Marklin to do something similar, because I think they would do it so much better, and more robustly. Now about the "best" model train manufacturer. Last night I hooked up my first Marklin signals on my small layout, they are not the digital type, just the Hobby series. It all went together so well, and worked perfectly, it confirms with me that Marklin are the best. I used a Home signal, and a Distant signal, and they are superb models in their own right, and quite cheap (about $25 each). Now I will be inclined to try a digital signal or two to hook up to my Central Station. regards Kimball |
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge. |
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Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,278
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Mostly of you have only choiseing Marklin,so i wonder if you have another manufacturer in yours heart by thinking of it...?
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H0 DCC = Digital Command Control
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Joined: 17/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 970 Location: Okanagan Valley, BC
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy <br />Mostly of you have only choiseing Marklin,so i wonder if you have another manufacturer in yours heart by thinking of it...?
Goofy
[:0][:0][:0][:0] Should be no surprise at this site should it?
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Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165
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Anyone is free to start a brawa-users.net, roco-users.net or such for other forum focus...   Märklin is the best for me overall, so I started this one...  |
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Joined: 17/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 970 Location: Okanagan Valley, BC
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Webmaster<br />Anyone is free to start a brawa-users.net, roco-users.net or such for other forum focus...   Märklin is the best for me overall, so I started this one...  Many, many thanks BTW..... 
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Joined: 16/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 793 Location: Pittsburgh,
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When I started collecting Marklin my Italian friends told me it was the "rolls-royce" of model trains and it still is for me. I think some Roco models have much more detail but I hate their plastic bodies etc. For me, M* is no.1 but I also have HAGs, Roco and Rivarossi for Italian trains (that very few model). As I mentioned in other posts, I may increase my Rivarossi collection because I find them very nice for the money (usually you can get a loco for 150-160 Euros), but only buy them for Italian trains (since Marklin covers them very little) |
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Joined: 27/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 353 Location: Taipei,
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Marklin is my first choice even if i hate its wide fringe and less detailed than Fleishmann or Roco. i asked myself why i choose Marklin instead of other brands since 7 years ago? Metal bodies is the mainly considered reason.
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Joined: 11/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,151 Location: istanbul,
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by shannon <br />... less detailed than Fleishmann or Roco. Hi, I think this is an urban myth. Marklin locomotives are as well detailed as other locomotives in its' price class of other manufacturers. And you get lots of metal not cheap plastic for that price. Examples: Br 42.90 Franco-Crosti, Br 55 (G8.1), new Br 50, E69, etc. When making the "detail" comparison one must take the date of production into consideration. Best regards, Cem. |
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