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rschaffr		#1 Posted : 16 April 2007 01:23:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		I recently bought a Z gauge GG-1 and a set of Pennsy passenger coaches for my Grandson for next Christmas. I decided to set it up and give it a try today, so I dug out some old mini-club track and a xfromer I had, cleaned up the track, and put her on to run. I found that on a level surface she couldn't pull more than two of the coaches. Is this normal? Hardly useful to me (or him) if this is the case. Here are a few pix: [image]http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/images/gg-1-01.jpg[/image] [image]http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/images/gg-1-02.jpg[/image] [image]http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/images/gg-1-03.jpg[/image] I was thinking of starting a Z layout of my own, but if the loks can't even pull three coaches on a level surface, I'm not interested.
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
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perz		#2 Posted : 16 April 2007 02:03:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2002(UTC) Posts: 2,578 Location: Sweden		Was it slipping or was the motor stalled?
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rschaffr		#3 Posted : 16 April 2007 02:17:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Slipping with the motor racing. I gave it a little push and it moved a few cm then the wheels started slipping again.
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Frostie		#4 Posted : 16 April 2007 02:36:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,614 Location: Birmingham,Alabama		I do not have any experience wth Z or two-rail. But are the wheels on the locomotive smooth ? A real locomotive has weight to give it traction. It also has sand to provide greater adhesion when required. This is duplicated with our Marklin by rubber traction tires. So my question is how do we duplicate this with your litle Z GG-1. Is there some way to add traction force to the wheels of your little GG-1 ? How about adding some texture to he driving wheels ? You might try engraving on one wheel to see if it Or add some weght to the locomotive ? Do the wheels on the passenger cars spin freely ? Might be an issue there. Not knowledgeable about two rail, but those are ideas that come to mind.I am sssumng that you are using all Marklin components - I do not know about incompatability issues.
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rschaffr		#5 Posted : 16 April 2007 02:42:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		No traction tires. The loco is very light, but there is really no room for weights. The wheels of the coaches do spin freely. I used a needle to put a micro-drop of Marklin oil on each one after I had experienced this problem. They got a little easier to push, but the loco still couldn't handle them. It is such a great looking train, I'm sure my Grandson would love it, but as it is it would only frustrate him. I would expect that this loco would be able to work right out of the box pulling a reasonable train with out modification, though. I am very disappointed. It may wind up on eBay.
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viragoLDR		#6 Posted : 16 April 2007 13:05:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 703 Location: ,		I have a Z re460 which easily pulls 4 freight cars and 2 passenger coaches, including a cab control car with lights. Can't remember if it has traction tires or not though.
		- Martijn (early planning : H0-scale Era I K.Bay.sts.b) (active planning : N-scale mixed late Era Japanese) (possibly something Z-scale as well ;))
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DasBert33		#7 Posted : 16 April 2007 13:57:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,245		Are you sure the tractionwheels are oilfree? I had that with a new HO E94 once. It couldn't get up a hill alone while everyone in this forum was bragging about its pulling power. Cleaning the wheels with a dry cloth resolved the issue. Bert
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Frostie		#8 Posted : 16 April 2007 15:31:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,614 Location: Birmingham,Alabama		Ron: I agree with Bert Something to increase traction is a must. Perhaps clean the wheel as he suggests, or maybe you need to clean the tracks. Something else maybe - take a piece of track that you are willing to destroy. Take a small file and try and etch some roughness into the piece of track. The little locomotive has to have some grip some how ! Hope you discover some success !
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rschaffr		#9 Posted : 16 April 2007 15:53:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Thanks all. I cleaned the track with alcohol before running the train, so it was clean and dry. I didn't do the loco wheels, though. I'll try that next, I guess. I can't believe that this loco can't pull six coaches. Got to tbe something.
