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Larry		#1 Posted : 22 November 2007 09:04:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		For some time, I've been hoping to acquire HAG HO models. That time came recently and I wanted to share some pics of what I acquired. While some of the loks and freight cars in these pics are Maerklin, most are HAG and I'm very pleased with the quality. Of course, I had a learning curve like with their strange couplers. For starters, when I received the SBB Cargo lok I called Mike and told him they sent the wrong couplers and, oh yeah, what was the digital address? Oh, well. While I'm not fanatical about freight cars, I found HAG's to be captivating in that they are somewhat unusual just like the prototypes that travel through the Alps. (Sorry some pics are blurry - - - pretend it's high altitude fog.)
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Guus		#2 Posted : 22 November 2007 09:58:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Hi Larry, It's nice to know there are quite a few Märklin forum members now who are also enthusiastic about HAG. HAGs freight cars are excellent.Lots of detail and often supplied with nice cargo. HAGs couplers are a bit old fashioned i think.Thanks to NEM they can easily be changed to other types. Could you show a picture of the Ae 6/6 please,that a HAG also isn't it? Kind regards Guus
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Larry		#3 Posted : 22 November 2007 10:52:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		Guus - Thanks for your comment. Yes, that is the new HAG Ae 6/6 with sound. I'd like to show you a better photo of it but I have to figure out how to make it more clear. Some pics come out clear and others don't. I'll try and repost this weekend.
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hxmiesa		#4 Posted : 22 November 2007 10:59:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,594 Location: Spain		Question; Aren´t all waggons from HAG really Fleischmann models, or did that change? (-or are they additional supered (cargo-loads excluded) or something, because I remember when they were just stock Fleischmann...)
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Guus		#5 Posted : 22 November 2007 11:05:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Hi Larry, Maybe you know this already ,but concerning digital photography there'e a trick you may apply which gives reasonable results. Switch off the flash,point your camera to a bright lightsource and then take your picture,holding the camera as steady as you possibly can. Kind regards Guus
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Guus		#6 Posted : 22 November 2007 11:16:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		originally posted by Henrik: Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Question; Aren´t all waggons from HAG really Fleischmann models, or did that change? (-or are they additional supered (cargo-loads excluded) or something, because I remember when they were just stock Fleischmann...) For all I know HAGs models are designed relying heavily on Fleischmanns example. Their latest passenger cars #65 000 through #65 004 are made in cooperation with Fleischmann. KInd regards Guus
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David Dewar		#7 Posted : 22 November 2007 13:17:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,458 Location: Scotland		Larry. Congratulations on your HAG purchases. Great models and they work straight out the box. Coaches and wagons have metal chassis which puts them apart from other makes. Some I know are part made by Fleischmann but not all. Locos should craw along and are whisper quiet. Problem is trying to buy what you want as production is slow and HAGs customer relations are worse than Ms. Have fun. David
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Unholz		#8 Posted : 22 November 2007 14:08:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,437 Location: Switzerland		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by hxmiesa <br />Question; Aren´t all waggons from HAG really Fleischmann models, or did that change? (-or are they additional supered (cargo-loads excluded) or something, because I remember when they were just stock Fleischmann...) Sorry, but your memory is failing you: There was only one restaurant car in the late 1960's/early 1970's (numbers 405.02 and 407.01 in the HAG-UNUM database) that had a body shell made by Fleischmann and was sold by HAG. Recently, the Fleischmann S-Bahn double deck coaches and a couple of heavyweight coaches were also marketed by HAG in a joint-venture program, but there were definitely never any freight trucks from Fleischmann in HAG's product range.
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MarioFabro		#9 Posted : 22 November 2007 16:58:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 793 Location: Pittsburgh,		I also have a few HAG locomotives, primarely what Marklin does not make (BLS Re 4/4 among them). Here was a thread showing the DC to AC conversions I did on a few. Turns out to be very easy so if you find a good E-bay offer on a DC Hag do not hesitate. My wish list includes the Re 6/6 cargo Muri HAG Nr.203 (two engined) that Guus had and is shown on the thread mentioned before. Here is Guus picture of it (so you don't have to go back.. Guus, hope you don't mind me pasting your pic.. thanks) I wonder if I can still find it in Switzerland... BTW..Larry.. I have the Roco double deck IC 2000 cars.. they are very nice. Are the HAG also in true 1:87 or is the length 1:100? The Roco cars are beautiful but.. a five car train will put you in the 1.8m length with locomotive (8 ft).
