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Offline jcegido  
#1 Posted : 25 July 2003 11:16:40(UTC)
jcegido


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Location: Madrid, Madrid
Hi all,
Maybe this has been written before here but I can´t find it, can you tell me the equivalence between Märklin decoder wires (color code) and another makes ones? (ESU Lokpilot for instance) Or tell me where I can find it. Thanks.Cool
Juan Carlos
Offline perz  
#2 Posted : 25 July 2003 11:51:56(UTC)
perz

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These are the ones I know:

Märklin 60902 (used also in the 60901, 60903 and 60904 conversion sets ):

Red Track power conductor (pick-up shoe)
brown Track ground return (wheels, chassis)(NOT decoder ground!)
gray Hot wire (-) to front headlight
yellow Hot wire (-) to rear headlight
blue Motor connection
green Motor connection
orange Function return (+)
brown/red Hot wire (-) to function 1
brown/green Hot wire (-) to function 2
violet Decoder ground

ESU LokPilot:

red Track power conductor (pick-up shoe)
black Track ground return (wheels, chassis)(NOT decoder ground!)
white Hot wire (-) to front headlight
yellow Hot wire (-) to rear headlight
orange Motor connection
gray Motor connection
blue Function return (+)
green Hot wire (-) to function 1
violet Hot wire (-) to function 2

Märklin 6603 (old Delta decoder):

Red Track power conductor (pick-up shoe)
brown Track ground return (wheels, chassis)(NOT decoder ground!)
gray Hot wire (-) to front headlight
yellow Hot wire (-) to rear headlight
blue Motor connection to field coil
green Motor connection to field coil
black Motor connection to armature
Offline jcegido  
#3 Posted : 25 July 2003 13:09:36(UTC)
jcegido


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Thanks Perz,
You´ve been as quick and helpful as always.
Juan Carlos
Offline McLae  
#4 Posted : 25 July 2003 22:53:07(UTC)
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Location: DeSoto (Dallas area), TX
OK, I'll bite...
What is the difference between the 60902 Blue and Green motor wire, and the Delta blue, green and black? If I have a Delta Lok, what does the black connect to?

I have a Delta OBB 1022 (the Orange one). What paarts would I need to order to convert to digital? I have a 39222 (green) that runs like a champ, and I would like both to run the same.
The McLae
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Offline perz  
#5 Posted : 25 July 2003 23:33:16(UTC)
perz

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1. Difference between 60902 green, blue and Delta green, blue, black motor wires:

The 60902 decoder is for a DC motor. The Delta decoder is for an AC motor. The rest of the components in the conversion kits 60901, 60903 and 60904 are for the conversion of the motor to DC.

The direction of travel is in a DC motor controlled by the direction of the current to the motor. There is therefore only need for two motor wires (green, blue).

An AC motor runs in the same direction regardless of the direction of the current. The direction of travel is instead controlled by the relative polarity between the field coil and the armature coil. There are two field coil windings in the Märklin AC motor, one for each direction. The Delta decoder has one wire for each field coil winding (green and blue) and one common return on the other side of the armature winding.

2. The ÖBB 1022:

The 39222 is a C-sine model, and there is no conversion kit to C-sine. I think you could use the 60901 kit to get ordinary 37xxx performance (I'm not 100% sure about that). The 60901 gives generally very good performance. However the 37xxx and 39xxx motors have quite different designs and I think it will be difficult to match the two locos perfectly for e.g. tandem traction.
Offline Webmaster  
#6 Posted : 26 July 2003 06:01:21(UTC)
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What perz means is that a DC motor only needs + and - voltage to work, hence the blue & green wires from the 6090x decoders since the rotor lives in a permanent magnet field. Either ou go one way or the or the other depending on what wire is fed with voltage/current. The conventional Märklin motor has 2 coils in the stator that need to be "energized" with current/voltage to become magnetic... These 2 coils are in one end connected together, giving a reference point to "common" electrically... This means that the green would activate one of the stator coils to "simulate" a permanent magnet and "energize" the motor to move in one direction, and the blue would "energize" the other coil so the motor moves in the opposite direction. The "common" is the black wire, aka the "center" tap where the coils are connected together in one end. Since the Delta is made to work with the so called "AC" motors with those 2 coils and a reference point, it just has to have that black wire as a reference point.

Your could see it as the Delta (and c80) tries to make a permanent magnet motor out of the standard dual-electromagnet motor, hence the polarity of the wires and the need for a "common" point (ze schwartze wire)... It is actually kind of like how M turnouts work, activate one coil - the turnout moves in one direction, activate the other - it moves in the other direction.... The visual difference is that the loco motor stator coil seems to be "one coil" - when it in fact has 2 separate coils...

Sorry if I sound "blurry"... [:p]
Juhan - "Webmaster", at your service...
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