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
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viragoLDR		#10 Posted : 16 April 2007 17:01:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 703 Location: ,		Came across this site, not sure how useful it is: http://www.zscale.org/articles/traction.html It's a shame if it really is such a lousy puller, the combination of the loco and coaches looks real good, and I normally dislike the design of the GG-1 ;)
		- Martijn (early planning : H0-scale Era I K.Bay.sts.b) (active planning : N-scale mixed late Era Japanese) (possibly something Z-scale as well ;))
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rschaffr		#11 Posted : 16 April 2007 17:41:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Martijn: I'll pull the top off and see if there is any room for lead. I have several sizes of lead blocks for my HO...maybe I can cut some down to squeeze them in. I also plan to clean the wheels to see if that helps. The cars are extremely light now. I don't know if there are weights int hem or if they could eb remeoved. I'll have to check. I really like this train and would like to see it work.
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Heine Pedersen		#12 Posted : 16 April 2007 23:42:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 87 Location: ,		Something must be wrong here... most of my Z-locomotives can pull 6 passenger cars uphill 3% on my layout.
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rschaffr		#13 Posted : 16 April 2007 23:51:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Heine: That was certainly my expectation on this set. I need to look at things more closely. Has anyone else bought this loco?
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MärCo		#14 Posted : 16 April 2007 23:53:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,159 Location: The Netherlands		— How does the locomotive behave free running? — Is there a explosive view included in the box? Perhaps the weights are forgotten? — If the locomotive is new, consult a Märklin dealer. If you damage the locomotive, you have the risk that Märklin is not willing to repair the locomotive. — Rails must be DUST, GREASE and OIL FREE.
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rschaffr		#15 Posted : 16 April 2007 23:59:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by MärCo <br />— How does the locomotive behave free running? — Is there a explosive view included in the box? Perhaps the weights are forgotten? — If the locomotive is new, consult a Märklin dealer. If you damage the locomotive, you have the risk that Märklin is not willing to repair the locomotive. — Rails must be DUST, GREASE and OIL FREE. 1) It runs fine alone and with up to two coaches. Starts slipping with the third. 2) I don't believe I saw an exploded view int he box. I'll check. 3) Yes it is new. I want to make sure I eliminate all other possibilities before I go back to the dealer. 4) Yes, I cleaned the rails thoroughly before trying it.
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Heine Pedersen		#16 Posted : 17 April 2007 00:05:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 87 Location: ,		I am sure someone can help you at the Z-scale group on Trainboard. http://www.trainboard.co...e/forumdisplay.php?f=171
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Rowan		#17 Posted : 18 April 2007 22:45:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,278 Location: Brisbane, Queensland		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by rschaffr <br />.... I would expect that this loco would be able to work right out of the box pulling a reasonable train with out modification, though. I am very disappointed. It may wind up on eBay. I would too. Have you had any luck on it yet?
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ulf999		#18 Posted : 18 April 2007 22:48:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/05/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,908 Location: Stockholm, Sweden		The set looks nice. Too bad it's weak [:(]
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rschaffr		#19 Posted : 18 April 2007 22:52:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		The dealer (our good friend Mike aka Planovstruev) told me to return it and he will replace it. Before I do I want to see if it is a problem with some of the wheels not turning. I will do that tonight and box it up tomorrow if that is the problem. By the way, I think a plug is in order here. Mike is a great guy to deal with, provides quick, friendly service at a competitive price and stands behind his products. I am moving all of my Marklin, ESU, Faller, etc purchases to him now as my primary vendor. As he expands his line, (he is looking at Peco) I will got to him for those too. I hasten to add that another forum member (Martin Hoffmann) also has good service and competitive pricing, but Mike is practically in my backyard (a little over an hour away).