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Guus		#10 Posted : 22 November 2007 17:13:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		originally posted by Mario: Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:hope you don't mind me pasting your pic.. Not at all,feel free to do so! Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:....showing the DC to AC conversions I did on a few. Turns out to be very easy so if you find a good E-bay offer on a DC Hag do not hesitate...... Yep, I agree,it's a most rewarding thing to do and I think the conversion is even easier to do than on a Märklin locomotive. HAG motors are a "Rolls Royce" quality version of the old and trusted three pole Märklin motor. Kind regards Guus
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Unholz		#11 Posted : 22 November 2007 17:21:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,437 Location: Switzerland		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by MarioFabro BTW..Larry.. I have the Roco double deck IC 2000 cars.. they are very nice. Are the HAG also in true 1:87 or is the length 1:100? No, they are not 1:87, but a bit shorter (AFAIR 1:93,5, but it might also be 1:100).
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Larry		#12 Posted : 22 November 2007 17:55:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		Guus - Thanks for the tip on shooting close-ups. In addition to pointing to a light source I also tried reading the camera's manual online. (An obvious option many men seem to opt out on, including me.) One pic of the HAG Ae 6/6 Städtelok Cargo Erstfeld (HAG 11 079-32) seemed to come out less fuzzy thanks to your advice: Not sure of the true scale of the HAG passenger coaches and the box does not indicate such. A comparison to my Maerklin dopple decker DB coaches shows that the HAGs are about 0.5 inch longer. HAG coaches made by Fleischmann? Yikkes, that is like finding out a Maerklin was manufactured in China! Maybe what "Made in Germany" means is that the article was actually made in China but was put in the box in Germany. Or, in the case of HAG it was made in Germany (or Hungary or China, etc.) but put in the box in Switzerland.
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Larry		#13 Posted : 22 November 2007 18:12:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		I'd like to buy internal lighting for the double decker HAG coaches yet I cannot find any dealer in the US that stocks them. I know HAG makes them since they are in the 2007 catalogue. Any suggestions? I have yet to locate a dealer in Switzerland who I can source. Thanks!
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Guus		#14 Posted : 22 November 2007 18:31:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Thank you Larry for the nice picture of the HAG "Erstfeld" The model looks great,even the wipers are placed on the new position! Regarding your question about HAG parts I seem to remember there's a dealer in the US who stocks them.I think it is Eurorailhobbies,not quite sure. Maybe Mike could provide them too. For some reason I always end up buying HAG in Switzerland,even though some Dutch dealers carry the brand. I've had good service from Roundhouse in Zürich.They seem to have a large stock of HAG products. Kind regards Guus
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jonquinn		#15 Posted : 22 November 2007 18:45:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,591 Location: Pennsylvania		I have a few HAG locos and they are super smooth running. the Bde4/4 (I think that's the designation) rail car is really nice. I'm hoping to get the Erstfeld cargo loco too, I ordered from Kuhn Eurobahn before I new Mike/plavnostruev carried the brand. So far I haven't heard any news, but my checkbook can wait a little. I only have one HAG car, and it is the McDonald's restraunt car - very nice painting work on it.
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hxmiesa		#16 Posted : 22 November 2007 18:45:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,594 Location: Spain		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Unholz No, they are not 1:87, but a bit shorter (AFAIR 1:93,5, but it might also be 1:100). Right! -Because the dobbedeckers ARE Fleischmann cars!
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MarioFabro		#17 Posted : 22 November 2007 18:50:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 793 Location: Pittsburgh,		Larry, here is a pic of my Marklin double deck (zurich nahverkher) vs. the IC 2000 by Roco. As you see, the difference is well over one inch (I believe 264mm vs. 303mm). That makes for a long train and very odd looking going around R1 curves (not to mention the car "leaning" inside the curve very much). If your HAG are much shorter, then that would be for me a good option. But I have 6 of these Roco cars.. and I like them (nice detail) plus the two pictured are not (i believe) in the HAG line: the elvetino restaurant and the baggage car (serving also as connection to regular coaches, since at the baggage end the connection is on the correct level).
