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Larry		#1 Posted : 13 September 2007 10:01:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		While in Germany this past summer I was struck but the number and beauty of the many vineyards in southwestern Germany. I'd like to model them on my layout and see that Busch offers a product to recreate a portion of a vineyard ($15.99 USD for 5 rows of plants that have to be put together with glue.) Does anyone know of sources of instructions or ideas for modeling a vineyard? My idea is to make one on the side of a steep hill, much like I saw in various places in BW. Thanks for any tips!
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alonso231gery		#2 Posted : 13 September 2007 12:29:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,957 Location: Hellas (Athens)		I have a vineyard too Larry. The vineyard that is located on the side of a hill, produces fine wine.
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DaleSchultz		#3 Posted : 13 September 2007 18:02:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		I have bought Faller vine kits but have not yet installed them. I have however, prepared the hill where they will be planted see http://layout.mixmox.com/1/winery_hill I did some reasearch and I believe the vines run up/down the slope rather than along the contour of the slope. Comments on hat would be welcomed.
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Larry		#4 Posted : 14 September 2007 08:24:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		Dale - Your careful preparation for the vineyard looks great. Perhaps I can help with your question on how real vineyards run along hills. The pics below are from this summer and a visit to the state of B-W along the Neckar River: Quite amazing, isn't it? I was surprised at how steep these hills were and how interesting the rows of vines appear. It appears that the Busch vineyard rows are complete with grapes which I really don't need. For my purposes, I'd like to model just the rows of greenery in the photos above. Any thoughts on how to do that? Alonso, send us a pic of your vineyard if you can. That would be great.
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DaleSchultz		#5 Posted : 14 September 2007 17:50:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		Larry, thanks. It seems in your images the vines are running along the contours ! The Faller kit 181490 does not contain the grapes and each box contains 36 vines that will need to be planted in rows. They are about 3cm high
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alonso231gery		#6 Posted : 14 September 2007 17:53:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,957 Location: Hellas (Athens)		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Larry Alonso, send us a pic of your vineyard if you can. That would be great. Well Larry my family's vineyard is capable to produce wine for only one barrel[:I][:o)]. I never drink wine. If you insist i can post an image, but is not something special.
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pserup		#7 Posted : 14 September 2007 18:53:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 897 Location: Ramløse, Denmark		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DaleSchultz <br />Larry, thanks. It seems in your images the vines are running along the contours ! The Faller kit 181490 does not contain the grapes and each box contains 36 vines that will need to be planted in rows. They are about 3cm high Dale, I think they can run either along or across the contours. Google "vineyards" and this pic from Sonoma Valley comes up: and here they do at the same time
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Larry		#8 Posted : 15 September 2007 04:07:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		Dale - Thanks for the tips on the Faller sets. I just wish they were a little greener like the ones in the pics. Maybe I can do that myself! I know nothing about how rows of vines are situated but it seems to me that where the sun hits the vineyards and the type of grape may be a major consideration. So, if the sun is perpendicular to the contour of the hill then for some grapes requiring that level of sunlight it is likely the rows will follow the contour of the land. Pure conjecture. Sometimes it is much easier to invent your own reality then to find out the facts! It is always real easy to do that in model railroading.
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nevw		#9 Posted : 15 September 2007 04:20:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DaleSchultz <br />I have bought Faller vine kits but have not yet installed them. I have however, prepared the hill where they will be planted see http://layout.mixmox.com/1/winery_hill I did some reasearch and I believe the vines run up/down the slope rather than along the contour of the slope. Comments on hat would be welcomed. You have some good winery tours advertised on the page. Margaret River wines are good and so are the Yarra Valley. N
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alonso231gery		#10 Posted : 15 September 2007 04:29:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,957 Location: Hellas (Athens)		My humble vineyard, just for a barrel of fine wine. It has no leaves cause the photo was taken during winter.