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
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ztrack		#20 Posted : 19 April 2007 00:21:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 124 Location: Dublin, OH		The Marklin GG1 is a great locomotive, but it is much too light. We ran an article in I believe in 2005 on this subject. The very simple solution is too add weight to the locomotive. There is alot of open space under the shell. Lead can be used to fill these voids. You will be amazed at the difference the weight makes. By the way, the GG1 is perfectly scaled. Marklin did a wonderful job on the scaling and details, but completely ignored the running by making these way too light to haul any long consist. Ztrains.com has a good review on the GG1. Check out: http://www.ztrains.com/pages/closeup/gg1/gg1.html Also, they have an article on the real loco: http://www.ztrains.com/p...strasburg/blackjack.html Rob Kluz
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rschaffr		#21 Posted : 19 April 2007 00:45:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Rob: Thanks for the great links. I've been to the Pennsy museum at Strasburg and gazed in wonder at that huge hunk of iron that is the GG-1. Truly an impressive machine. I am a European railfan, but the GG-1 is truly worth admiring.
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
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Piper		#22 Posted : 30 April 2007 00:44:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 262 Location: Johannesburg		Ron, Sorry to here of your problem & I hope they sort it out soon. I have ordered a few pieces of which the "Croc" was one. After hearing about your problem I was really worried. However we should not be, my "Croc" is perfect and can pull quit a few cars as you can see in the picture. Pieter
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viragoLDR		#23 Posted : 30 April 2007 12:34:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 703 Location: ,		There was a z-scale show at the local train store last weekend (didn't know about it until I was at the store, otherwise I would've taken pictures, but I'm sure someone else here belongs to the group that held the show ;)).. Anyway, they had a GG-1 running there with 4 cars. Not that many but the thing ran real smooth at low speed. I think it might have been digital though. That said, I didn't have much time when I was there, but the little I saw looked amazing, handmade turnouts and everything =)
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rschaffr		#24 Posted : 30 April 2007 17:56:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Martijn: I have returned the GG-1 to the dealer for evaluation. I put a 1/4oz lead weight on the roof before I returned it. It added one car to the pull but still couldn't pull them all. Possible outcomes are: 1) My unit is defective and will be repaired/replaced or 2) this is characteristic of the unit, in which case I can't use it since it will do nothing but frustrated my Grandson. Perhaps I'll look at the Pennsy F7A/B unit if it can pull the cars, otherwise, I intend to return the cars too and forget the whole thing.
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
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rschaffr		#25 Posted : 06 May 2007 07:24:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Interesting development. I got the box of Z gauge trains from my son to do some experimenting. I hooked up a BR E120 he has to the cars. It pulled five without complaining, but spun it's wheels on the sixth. I had given him an oval of Micro Trains track which is what they use (easier to assemble for carpetbahn use than the Marklin track) and the 120 had no problem at all moving the six cars, even at dead slow speed on the MT track. With a little weight, the GG-1 may work ok on this track. As an aside, since I had it here I thought I would set up the ICE I gave my Grandson last Christmas and give it a run. Here are a few pictures: [image]http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/images/z-ice01.jpg[/image] [image]http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/images/z-ice02.jpg[/image]
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
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CCS800KrokHunter3		#26 Posted : 06 May 2007 09:56:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,605		Looks great...I have only seen the ICE in the box...never running...must look good.
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Rowan		#27 Posted : 06 May 2007 23:09:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,278 Location: Brisbane, Queensland		Giday! Interesting that you put weight onto the lok with so little result. I wonder if the weight might have to be split over the bogies or some thing.Too much weight? Had an impulse buy and collected a little croc at the show. Will have check out it's pulling power some time.
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nevw		#28 Posted : 07 May 2007 03:53:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		I got a 8139 Set on Saturday. about the same time as Rowan Got is Croc. Out of the box it was only capeable of pulling the tender. Ran it for about an hour , then it could pull all wagons, (Tender and 5 Wagons). Nev
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rschaffr		#29 Posted : 07 May 2007 03:56:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Good info, Nev. Thanks.