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Guus		#18 Posted : 22 November 2007 19:53:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		The HAG Doppelstock cars have a lenght of 282 mm. Guus
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David Dewar		#19 Posted : 22 November 2007 21:56:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,458 Location: Scotland		HAG coaches (not double decker) are very good and made by HAG. Problem is getting any!! As for lighting the HAG lighting units are available in the USA where there does appear to be more HAG dealers than in Germany. I am sure Mike will get anything HAG that you want. David
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Unholz		#20 Posted : 22 November 2007 22:20:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,437 Location: Switzerland		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by hxmiesa Right! -Because the dobbedeckers ARE Fleischmann cars! Please, once more: We were talking about the HAG "Intercity" double deckers (painted grey/white) above, and these are definitely NOT Fleischmann products - this is absolutely one hundred percent certain. The S-Bahn Zurich double deckers (blue/white with yellow or now red doors) are made by Fleischmann, as I already stated previously. I hope that you will believe me - I have been collecting HAG models since 1963.
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David Dewar		#21 Posted : 23 November 2007 00:17:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,458 Location: Scotland		We do believe you Stephan. Many here are not HAG people or own their models and with recent Marklin problems we tend to be a bit suspicious. I have several HAG locos and coaches as does Guus and we appreciate the quality of the models. However as I am sure you will agree the model range can not compete with Marklin and because of this will in almost all cases be a second choice for the members of this forum. I have received help in the past from the HAG group and will probably be in touch soon as I would like to fit an RE 4/4 with a sound decoder but am not sure which one to go for. As a matter of interest do you know when HAG will again start production of their coaches which have not been available for most of the year. David
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john black		#22 Posted : 23 November 2007 00:24:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar <br />I have several HAG locos and coaches as does Guus and we appreciate the quality David, by reading your posts and those from Guus I'm aware, now, HAGs are excellent Are there chances for an HAG Crocodile in the future ...
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David Dewar		#23 Posted : 23 November 2007 00:43:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,458 Location: Scotland		Hi John. If Stephan reads this I am sure he will reply to your question. They do an Ae 4/7 but I would not like to say if this qualifies as a croc. I am sure you would like HAG locos (other than the price) They are solid and run really well. Nice to work on inside ...(if you can think of something you want to do that is) neat wiring etc. As mentioned above not good couplers but these are easlily changed. Might be worth getting Mike to send you a catalogue .. yes it is 2007 and has been available for a few months now !! lol David
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john black		#24 Posted : 23 November 2007 00:50:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Thanks, David - you know, I'm more into Gators and Crocs. And I can be very patient ... BTW - what kind of motors do they have installed, are they serviceable (brushes etc.) ?
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David Dewar		#25 Posted : 23 November 2007 01:02:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,458 Location: Scotland		Hi John. I am no expert on the inner working of a HAG but I think they are three pole with ball bearings and brushes. A drop of oil is about all they need and perhaps a clean from time to time. Although an older design of motor it is very smooth. There may not be anything which would fit into your layout but may be worth buying just for the pleasure of owning. I would not buy an older model which may not be great on the slim type of C track turnouts (probably made by HAG before C track was available) I would go for a newer one with the 21 pin decoder. Expensive they are without a doubt but I now have three and do not regret the cost. David
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john black		#26 Posted : 23 November 2007 01:09:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Thanks again, David - sounds great. Well, being makers of Swiss stuff perhaps some day they'll surprise us with a nice Cocodrillo ... [:p]
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Hemmerich		#27 Posted : 23 November 2007 02:31:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		There will be no croc's from HAG in the foreseeing future; see also my pics of the new EMB model. But how about this one? Nevertheless, the following are my (current) favorites, and they would also fit much better to the double decker cars: (picture taken on 15APR2007 in Olten) (picture taken on 14APR2007 in Arth) I can just agree to Stephan; those HAG IC double deckers have nothing at all to do with Fleischmann (but when you talk about the Zürich S-Bahn the story is different). PS: The current HAG motor is still called Typ88 (Stephan please correct me if I'm wrong) and is equipped with a 3-pole anchor and ball baerings; it runs quite smooth. You can see a picture describing some digital conversion precautions here: http://www.hag.ch/hag/shop/stor...ges/detail.asp?IDPage=24
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Unholz		#28 Posted : 23 November 2007 07:29:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,437 Location: Switzerland		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar As a matter of interest do you know when HAG will again start production of their coaches which have not been available for most of the year. David, you probably mean the so-called Swiss Einheitswagen I (EW I, the abbreviation stands for "unified/standard type 1") coaches. In this case, there is a production problem with the body shells. HAG originally obtained the body shells from LIMA in Italy (yes, true!), but when that company went bankrupt, this was no longer possible. Later, a series of body shells was bought from a Swiss sub-contractor, but in this case certain quality problems turned up (some of the body shells are bent like bananas...). HAG is apparently still looking for a new supplier for these body shells, and at the moment it remains unclear when a next series of EW I can be sold.
