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Larry		#1 Posted : 21 March 2007 07:20:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		I've seen comments about HAG HO AC in another thread regarding AC but was wondering for those of you with experience with HAG AC digital+sound, how does it compare with Marklin? Prices seem to be significantly higher for a start but the detailing look excellent. I'm curious about Hobbytrade HO AC digital. In the March issue of <u>ModellEisenBahner</u> they showed new models from Nuernberg specifically the Siemens ME26. I know Hobbytrade is from Denmark and offers Danish and Norwegian models. Any experience with Hobbytrade HO AC digital+sound? How do they compare to Marklin HO digital+sound? I really like the diversity these models provide beyond the Marklin line-up. Thanks much.
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Guus		#2 Posted : 21 March 2007 09:52:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Hi Larry, Next month I'll receive my first HAG loc with sound. I'll post a review on a direct comparison between this and a similar Märklin model. Prices are significantly higher than those of Märklin, but worth it I think. The attention to detailing is very very good. The motor is a bit old fashioned when you compare it with recent Märklin motors,however it is very well made.It has a three pole drum collector rotor similar to those in some older Märklin locomotives.The motor has ballbearings which attributes to very smooth running almost as good as a Faulhaber or C-sine engine. Kind regards Guus
		Kind regards, Guus
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mz_1414		#3 Posted : 21 March 2007 11:16:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 413 Location: ,		hobby trade drives just as a marklin, it´s a great brad, and the sound is esu, just as marklin´s mfx
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David Dewar		#4 Posted : 21 March 2007 13:07:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,448 Location: Scotland		HAG are excellent and in my view better than Marklin although the range is small and finding the model you want to buy can be difficult. As has been said sound is ESU. Build quality is better than M and you get sprung buffers and a driver in the cab but little attempt made to hide the motor inside. Most are electric locos and unless you really must have sound I feel it is not worth paying the extra for this. HAG coaches are very good but at present almost impossible to buy until the end of this year. David .
		Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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DamonKelly		#5 Posted : 21 March 2007 13:40:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,423 Location: Brisbane, QLD		I have the Hobbytrade MZ-IV AC+Sound (PN 261459), and have generally been very pleased with it: * it is very smooth, with good pulling power * low speed operation is excellent * the ESU LokSound seems quite loud I would have to say that the body seems a bit fragile, though -- it is moulded from relatively soft plastic, and is quite flexible. I don't know how long it will last (given I have a 40-year-old Märklin 3000 still in fine condition). I agree that HT (and others) provide some nice variety.
		Cheers, Damon
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pserup		#6 Posted : 21 March 2007 17:49:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 897 Location: Ramløse, Denmark		Having quite a few Hobbytrade loks I must say that I agree with Damon.
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jonquinn		#7 Posted : 21 March 2007 19:28:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,591 Location: Pennsylvania		HAG is far smoother/quieter running than almost all of marklin's HO offerings - good at all speeds even with analog control. Only a few of the marklin 5 star drives run as good, and not all of them. Some of the new C sines are comparable in function. I think they might use ball bearings instead of plastic bushings for the motor shafts. Detail is good, but maybe not as many little add-on detailiing parts as the latest marklin offerings, at least on the older HAGs. I have several older HAGs and two new ones, a 460 and a BDe raicar (excellent in all respects). I highly recommend them.
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Voller		#8 Posted : 21 March 2007 19:40:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/12/2006(UTC) Posts: 78 Location: Helsingør, Denmark		I recently shot a video of a Hobbytrade-model. http://modeltog.voller.dk/galle...s/mz-1459-drejeskive.wmv. It might be of interest to you? In my opinion, the models from Hobbytrade run and sound very well. Bonus info: Large Hobbytrade-models with a LokSound-decoder often have two speakers, not just one.
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Davy		#9 Posted : 21 March 2007 20:19:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		Hag has a lot of trouble also with esu sounddecoders.