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Larry		#11 Posted : 15 September 2007 09:43:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		Alonso - This is cool. Thank you. Do you know why the rows of plants are positioned the way they are? I mean why were they perpendicular to the way they are or diagonal? I assume they may have been planted hundreds of years ago like everything else in your great country.
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Larry		#12 Posted : 15 September 2007 10:11:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		I was looking into why vines are planted the way they are (rows facing what direction, etc.) and found this information: "...in the northern hemisphere, vineyard rows in a sorth/south orientation provide the best sunlight interception to the canopy. But, in some cases, a east/west row orientation is acceptable if plantings are on north- or south-facing slopes since this will run rows across the slope and therefore controlling soil erosion and avoid short north/south-oriented rows." Source: http://www.pawpaw.kysu.e...design_your_vineyard.htm I guess how you position your rows on your layout would be determined by where the sun rises and sets over your layout, so the possibilities are endless!
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Bigdaddynz		#13 Posted : 15 September 2007 10:28:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		One of our club members built a vineyard from scratch. I think he used very small polystyrene balls painted to look like grapes
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DamonKelly		#14 Posted : 15 September 2007 15:32:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,421 Location: Brisbane, QLD		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />One of our club members built a vineyard from scratch. I think he used very small polystyrene balls painted to look like grapes Now that's true dedication to your hobby! I bet the wine those grapes made was crap, though...
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alonso231gery		#15 Posted : 15 September 2007 21:48:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,957 Location: Hellas (Athens)		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Larry <br />Alonso - This is cool. Thank you. Do you know why the rows of plants are positioned the way they are? I mean why were they perpendicular to the way they are or diagonal? I assume they may have been planted hundreds of years ago like everything else in your great country. These plants are not very old, around 10 years old, they are planted in that symmetrical way so as to ensure that you will be able to water them, care them etc. Olive trees are the immortal trees.
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intruder		#16 Posted : 15 September 2007 23:02:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Very fine, Alonso! I wish it was possible to grow grapes in Norway. I would love to have som at our summer house.
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alonso231gery		#17 Posted : 16 September 2007 00:11:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,957 Location: Hellas (Athens)		Thank you Svein, soon i will expand it. I wonder what kind of trees Norway has, that can produce fruits of course.
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intruder		#18 Posted : 16 September 2007 21:41:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Our commercial fruit production is basically plums, cherry, pears and aples. Also the strawberry production is quite big. My brother lives in the western part of Norway, at the end of a fjord arm to our longest fjord. He actually has a couple of vines in front of a south facing white painted wall. Just for the sport of it, not enough to produce any wine, though.
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tonyfh		#19 Posted : 18 September 2007 23:25:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 116 Location: Netherlands		Hello Dale, All, Just before the Treff I made a short cycling trip along the river Mosel between Trier and Cochem, overthere I noticed the grapes were all planted from top to bottom (or the other way round as you please) of the hills. When my photos are back and there is a good one I shall post it here, but it may take awhile. Greetings, Tony.
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tonyfh		#20 Posted : 30 September 2007 23:22:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 116 Location: Netherlands		Hello All, As promised here are a few of my photo's: This is a combined rail / roadtraffic bridge near Bullay over the river Mosel. A hillside along the river. On the more steep hills they even have their own cogwheel monorail. Greetings, Tony.
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Larry		#21 Posted : 30 September 2007 23:35:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		Great pic, Tony. Thanks, much.
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DaleSchultz		#22 Posted : 01 October 2007 00:16:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		nice thanks. Lots of up-down vines... I have started building my Faller winery kit and then I'll do my vines...
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intruder		#23 Posted : 01 October 2007 02:17:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		I like the cogwheel monorail, Tony. Thanks for nice photos.
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tonyfh		#24 Posted : 06 October 2007 23:06:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 116 Location: Netherlands		You are Welcome. @ Svein, it sure is interesting, I was quite amazed to see such a thing, later on the tour I saw a lot more of these monorails. Greetings, Tony.
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steventrain		#25 Posted : 07 October 2007 12:51:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Very good pictures, Tony.
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