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Offline Hobbit  
#1 Posted : 09 June 2007 10:49:22(UTC)
Hobbit


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I have a number of passenger coaches which I bought many years ago before the close couplers were invented. These were fine in their day but when you run these next to coaches made today that almost touch end to end the gap between the older is too obvious. So I decided to upgrade these with the close couplers conversion kit 7205.

Eagerly I removed the old couplers and installed the new. I hooked up two coaches and noticed almost no difference. I thought I must have made a mistake, but no, there is only one way to put these on. I had to take ruler out to check it, and yes there was an improvement. The buffer to buffer gap had reduced a whole 2mm from 16mm to 14mm. Utter disappointment and complete waste of money! (Except for the hand uncoupler of course)

I then took a closer look and got the idea that it might be possible to modify the coupler so that ends of the coaches come closer and still negotiate R1 curves. In order to do this the pivot point on the coupler needed to be moved closer to the coupling end. It then occurred to me that the simplest way would be to drill a new hole. Below is a photo showing the new 2mm diameter hole in front of the original hole.

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I tried this, but was now unable to fit it because there is a small lug on the bogie that limits the sideways movement of the coupler by hitting against the small “ears” on the end of the coupler which got in the way. I then decided to cut away the redundant end of the coupling by cutting through the original hole. This not only allowed space for the lug but also created new “ears”. The two plastic “spring leavers” were kept to help the centering of the coupling, but had to be trimmed a little as they were now a bit too long. I clipped it in and it fitted and functioned just right. I did another and clipped it on to another coach and tested it. The buffer to buffer gap was now only 7mm and no problem with R1 either.

The photo below shows (from left to right) the original coupler, the close coupler from kit 7205 with the extra hole already drilled and the finished modified close coupler.

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It then occurred to me that this modification could also be made to the original coupling. I tried it and it also works. Using these the distance between buffers becomes 9mm. This is even more remarkable because you can now reduce the gap from 16mm to 9mm at no cost whatsoever.

The photo below shows two coaches with the original couplers. Gap = 16mm

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The photo below shows two coaches with the couplers from kit 7205. Gap = 14mm

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The photo below shows two coaches with modified original couplers. Gap = 9mm

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The photo below shows two coaches with modified couplers from kit 7205. Gap = 7mm

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I don't know if this is well known or old tip, but I have not seen this elsewhere and having just discovered it for myself I thought it was worth sharing.



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Offline kimballthurlow  
#2 Posted : 09 June 2007 14:36:05(UTC)
kimballthurlow

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Dear Mr Hobbit,
I love your modification.

I too, noticed that the 7205 never made any difference to the gangway (vestibule) distance. However, I was more than happy with the improved performance of the newer type coupler to use it often.

I wil however, be doing the same as yourself in future, it is a brilliant idea.
Thanks very much for sharing it.
Your photos and descriptions are first class.

By the way, is the newer coupling called the "kurzkupling"? I am not sure of its real name, and M often uses Relex and Telex in the descriptions, and there are even older couplings that do not couple well with the newer ones.

regards
Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
Offline pa-pauls  
#3 Posted : 09 June 2007 15:01:54(UTC)
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Great tips Hobbit, thank's !

Kimball :
Telex is on locomotives only and can be remote controlled. Relex is the "old" coupling (like the one you see to the left in
the second photo) and "Kurzkupplung" (short coupling) is the new one in for example the set 7205 and all new models delivered today.


Pål Paulsen
Märklin Spur 1 Digital, epoche 3
Offline kimballthurlow  
#4 Posted : 09 June 2007 15:23:00(UTC)
kimballthurlow

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Hi Pal,

Thanks for your description. That is very helpful.

I am wherever possible, substituting 7205 and 7203 "Kurzkupplung" (short coupling) for the old coupling. I also replace the Relex coupling if I buy new models with that coupling.

I find the coupling together of "Kurzkupplung" far more reliable than a mix of couplings.

regards
Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
Offline intruder  
#5 Posted : 11 June 2007 03:13:27(UTC)
intruder

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Thanks for the useful information and good instruction, Hobbit.

For me, one of the big benefits with the 7205 Kurzkupplung is the much smaller length difference in the car distance when pushing or pulling the cars. The "slack" in the KK is much smaller.

I have, step by step, converted all my locomotives and cars to KK, sometimes by cutting the metal Relex couplers and glue in a KK.

See an earlier topic: https://www.marklin-users.net/fo...ault.aspx?g=posts&t=5361
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Offline Hemmerich  
#6 Posted : 11 June 2007 14:11:29(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hobbit
I don't know if this is well known or old tip, but I have not seen this elsewhere and having just discovered it for myself I thought it was worth sharing.


Hi Hobbit,

yes - it is a (well?) known tip and I've already modified a number of my older cars years ago using this method. But it might not have been widely known here and thus it was IMHO well worth that you shared it with the forum. Thanks!!! Smile

As mentioned by you, this method is not only applicable for the short coupling, but even for the normal coupling too; Another alternative is to replace the complete bogie; see next pic at the right.

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BTW: With my "qick train cars" (Eilzugwagen) I have also replaced the existing short passage pieces (Faltenbälge) with longer i.e. expanded ones; makes the train look even more realistic.

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For several of my cars I've even replaced the bottom parts (for some where there is no short coupling car bottom only the bogies) to get them short coupled.

Here another example for the "Silverfish" cars; including the addition of this coupling to the steering car.

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Offline kimballthurlow  
#7 Posted : 11 June 2007 15:15:33(UTC)
kimballthurlow

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Thankyou Lutz for the extra tips. That will be very useful.

regards
Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
Offline Ross  
#8 Posted : 14 June 2007 02:34:22(UTC)
Ross

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Hobbit, Thanks for the documentation of the close coupler mods. I have tried this also, but didn't have enough couplers to modify.
Ross
Ross
Offline Hobbit  
#9 Posted : 11 July 2007 15:18:29(UTC)
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To Lutz:

As I mentioned in a new topic recently, your suggestion to replace the "passage piece" (faltenbalg) is indeed an excellent suggestion. I would like to change these on my coaches but I do not know the spare part numbers.

I searched the LokShop spare parts database (which is the only one I know of other than the locomotive-only pages from the Marklin site) for "faltenbalg" and it comes up with 40 alternatives. Unfortunately there are no illustrations to help identify them.

I would very much appreciate if you could tell me part number of the ones you used in the pictures above.
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Offline Hemmerich  
#10 Posted : 12 July 2007 00:40:18(UTC)
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#345330 (long) and #386920 (short).

You'd need to look for "Übergang" (or just have to know those numbers "by mystery" wink).
Offline Caplin  
#11 Posted : 12 July 2007 02:48:59(UTC)
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Are they made of soft material that would yield in curvesconfused

Regards,
Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL

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Offline Hobbit  
#12 Posted : 12 July 2007 07:44:12(UTC)
Hobbit


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Thank you Lutz. Much appreciated. I look forward to getting these and creating a new look to these old(?!) coaches. I presume part #386920 are the original pieces.

I really wish Marklin could provide a database which cross references all catalogue item numbers with part numbers, not just locomotives. Why does it have to be such a "mystery"?

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