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rschaffr		#30 Posted : 21 May 2007 23:29:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Update: I got my GG-1 back. I added 1/4 oz of lead to it (1/8 on each end under the contact board for the pantographs). It pulls a lot better (after a period of run-in as suggested above by Nev). It actually manages the six cars without complaining on level ground, but can't take more than the slightest incline. I plan to re-clean the rails and the wheels of the lok and try it again. Also thought of trying to transfer a fine coating of rubber from an eraser to one wheelset on each bogie. I'll keep you all posted. Another interesting observation on the wagons. I have found that they roll more freely in one direction than the other. I can't explain it, but I have oriented them all so that forward is the path of least resistance. I really like this little train. I may just keep it and set up a small Z layout for myself.
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nevw		#31 Posted : 22 May 2007 00:55:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Ron, Plased to hear that things are running a bit freely. Nev
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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john black		#32 Posted : 31 May 2007 13:57:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Ron, glad for you she's working - at last Well, some time back I had serious thoughts about Z. But then there's that price tag - €245 is what I've paid for each of my big C-Sinus HO-Gators with sound (#39221, 39222, 39223) Still more - I'll not grow younger. Nor does my eyesight ... [:I]
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rschaffr		#33 Posted : 31 May 2007 15:46:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Thanks. It is quite small. I had some furtive thoughts about a small Z layout, but I think it is too small for me. I'll leave it to the younger eyes.
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biotechee		#34 Posted : 05 June 2007 15:54:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/12/2006(UTC) Posts: 338 Location: Doylestown, PA		My collection (if one could call it that) started out as Z. Once I realized that it was *easier* to create a more realistic layout (both visually and operationally) AND that the offerings for HO far outweighed those for Z, I switched to HO. The downside there: I really have no good, useable space for an HO layout per my liking. I could easily put up a decent sized Z layout if I wanted... I will eventually sell off the majority of my Z stuff when I get around to it. I am in no rush, but I just can see myself setting up a layout in Z. I am, however, amazed at what can be accomplished with Z scale. Definitely cool- and to those who have layouts, good on ya!
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rschaffr		#35 Posted : 01 November 2007 04:06:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		I finally got around to trying my idea of transferring some rubber from an eraser to a few of the drive wheels on the engine. It is marginally better but still could use some more traction. If I leave one of the cars out of the train, it runs fine, but it just can't seem to pull the 6 coaches up even the slightest grade. I may see if I can cram a little more weight into the shell.
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shaygetz		#36 Posted : 01 November 2007 06:12:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/12/2006(UTC) Posts: 348 Location: , Florida		What a beauty..and in Z!!! As you can see, I have a certain affection for the old GG1 myself and have since added a fourth...sigh...they are all AHM/Rivarossi, never thought of going to Marklin for an American loc before now.
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Pianne		#37 Posted : 01 November 2007 15:51:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 461 Location: Bruges,		Ron, Have you checked that all wheels have equal traction, i.e. all touch the rails and none is sticking out too low? Just a thought...
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rschaffr		#38 Posted : 01 November 2007 16:06:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Good thought, Pieter-Jan. I'll check. I looked inside the body last night and I think I can get another 1/4 oz weight in if I cut it up into four pieces. I think the lok just needs more pressure on the traction wheels, but I will check the alignment too. Thanks.
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dntower85		#39 Posted : 01 November 2007 17:02:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA		Ron, I wonder what would happen if you took a neodymium magnets from a hard drive and glued it to the bottom of the loco. Is Z track ferrite? Humm an inverted GG1
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rschaffr		#40 Posted : 07 November 2007 15:26:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		DT: I hope I don't have to go to extremes like that. I had it apart last night and managed to squeeze another 1/8 oz of lead into it. I don't have room far any more. I did not get a chance to try it with the additional lead...maybe tonight. I have some database work I have to do at my job after hours tonight (when all the users are gone) so I may not get to it.
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
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steventrain		#41 Posted : 08 November 2007 10:28:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by shaygetz <br />What a beauty..and in Z!!! Very nice pictures, Is it HO scale?
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