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Offline DasBert33  
#1 Posted : 04 February 2008 21:37:29(UTC)
DasBert33

Belgium   
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Hi all,

I recently acquired a Marklin 26537 package (Ep3/6 + 3 3-axle cars). I discovered the following issues:
- The 2 wheels on the back bogey of the loco won't turn freely. I have tried cleaning them, reoiling them, ...without effect. They won't turn when the loco is running [V]. (the do turn by hand) It's a little stupid watching the loco while the wheels are dragged along.
- The 3 axle cars sometimes derail on R1 curves because the middle axle can't shift freely enough. This seems to be caused by a molding imperfectness, a (very) small edge of plastic that blocks the axle. If the cars don't derail it generates enough drag to slow down the loc significantly, especially on a ramp. Even my bigger locos have problems with these cars.

I was wondering whether any of you have this set, and what your experiences are? Upon inspection of the loco it also has a very Trix/DC construction. The cover is clipped on, instead of screwed, which makes maintenance not easy. All in all I don't think this will be one of my better purchases. [xx(]

Bert
Offline David Dewar  
#2 Posted : 04 February 2008 21:47:14(UTC)
David Dewar

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Bert Send it back for a refund. It is not what you required when you bought it so why pay for it. If you dont complain and get your hard earned cash back then Marklin and the dealer think you are satisfied.

David
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
Offline DasBert33  
#3 Posted : 04 February 2008 21:59:55(UTC)
DasBert33

Belgium   
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I have to admit I bought the loco from ebay at a very attractive price. It was from a dealer who had a dozen advertised. (He still has sets for sale now). Given the good price it will be too expensive to pay for the postage to send them back. Despite that I would like to get the set to run as good as possible (and warn others before they make a purchase), because it looks quite nice (when not running wink).

If it was a local dealer, and a premium price (like the ridiculous recommended price for this set) I would return it ASAP!

Bert
Offline WelshMatt  
#4 Posted : 04 February 2008 22:11:36(UTC)
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Your best bet with the coaches is probably to disassemble the offending parts and trim away the flash. The loco may be harder. First, check the back to back measurements on the jammed wheels (they may have been pushed too far onto the axles). Failing that, check for any flash. It really does sound like a case of a fraction of a millimetre making the difference.
Matt from Wales.

When you pay Range Rover prices, don't accept Lada quality
Offline steventrain  
#5 Posted : 04 February 2008 22:17:24(UTC)
steventrain

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Sorry to hear that, Send it back for full refund.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline Caplin  
#6 Posted : 04 February 2008 23:22:18(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DasBert33
<br />The 2 wheels on the back bogey of the loco won't turn freely. I have tried cleaning them, reoiling them, ...without effect. They won't turn when the loco is running (they do turn by hand).
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by WelshMatt
<br />... First, check the back to back measurements on the jammed wheels (they may have been pushed too far onto the axles). Failing that, check for any flash. It really does sound like a case of a fraction of a millimetre making the difference.
I think that Matt is right about wrong positioning of the wheels on that axle. Are there any sideplay at all of the wheels with regard to the outer tracks when the loco is resting on the track?
The inside (back to back) measurement between the wheels must be 13.9 mm.
If that is ok, the axle (wheels) must be touching something on the base of the loco when it is resting on the track.



Regards,
Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL

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Offline Sander van Wijk  
#7 Posted : 05 February 2008 00:13:58(UTC)
Sander van Wijk

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Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands; Göteborg, Sverige,
Is there a spring present to apply the necessary pressure on the bogey? And if so, could you bend it a little more in order to increase this pressure? I happen to have this set as well and mine runs perfectly fine. Good luck!
Sander
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Offline mrmarklin  
#8 Posted : 05 February 2008 00:24:39(UTC)
mrmarklin

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DasBert33
<br />Hi all,

I recently acquired a Marklin 26537 package (Ep3/6 + 3 3-axle cars). I discovered the following issues:
- The 2 wheels on the back bogey of the loco won't turn freely. I have tried cleaning them, reoiling them, ...without effect. They won't turn when the loco is running [V]. (the do turn by hand) It's a little stupid watching the loco while the wheels are dragged along.
- The 3 axle cars sometimes derail on R1 curves because the middle axle can't shift freely enough. This seems to be caused by a molding imperfectness, a (very) small edge of plastic that blocks the axle. If the cars don't derail it generates enough drag to slow down the loc significantly, especially on a ramp. Even my bigger locos have problems with these cars.