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Unholz		#29 Posted : 23 November 2007 07:34:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,437 Location: Switzerland		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br /> Are there chances for an HAG Crocodile in the future ... John, Lutz Hemmerich has already correctly said it: no, definitely no crocodile from HAG. The existing models by Marklin and Roco are very good, and the construction of a crocodile would not be in line with HAG's philosophy of mainly manufacturing bogie/truck-equipped locos. And yes Lutz, HAG's motor is still called "type 88".
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Larry		#30 Posted : 23 November 2007 09:12:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		Lutz - The 100 Jahre Autopost bus 460 you posted a pic of is one of my all-time favorites. When I was in Chur this summer they had many of the Auto post buses parked on the upper level terminal of the Chur station. I've always like buses and these looked about the best they come. I could kick myself for not bringing home one of the Autopost bus kits I saw in Chur hobby stores made by Faller Car System. I have called or emailed just about every hobby store in Switzerland but they are all sold out. My other favorite is the 460 lok painted similarily to the Autopost bus one but it has a pic of the SBB IC 2000 dopple decker coaches. The lok is painted in black. I don't believe that model has been released. The Swiss S-bahn are explicitly made by Flieschman and that is fully disclosed by HAG. I'm hoping and believing my 3 SBB IC 2000's are made by HAG in Switzerland. David - The dealers in the US that carry some HAG seem to be at the mercy of this small but precious company. Shipments are not very predictable nor is what they end up receiving. Trying to find internal lighting kits for SBB IC 2000 seems impossible. Sure, they can be ordered but I'd bet I'd get them quicker if I went to Switzerland in the next year. I assume they are made by another company though and I should look into non-HAG lighting for these coaches.
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Unholz		#31 Posted : 23 November 2007 11:05:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,437 Location: Switzerland		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Larry My other favorite is the 460 lok painted similarily to the Autopost bus one but it has a pic of the SBB IC 2000 dopple decker coaches. The lok is painted in black. I don't believe that model has been released. Larry, do you mean this one? http://www.bahnforum.org...460/460026_LBT_Fotos.htm If yes, you're lucky because it will soon arrive from HAG! Pre-order number is 28 208-31 for the AC digital version.
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David Dewar		#32 Posted : 23 November 2007 12:06:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,458 Location: Scotland		Larry. I get my HAG lighting units from a UK dealer who places an order with HAG about once per month. He receives the stuff about a month later so around two months is the usual time for delivery. Stephan : Many thanks for info. I was aware of the EW1 coach problems but had hoped it would be resolved by now as this is most of the HAG coach production. I like them because of the metal chassis which I dont think anybody else does them that way. David
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john black		#33 Posted : 23 November 2007 12:29:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Unholz <br />construction of a crocodile would not be in line with HAG's philosophy of mainly manufacturing bogie/truck-equipped locos Ah - that's why ... thanks, Stefan
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Guus		#34 Posted : 23 November 2007 12:47:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		John,I think you as a strong advocate of the old and trusted Märklin LFCM and drum collector motor may also like the type 88 motor of HAG very much. Not that it requires service that much,but it's easy to dismantle and made from high quality components! Now that you mention crocs,this one doesn't really qualify to be mentioned a croc ,nevertheless it's my favourite HAG model: Ae 4/7 Historic Depot Lausanne Kind regards Guus
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Unholz		#35 Posted : 23 November 2007 13:49:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,437 Location: Switzerland		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus <br /> Now that you mention crocs,this one doesn't really qualify to be mentioned a croc ,nevertheless it's my favourite HAG model: ...and if you look at its construction very closely, it is also a model with trucks/bogies!
