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Guus		#1 Posted : 04 October 2007 22:23:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Hi all, The very popular topics about "how many locomotives" and "how many coaches" you have,set me to think about how many coaches behind a locomotive will look nice, or realistic if you want, on an average layout. Modelling a real life train with 16 or more coaches is hardly feasable on a layout I think.The recently issued Langer Heinrich freighttrain is a good example of what a train could look like in HO scale,but what about a passenger train? What's your opinion? Kind regards Guus
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steventrain		#2 Posted : 04 October 2007 22:43:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,692 Location: United Kingdom		Interesting topic. I have one locomotive with nine coaches (39010 with Nine 439xx). The others up to eight per loco.
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Webmaster		#3 Posted : 04 October 2007 22:48:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		I'd say an odd number of coaches looks "better" than an even number...
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Timaximus		#4 Posted : 04 October 2007 22:49:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/06/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,412 Location: Home		A loc with 10 to 12 coaches will be great. I do not have the space myself unfortunately, but that will be the minimum length I would use when I was able to. Timaximus
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intruder		#5 Posted : 04 October 2007 22:52:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Some interesting facts form real life: My grandparents lived next to Voss station, on the Oslo - Bergen railway. When going eastwards, starting in Bergen, the steapest uphill gradient (1:46.5) is between Voss (57m above sea level) and Myrdal (867m), in a distance of just approx 50km. In the old steam ages (the route was electrified in 1964), the maximum train length was 50 axels (not including the locomotive(s)). That means max. 25 two-axeled cars, or fewer, if some four axeled cars are in the train. After electrification, with two NSB El 14 locomotives in the front, my grandmother once counted 93 cars and reported to me. She did not distinguish between two- and four-axeled cars. This was in the first half of the 70s. How long trains they pull today I do not know, with much more powerful locomotives (NSB El 18).
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RayF		#6 Posted : 04 October 2007 23:16:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		I have a very small layout, so the most that will fit in my station is loco and 4 coaches, if they are 24cm, or 3 if they are longer. Not very realistic, I hear you think, but if you look at many real life trains, they often begin or end their journeys with few coaches. Anyway, a 10 coach train would look ridiculous on my layout. The loco would be chasing the end of its own train. One day, maybe, I'll have the space to run longer trains, but till then, I'll have to make do. Ray
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p .g		#7 Posted : 04 October 2007 23:40:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 181 Location: ,		to each his own or eye of the beholder.or something like that. i got BB 4013 with 20 box & 3 maintanace cars. about max for my other 3 locs due to space & $ for now take care pat n cece
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trainbuff		#8 Posted : 04 October 2007 23:51:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 507 Location: Atlanta, Georgia		Curious why you think an odd number looks better? I'll have to take another look at mine. I have 3 to 4 passenger coaches and sometimes a box car behind my locs. I purposely have been avoiding long coaches to keep things from looking too crowded. Model Railroader magazine had a recent article on "pike" sized passenger trains. So there are prototypes for short trains even if they were US prototypes.
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DaleSchultz		#9 Posted : 04 October 2007 23:54:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		as long as your layout can handle. I can run a 2m train without clogging up the layout as I can get a 2m train into my hidden sidings. My long goods train has 18 waggons and my Würtemberger train has 9 caoches. Goods trains can be longer than the stations of course. My S-Bahn trains are shorter (since 2 of my stations are shorter) typically 5 S-Bahn coaches.
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Caplin		#10 Posted : 05 October 2007 01:26:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by trainbuff <br />Curious why you think an odd number looks better? I'll have to take another look at mine. Play on words I guess. Odd looks odd (normally) - but odd number may look better. This could lead one to say: Even number looks even better - hard to explain.
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Caplin		#11 Posted : 05 October 2007 01:43:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		Edited: picture replaced. On my relatively smal floor layout (no stations or other buildings) my longest freight train of 15 tank wagons (12 2-axls and 3 4-axls) is 205 cm (incl. the loc.). My three passenger trains have 4 4-axls coaches each. All looks good to me.
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Webmaster		#12 Posted : 05 October 2007 02:26:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by trainbuff <br />Curious why you think an odd number looks better? The visual impression makes it look less "common"... It's hard to explain, but if you rack up 2 identical trains except the # of coaches and watch them run - an odd number of coaches is more "interesting" for some esthetical reason - at least to me... A 5-car Rheingold loks better than a 4 or 6 car one... With shorter stuff like 2-axled Donnerbuchsen it becomes even more evident... Try it... A mix of both is of course the ultimate solution for variety on a layout...
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H0		#13 Posted : 05 October 2007 02:34:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,446 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus <br />The very popular topics about "how many locomotives" and "how many coaches" you have,set me to think about how many coaches behind a locomotive will look nice, or realistic if you want, on an average layout. Any realistic length is OK for me. I like long trains. But I also like heavy locos with short trains. Freight trains with 4 or 8 cars are realistic. (However ore trains and container trains are normally pretty long, but mixed trains are normally shorter and look more interesting!) Passenger trains with one coach are realistic (e.g. with BR 141 in era IV or BR 143 in era V). I have too many locos and not enough cars - sometimes I turn a 6-coach train into 2 3-coach trains and vice versa. You can make a 1m platform (H0) and have 2m trains pass through without stop - that's realistic too!