I was wondering whether any of you have this set, and what your experiences are? Upon inspection of the loco it also has a very Trix/DC construction. The cover is clipped on, instead of screwed, which makes maintenance not easy. All in all I don't think this will be one of my better purchases. [xx(]

Bert


I have the set and it runs well with no problems. I'll look at me set to possibly see how to address you problems.

Dave Pryor
From the People's Republik of Kalifornia
Offline Caplin  
#9 Posted : 05 February 2008 02:16:09(UTC)
Caplin


Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC)
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A suggestion to Bert, Sander and Dave who all have the set:

Take fairly close up pictures from the bottom, from the front and side of the 2' bogie (Achsfolge 1’C 2’). Then we might identify a difference by comparison.

Remember that the wheels can be turned by hand when not resting on the track but cannot turn when on the track! The weight of the loco must be pressing hard on the wheels in order to block them completely.

The bogie frame might have been installed upside down, front to rear (remember the loco shown a while back where the magnet was mounted upside down! - That was identified by pictures) or a spacing collar might be missing.

May be pictures can help.

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Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 14:10:02(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Regards,
Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL

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Offline Sander van Wijk  
#10 Posted : 05 February 2008 09:48:25(UTC)
Sander van Wijk

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Sounds like a good way to identify the issue, unfortunately, all my trains are left in the Netherlands whereas I'm staying in Sweden for at least 4 more months. Won't be able to help in this matter. Sorry.
Sander
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Offline Caplin  
#11 Posted : 05 February 2008 10:23:13(UTC)
Caplin


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Location: Denmark
@ Sander: Pleased to hear that you are in Scandinavia (you have probably told this before [:I]). Hope you enjoy your stay and don't work too hard! wink

Well, Bert. I am confident that the solution is just around the corner as the problem is not of the intermittent happening kind but a straight physical one.

Hopefully Dave is able to send some very close up pictures, so you can do a first hand comparison, and/or send some yourself if possible for the forum to look at.

As you know, we are the sharpest knives in the drawer here at Märklin-users.net biggrin.



Regards,
Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL

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Offline DasBert33  
#12 Posted : 05 February 2008 12:09:55(UTC)
DasBert33

Belgium   
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Hi all, thanks for your replies,

Checked the issue again this morning before going to work after reading your replies. The bogey seems to be inserted normally, so no inversion a la BR05.

There is a spring present under the bogey and the pressure appears ok, I think if it would press a lot harder it would maybe lift the traction tires from the rails.

The thing I did notice after I removed the wheels from the bogey is that they have a 'fat' metal part in the middle that just fits between the plastic clips. On the clips there is some molding 'flash' (Is this the correct term then?) that seems create additional friction on the sides of that fat part. Tonight (if I have the time) I will try to remove it with a sharp knife. I will also try to take some pictures.

Benny, I think you are right it is a plain mechanical problem. Would be much happier though if it worked right out of the box.

About the cars, I wonder whether it'll help to some oil on the shifting part of the middle axle, or if I'll do more bad with that than good. Once applied it will be very difficult to remove the oil again.

Bert

Offline Sander van Wijk  
#13 Posted : 05 February 2008 12:58:44(UTC)
Sander van Wijk

Netherlands   
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Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands; Göteborg, Sverige,
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DasBert33
<br />
About the cars, I wonder whether it'll help to some oil on the shifting part of the middle axle, or if I'll do more bad with that than good. Once applied it will be very difficult to remove the oil again.



As memory serves, I used silocone spray to lubricate it, but only a bit. The advantage is in the fact that it does not make the cars sticky, like oil does.
Sander
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Era I(b): K.Bay.Sts.B. and K.W.St.E.
Offline WelshMatt  
#14 Posted : 05 February 2008 13:02:51(UTC)
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That moulding flash is most likely the cause of the problem - certainly it sounded as though the wheels could turn, just not as freely as they need to.

Flash is the word we use here, not sure about the rest of the world. It's caused when plastic seeps between the segments of a mould and is usually seen on worn tooling. Some kits that have been in production for some time are covered in the stuff!
Matt from Wales.

When you pay Range Rover prices, don't accept Lada quality
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