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David Dewar		#36 Posted : 23 November 2007 14:14:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,458 Location: Scotland		Larry : Eurolokshop are advertising HAG 550D lighting unit which maybe what you are looking for. Might not have it in stock but you never know. Being in the USA could save on post etc. David
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metpo		#37 Posted : 23 November 2007 15:46:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 303 Location: ,		HAg has some quality models that most other brands did not make.. Also what is good is that it is really strong... Anyways for freights mostly I think they are expensive, that is why I prefer second hand wagons (SBB and BLS) from Roco and other brands.. But Roco and those other brands like Liliput are off course lesser strong...
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Larry		#38 Posted : 23 November 2007 15:47:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		Stephan - Yes, that is the one HAG 28 208-31. Thanks for the great pic of it. David - Thanks for the referral to Eurolokshop. Can you tell me what dealer receives a monthly shipment of HAG?
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Hemmerich		#39 Posted : 23 November 2007 16:42:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Larry My other favorite is the 460 lok painted similarily to the Autopost bus one but it has a pic of the SBB IC 2000 dopple decker coaches. The lok is painted in black. I don't believe that model has been released. Yes, this is even as well another of my favorites! If you're dying to see the final model, here's an advance picture to keep your heartbeat high. BTW: The two other 460's, OCB and My Love have been delivered in the meantime - so this one should be available pretty soon too. My wife and I rode on the train with this wonderful painted loco at the great LBT opening event on 16JUN2007 between Frutigen and Brig. I'm glad that it is offered and apparently delivered as a similar "eye catching" model by HAG! Maybe they even add another person besides the loco driver like this guy here! As you can easily see the loco is also an almost perfect fit to your IC double decker cars. PS: The double decker cars including the steering car for the Zürich S-Bahn come from Fleischmann, whereas HAG - with substantial delay - offers the loco as well as the complete train set. Below is a picture which shows the various Fleischmann cars; they also offer a nice car from the SZU (Sihltal-Zürich-Uetliberg) matching to the corresponding HAG loco; the train runs as S4 in the Zürich S-Bahn net. The cars are the same construction as for example the DB double decker type (DBz750 - tmint/white car #4), but differ from the modernized version (DBz751 - red car #5). The prototypes were produced by Schindler Altenrhein (Swiss cars) and by Deutsche Waggonbau Görlitz (German cars); so for your model trains you can mix Fleischmann cars with HAG locos w/o any hesitation! I like those cars since they also run quite seamless together with my Märklin stuff.
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David Dewar		#40 Posted : 23 November 2007 16:45:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,458 Location: Scotland		Larry I get my stuff from Marno Models in England. He does not have a website though and I usually phone him. He orders from HAG usually within four weeks when he has sufficient orders to place with them. Because of the cost of phone calls and post along with the weakness of the dollar I think you would be better buying from the states. With HAG I have always had the problem with supplies but I am prepared to wait due to the excellent quality. If you are in a hurry to light your coaches Roco do a lighting kit which covers just about everything but you would need the HAG pickup and ground springs. If you do order the HAG lighting unit you may also need to order the pickups as they may not come with the unit. David
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Unholz		#41 Posted : 23 November 2007 18:09:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,437 Location: Switzerland		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar <br />Larry : Eurolokshop are advertising HAG 550D lighting unit which maybe what you are looking for. Might not have it in stock but you never know. Being in the USA could save on post etc. 550 is indeed the correct lighting for Intercity double decker cars. Even I as a Swiss customer have successfully ordered HAG (stuff that was no longer available in Switzerland) in the past from Helmuts Hobbies at www.helmutshobbies.com . They also stock spare parts.
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bmcrae		#42 Posted : 23 November 2007 21:40:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 970 Location: Okanagan Valley, BC		Really nice items Larry! [:p]
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bmcrae		#43 Posted : 23 November 2007 21:53:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 970 Location: Okanagan Valley, BC		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Unholz <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar <br />Larry : Eurolokshop are advertising HAG 550D lighting unit which maybe what you are looking for. Might not have it in stock but you never know. Being in the USA could save on post etc. 550 is indeed the correct lighting for Intercity double decker cars. Even I as a Swiss customer have successfully ordered HAG (stuff that was no longer available in Switzerland) in the past from Helmuts Hobbies at www.helmutshobbies.com . They also stock spare parts. Thanks for the link Stefan. I liked your photos at helmutshobbies.com from the HAG Open House! [:p][:p] Is the open house something HAG does on a regular basis? If so, I might have to base my next trip to Europe around that!