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drstapes		#14 Posted : 05 October 2007 03:45:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/08/2004(UTC) Posts: 764 Location: Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk		On my small layout I usually opt for 3 express type coaches or 4 of the older shorter 50's type regards
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nevw		#15 Posted : 05 October 2007 05:21:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		For non specialised Passenger trains 3 Cars. However the 4228 Rheingold cars 5. the AMtrak with the 2 F7 6 New Rheingold (when they arrive) 4 ICe1 2 power cars and either 2-4 Passrnger cars. However the longer trains can only be run on hte outer track as they are a bit long for a layout only 2.1 M
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hxmiesa		#16 Posted : 05 October 2007 12:12:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,594 Location: Spain		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster <br />I'd say an odd number of coaches looks "better" than an even number... Well, talking passanger coaches, here´s my 2c; You mean until a certain length?! -Then it really doesnt matter! ;-) Anyway I stil think 4 looks better than 3, while 5 or 6 hardly makes a difference. Once you are &gt;6 any train looks really well and realistic...
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viragoLDR		#17 Posted : 05 October 2007 12:16:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 703 Location: ,		Anywhere from 1 or 2 on local trains, sometimes even just a single motorized car, to full 16 part high speed trains ;)
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tekin65		#18 Posted : 05 October 2007 12:51:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,151 Location: istanbul,		Hi to all, Very interesting topic indeed. On my layout i can afford mid-length trains. but due to the limitation in my central station i can only have 4 x 24cm. coaches on passenger trains. luckily i can have more for freight, but if i make them too long they don't look good. anyway, i find it that 4 (shorter - i.e. 3 axle) coaches + 1 freight (or post) car looks really good for passenger trains - which is my minimum. but for freight trains i like 7-8++ cars. my longest train is a br50 pulling 10 x 4 axle cars (3 ballast, 3 mineral, 4 stake) all fully loaded. all the best, cem.
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RayF		#19 Posted : 05 October 2007 13:54:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Hi Cem, Your post had me puzzled until I realised that by "central station" you mean the main passenger station on your layout, and not the Marklin Systems controller of the same name. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Ray
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tekin65		#20 Posted : 05 October 2007 17:32:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,151 Location: istanbul,		Ray hi, i just realized that and i'm sorry. i meant -of course- passanger station not the digital gaget well, on my layout the longest straihgt strip is about 2,40 meters, i use about 1,20 mt. of this for station approach switches (and of course the station building) so i'm left with about 1,40 meters and a passenger train with 4 x 24 cm. coaches + loko is about 1,25 meters. best regards, cem.
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RayF		#21 Posted : 05 October 2007 18:40:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		No problem, Cem. It's Marklin's fault for calling something a "station". By the way, your station size is about the same as mine, which is why I too can only fit a 4 coach train in it. It's a shame they stopped selling the 24cm coaches. They were ideal for a small layout like mine. Ray
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Guus		#22 Posted : 05 October 2007 23:16:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Thank you gentlemen for your opinions and insight. Funny you should mention the odd number principle Juhan.From what I seem to know from landscape architects this is also quite often applied in their designs .When you plant trees or plants in a group an odd number looks nicer than an even number. For planning purposes-yes I'm still in the planning phase [:(]-I think I'll aim at 5 coaches per loco for the time being. Kind regards Guus
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steventrain		#23 Posted : 07 October 2007 12:55:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,692 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain <br />Interesting topic. I have one locomotive with nine coaches (39010 with Nine 439xx). The others up to eight per loco. I have five over 3m each and about ten under 3m each.
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Goofy		#24 Posted : 07 October 2007 15:42:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,278		I can using one steamlocomotiv era 1 with 7-8 coaches with 2 axles to presentation from after prototyp. There is steamlocomotiv for heavy freights too and how many freightscars for an steamlocomotiv,i dont know... Small steamlocomotiv era 1 dont pulling so many railwaycars,what i know myself. Under era 1 time,there was not so long trainset by transported. Goofy
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metpo		#25 Posted : 08 October 2007 21:57:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 303 Location: ,		My intention in this hobby for my future layout, is to have some swiss inter cities running, with the length like in reality: 11 coaches.. But most trains will not be long, as there will be besides the major trackline some little lines... even some freights will be really short.. I hope to have the BLS hupac train with 11 truck cars or so..
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Hemmerich		#26 Posted : 09 October 2007 01:56:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus What's your opinion? Hi Guus, last week I just came across an interesting goods train composition in my hometown station. It was a BR294 (i.e. like Märklin's new #37902) and ONE SINGLE 4x tank waggon, which was supposed to be moved over to SCHARR in Stgt-Vaihingen, one of the larger heating stuff suppliers there (it was just departing too fast for me to take a picture). Opposed to that I had to wait at a railroad crossing signal yesterday because of one of the typical Daimler car transportation trains, consisting of a BR155 (ex DDR loco) and an almost endless number of Hcerrss waggons. IMHO the number of axles came close to that of an 4000t "Langer Heinrich". In summary - take what you like; everything is possible and allowed.
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Caplin		#27 Posted : 09 October 2007 19:33:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus What's your opinion? Hi Guus, ............ In summary - take what you like; everything is possible and allowed. I agree to that! [^]
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RayF		#28 Posted : 09 October 2007 20:01:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		I remember seeing a photo, years ago, taken around 1970. It showed a Br50 pulling a passenger train consisting of one single silverfish coach. I guess you could find a prototype for anything. Ray
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