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Offline Bill  
#1 Posted : 22 February 2002 04:22:04(UTC)
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My introduction to Marklin has been my starter set 29186 -- and I must say I love the C track, overall quality of the product and the associated information about layouts. I am wondering about my locomotive performance...where should I be looking to get real slow speed and quiet performance? Is this where C-sine comes in? I notice my locomotive tends to jackrabbit start and change speed on curves, similar to what I found in regular O gauge AC, 3 rail operations, but nothing like my regular two rail DC in N and HO, where the locomotives could be made to crawl. What is my next logical step to get this performance?
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Offline KLB  
#2 Posted : 22 February 2002 18:48:43(UTC)
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Hi Bill,all,

>> I am wondering about my locomotive performance...where should I be looking to get real slow speed and quiet performance? <<

You have what is called Delta loks.They are notorious poor runners as they have only 3-pole motors.Digial loks (37XXX series) have 5-pole motors and decoders that truly regulate speed and momentum.It is like night and day.

>> Is this where C-sine comes in? <<

The C-sine loks(39XXX series) run superbly in either conventional of digital operation.

>>I notice my locomotive tends to jackrabbit start and change speed on curves

Märklin loks tend to run better after a breaking in period.In fact the more they run the better they run!
Make sure that the loks are properly oiled.Then on your oval at a medium speed run it forward then backwards for 20 minutes,then 30 minutes,then 1 hour.


>>What is my next logical step to get this performance?<<


Go digital! ;-)

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Offline Sam  
#3 Posted : 23 February 2002 15:41:56(UTC)
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I have to second that, as my little experience has shown with a 3 pole and a c-sine, they are night and day!!! and especially if you are running an electric prototype, the c-sine has a more realistic quiet operation.

I am in the process of converting my 3-pole 12X loc to a 5 pole with a digital decoder, and am 1/2 way done as I only ave the 5 pole in there but no permanent magnet or electronics so I will let you know how that goes when it finally gets done.

Good luck

Sam

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Offline Bill  
#4 Posted : 24 February 2002 05:57:09(UTC)
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Thanks for the responses. I did notice my little locomotive does seem to run better (slower speeds more easily attained) and quiet down also after leaving it on for a long period of time...just making its way around the track for a half an hour or longer. I guess I will start to explore digital ops and the locomotives with the C-sine motors too.
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Offline KLB  
#5 Posted : 24 February 2002 16:52:13(UTC)
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Hi Bill,all,

>> I did notice my little locomotive does seem to run better (slower speeds more easily attained) and quiet down also after leaving it on for a long period of time...just making its way around the track for a half an hour or longer.<<

Remember to run it forward and reverse equally!You want to wear the motor brushes evenly.Make sure to properly oil(not too much) the motor


>>I guess I will start to explore digital ops and the locomotives with the C-sine motors too.<<

Good idea! :-)

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Offline Sam  
#6 Posted : 02 March 2002 04:42:35(UTC)
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Hey Kevin, Have you heard anything about break-in on C-sine? Or do those run the same from day one?

Thanks

Sam


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Offline KLB  
#7 Posted : 02 March 2002 16:34:15(UTC)
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Hi Sam,all,



Quote:

Hey Kevin, Have you heard anything about break-in on C-sine? Or do those run the same from day one?


The C-sine is brushless motor,thus according to Märklin maintenance-free.I have found that other than adjusting the accel./braking/max speed they run like butter right out of the shed,er,...box! ;-)

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Offline Sam  
#8 Posted : 02 March 2002 16:48:39(UTC)
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Makes sense.... C-sine is truely awsome.
Makes me wana sell my other locs.

Sam


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Offline KLB  
#9 Posted : 02 March 2002 18:15:05(UTC)
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Hi Sam,all,

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Makes sense.... C-sine is truely awsome.
Makes me wana sell my other locs.


Sam,don't do that! :-) There is no guarantee that Märklin will produce a C-sine of all those models.
Even though the C-sine will fit where a 60901 will go,some loks might not have room for the electronics,which the C-sine needs in order for it to perform they way it does.

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Offline Sam  
#10 Posted : 04 March 2002 04:31:20(UTC)
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Don't worry, my 12X (limited issue 1859-1999 aniversary) Loc will never leave my hands. Although it my go C-sine, if Marklin makes that a possiblity.

Sam


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