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steventrain		#44 Posted : 23 November 2007 21:57:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,692 Location: United Kingdom		Very nice pictures.
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Unholz		#45 Posted : 23 November 2007 23:33:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,437 Location: Switzerland		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by bmcrae Is the open house something HAG does on a regular basis? If so, I might have to base my next trip to Europe around that! Well, not very regularly in the past (about every ten years...), but due to the success last time they talked about repeating the event sooner. Perhaps 2008, who knows?
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john black		#46 Posted : 24 November 2007 01:27:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus <br />John, I think you as a strong advocate of the old and trusted Märklin LFCM and drum collector motor may also like the type 88 motor of HAG very much ... thanks, Guus
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WelshMatt		#47 Posted : 24 November 2007 01:30:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,345 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Unholz <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar As a matter of interest do you know when HAG will again start production of their coaches which have not been available for most of the year. David, you probably mean the so-called Swiss Einheitswagen I (EW I, the abbreviation stands for "unified/standard type 1") coaches. In this case, there is a production problem with the body shells. HAG originally obtained the body shells from LIMA in Italy (yes, true!), but when that company went bankrupt, this was no longer possible. Later, a series of body shells was bought from a Swiss sub-contractor, but in this case certain quality problems turned up (some of the body shells are bent like bananas...). HAG is apparently still looking for a new supplier for these body shells, and at the moment it remains unclear when a next series of EW I can be sold. Have they considered getting in touch with Hornby (who now own the Lima tooling)? I think they'd probably be willing to produce the shells if asked, after all they did a limited edition of a specific train pack for my local model shop recently and HAG would surely be in the market for more than a couple of thousand shells!
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Larry		#48 Posted : 24 November 2007 05:18:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		Lutz - Thanks for the great pics of the HAG 28 208-31. I'd seen the first pic on a website but not the others. It is wonderful that you and your wife were able to ride (well, "drive", as they say in BW) it between between Frutigen and Brig. I think what makes the artwork so interesting (for me at least) on this 460 is it is set against black (as in the tunnel) and the windows of the cars give that orange-yellow glow very similar to internal lighting in the model. It is amazingly well done and designed. David, Stefan and Brian - Thanks for identifying the HAG interior lighting part number. Also, thanks, Stefan, for the referral to Helmut's Hobbies. That is where I bought the freight cars from (stone/wood/Gotthard), but Scott said he did not have the 550s. He does have a good selection but I'm amazed that someone from Switzerland would need to order from a US dealer. However, if the USD continues to decline against the Swiss Franc that might be another reason. I assume there is high demand/short supply of HAG world-wide despite their relatively high cost. )I have to admit that my first choice was not the SBB Cargo lok but I could not obtain the one I was most interested in. I'm very satisfied with the one I bought from Mike.) Looks to me like there are lots of closet HAG fans on the Forum. Just like Bemo HOm and Maerklin; HAG and Maerklin go very well together.
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Larry		#49 Posted : 24 November 2007 06:13:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		Stefan - You were kind enough to identify the SBB 460 model I had seen on someone's web page: HAG 28 208-3 (black with red and image of SBB IC 2000 double decker coaches in dark tunnel with lighted windows). You mentioned about pre-ordering it yet I don't see it on the HAG website nor in the 2007 catalogue where they list the 460s. How do you find out about such announcements/new models and where could the model be pre-ordered? (Also, a search on google.ch does not yield anything so it does not yet appear to be on any identifiable website in Switzerland.) Thanks, much.
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Unholz		#50 Posted : 24 November 2007 07:49:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,437 Location: Switzerland		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Larry You mentioned about pre-ordering it yet I don't see it on the HAG website nor in the 2007 catalogue where they list the 460s. How do you find out about such announcements/new models and where could the model be pre-ordered? Larry: It actually is on HAG's official website (www.hag.ch). Go to "Produktionsplan" at the left and then to "Produkte in Vorbereitung". It is there on the third line. As to dealers in Switzerland, may I refer you to my "shoplist" which you can browse and find a suitable one who will be happy to serve you (for instance Zuba-Tech, Barp-Tech, Zolli-Bolli, Roundhouse, Bahnorama, etc.): http://homepage.hispeed.ch/unholz/shops.html
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