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Offline tayloma  
#1 Posted : 10 September 2003 08:42:35(UTC)
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Dear all

Is there any body there that has the new Daisy from Uhlenbrock and can you tell me whether the 6017 booster can be used with the Daisy?

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Mark
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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#2 Posted : 10 September 2003 10:05:13(UTC)
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Still waiting for mine,
but I've went through the documentation rather thoroughly (including translating to swedish).

I'm pretty sure you can't use a 6017 with a Daisy system. The stationary part of the Daisy system, the Power2 can be used as a 6017 with a 6021, but not the opposite. So, that's by there is a Märklin booster connection on it, it's input, not output.
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Offline tayloma  
#3 Posted : 10 September 2003 13:36:45(UTC)
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Hi Lars

Thanks for your reply - I tend to agree with you but I just needed confirmation.

It's a very nice system though but the Power 2 booster is a little light for my layout where I've got coach lighting and turnout lanterns running off track power. I was running a 6021 plus a 6017. It's a matter of less wiring in the case of the lanterns vs more boosters.....wink. By the looks of things I'll have to add another Power 2 in the near future.

Just a tip for guys getting the Daisy - the Lok format (type) defaults to DCC when you assign a new loco number. In order to get your Marklin Loks running you have to edit the loco assignment and change it to MOT1 or 2 (for 60901) as per point 2.2.3 of the manual. MOT1 does not give you return indicition for direction on the throttle (handheld).

Having said that, after having the Daisy for one day biggrin, I think it's very good value for money and excellent for anyone wanting to convert to digital. It's an extremley cost effective system.

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Mark
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Offline Charlie  
#4 Posted : 10 September 2003 15:59:10(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:I think it's very good value for money and excellent for anyone wanting to convert to digital.


I agree with Mark. Compared to the IB, your initial investment is lower (politically correct language for the Daisy is cheaper). It offers many features, and when you purchase an IB, you can still use the Daisy.

As a matter of fact, I advise IB users to add a Daisy when they want a hand controller. IMHO a better add-on than FRED...

Charlie
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Offline tayloma  
#5 Posted : 11 September 2003 12:07:13(UTC)
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Charlie's got a good point - however once you have the Daisy the main reason for getting an IB would be for the computer connection it provides. You could essentially build up your system using Daisy as a base and adding an IB Control, which is like the Intellibox without a booster, the IB Switch for accessories, Power 2 boosters and so on, connecting everything up with Loconet. There is a converter from Loconet to RS232 available so you can even do the PC thing as well (although it's not made by Uhlenbrock).

Guess what I'm trying to say is that the system is scalable to your particular needs and budget.Smile
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Mark
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Offline jmcveigh  
#6 Posted : 07 October 2003 00:10:24(UTC)
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I recently got a pair of Daisies, but without the Power 2 unit.... in other words, I ordered just the hand-held controllers. I use them with an IB which also drives an M. 6017 booster as well as a Uhlenbrock Power 3 Booster.
J.J. McVeigh
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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#7 Posted : 18 November 2003 21:24:39(UTC)
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OK,
I was wrong. As usual. A 6017 may be used together with a Daisy system. The booster connetor of the Power2 may act as output or input depending on how it is used.

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Lars
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Offline tayloma  
#8 Posted : 21 November 2003 16:34:30(UTC)
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Lars

This is good news as I still have my Marklin Booster. As it is I'm running out of power, so I think I am going to try i out this weekend...biggrin
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Mark
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Offline tayloma  
#9 Posted : 24 November 2003 10:40:37(UTC)
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Hi all

I tried out the 6017 with the Daisy this weekend and it didn't work - seems like they are not compatible after all. [:(]

Mark
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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#10 Posted : 24 November 2003 11:30:55(UTC)
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Could you describe your configuration and what happened? I've got it from a most reliable source that it should work...

/Lars
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Offline tayloma  
#11 Posted : 25 November 2003 07:33:13(UTC)
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Hi

I connected the 6017 to the Power 2 using the cable that came with the 6017. I may have got the cable the wrong way up on the power 2, although i did try it both ways. All i got was a strange noise from my loks, but nothing else. Oh yes, the Power 2 was not connected to teh layout - I was using the 6017 direct.
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Mark
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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#12 Posted : 25 November 2003 09:16:26(UTC)
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You had one Daisy connected to the Daisy socket of the Power2, and one 6017 to the booster socket? Separate transformer feed to the Power2 and another to the 6017? Anything else?
If you connect another track to the Power2, you may check that you use the right protocol and adress. Are you sure you did not reverse polarity of the track? Some older Märklin decoders don't allow this.

I don't own a 6017 myself. I think the cable can only be inserted one way in Power2, but possibly two ways in the 6017? Doesn't the manual of 6017 describe the right way?

I also think you'd better to connect the equipment before power on, and to power on both transformers at the same time.

I think you'll have to tell more if you want some help...

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Lars
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Offline perz  
#13 Posted : 25 November 2003 21:14:18(UTC)
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It is not meant to be possible to insert the the cable up side down in the 6017. But if you try really hard, it is possible.
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Offline xxup  
#14 Posted : 25 November 2003 21:32:42(UTC)
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Isn't there supposed to be a link between the 6017 and the 6021/IB/Daisy? Otherwise where does the 6017 get the digital signal it is supposed to be boosting?
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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#15 Posted : 25 November 2003 22:05:18(UTC)
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Adrian,
the 6017 has a 5 pole flat "booster cable" which takes the signal from a 6020, 6021, IB , Power2(!) or prior 6017. This is the one Perz comments.
/Lars
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Offline tayloma  
#16 Posted : 26 November 2003 09:43:02(UTC)
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Hi all

Lars, thanks for your patience...Smile

The way you describe the config is correct:

Seperate power supplies for Daisy and 6017;
Daisy hand controller connected to the Daisy input on Power 2;
6017 connected to Power 2 via 5 pin flat cable on Booster connection;
Track connections - red to center studs, brown to tracks (I use the standard wiring configuration throughout my layout);
The track connection came direct from the 6017, Power 2 was not connected for the test (as it works that way on 6021);
The flat cable is plugged into the 6017 facing upwards, i.e. the cable comes out the top of the plug. It can be plugged in only one way on the Power 2.
All connections were made with the power off.




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Mark
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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#17 Posted : 26 November 2003 10:48:48(UTC)
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Seems good so far. You know more about the 6017 than I do; it should be upwards on that and downwards on the 6015, shouldn't it? Never mind, the sockets of the 6017, is one input and one output or are they multipurpose?

After that, I would still connect a loose track to the Power2 and check that the loco works there, at the same time as the 6017 is connected. If it doesn't work, then it's something with the loco, the protocol or something, but nothing with the booster.
If it does, it's a stronger indication that the Daisy doesn't handle the 6017 properly, or the 6017 is wrongly connected in some way.

/Lars
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Offline tayloma  
#18 Posted : 04 December 2003 07:28:35(UTC)
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The saga continues......

I have now tried the 6017 and Daisy combination again and it definitely does not work. I get the idea one needs the conversion that is used with the IB....biggrin. So now I'm temporarily back to the 6021 as the Power 2 is not powerful enough for my layout.

Mark
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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#19 Posted : 04 December 2003 08:52:04(UTC)
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Then you should report this to Uhlenbrock for repair. I don't think you tell us enough so that we can help you.

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Lars Westerlind
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Offline tayloma  
#20 Posted : 04 December 2003 12:20:10(UTC)
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Hi Lars

I think you have a point, because I have had other little strange things with the Daisy.

Thanks anyway for all your help - I will let you know what happens in the end.
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Mark
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