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mz_1414		#10 Posted : 21 March 2007 20:47:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 413 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DamonKelly <br />I have the Hobbytrade MZ-IV AC+Sound (PN 261459), and have generally been very pleased with it: * it is very smooth, with good pulling power * low speed operation is excellent * the ESU LokSound seems quite loud I would have to say that the body seems a bit fragile, though -- it is moulded from relatively soft plastic, and is quite flexible. I don't know how long it will last (given I have a 40-year-old Märklin 3000 still in fine condition). I agree that HT (and others) provide some nice variety. Just turn the ESU LokSound down..
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mz_1414		#11 Posted : 22 March 2007 19:43:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 413 Location: ,		A video whit HOBBY TRADES Litra ME and MZ and a littel green model of litra MH from the brad togmodelle also danish brad
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Guus		#12 Posted : 23 May 2007 17:52:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		I've made a comparison between a Märklin loc with sound and HAGs equivalent. It concerns a Re 4/4 SBB type 460. -The HAG loc has a somewhat larger speaker which makes the sound fuller when compared with Märklins. -The initial setting of the volume with HAGs 460 is a bit too loud for my taste. -The HAG loc has an extra sound which Märklin doesn't have; a conductors whistle indicating train ready for departure. Overall the sounds are very similar and will not be a reason for me to place HAG above Märklin. Kind regards Guus
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David Dewar		#13 Posted : 24 May 2007 00:46:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,448 Location: Scotland		HAG and M use ESU decoders so I expect the sound is similar in both. I think HAG quality is better than M but the firm itself is hopeless and it is very dificult to buy anything other than what they want to sell you. David
		Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Larry		#14 Posted : 24 May 2007 05:16:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		Guus - Is there a way to find out the functionality of HAG prior to purchasing. When I buy it's great to know what you are getting rather than being disappointed. David and Guus - Your comments make me want to try HAG. AJCkids and others are carrying them now. The price always seems so steep though.
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kml		#15 Posted : 24 May 2007 07:32:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 50 Location: ,		I just received a Hag 4/4 (used) earlier this week. It is a analog(ac) model. The build and construction is solid . It is quite heavy. It runs very smooth and is very quiet. It is much better running compared to marklin and the finishing is far better. Even though they have higher prices, it is really a treat to have one.
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jonquinn		#16 Posted : 26 May 2007 03:32:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,591 Location: Pennsylvania		if the price of new HAG is too much for you, Larry, don't hesitate to try to get an older one from ebay. sometimes these can be had for half what the new ones sell for, and still look pretty good, and it can be converted to digital. their drive system/motors are smooooth.
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Larry		#17 Posted : 26 May 2007 03:36:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		Jon - Good idea. Thanks. I guess HAG just seems a lot more than Maerklin and I wonder if the value is worth the additional $$$. However, I'm more kinda lazy about going to eBay (plus I never win!) kinda and want everything "ready made" except the layout.
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Guus		#18 Posted : 26 May 2007 16:03:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Hi Larry, Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Guus - Is there a way to find out the functionality of HAG prior to purchasing. When I buy it's great to know what you are getting rather than being disappointed. That's probably the hardest part of it all. Like David already mentioned HAG products come in short supply and there aren't many dealers around, even in Switzerland, that stock HAG in significant numbers. I've once visited their factory/shop.Don't expect anything fancy.It is a very down to earth establishment run by what I think are very enthusiastic and knowledgeable people. If it's any consolation, I haven't been disappointed up till now by any HAG item I've bought and I agree with Kamol and Jon,used locos can be very attractive too. A couple of weeks ago I bought a Re 6/6 in mint condition-even the box was meticulous- at an auction ,for less than a third of its regular price. Kind regards Guus
		Kind regards, Guus
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David Dewar		#19 Posted : 27 May 2007 01:00:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,448 Location: Scotland		Larry you will not be dissappointed with HAG if you like Swiss Models. Try Eurolokshop.com. They do keep reasonable stocks and I have bought from them. Very expensive to send here to Scotland with postage and extra taxes but they did have what I wanted. I would buy new and you will have a loco for a lifetime which runs well and looks great. You will get an ESU decoder but not mfx but I dont think it is worth buying sound for what are mainly electric locos. Coaches are also very good but difficult to find. Costly to buy...yes but thats the nature of our hobby. David
		Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Guus		#20 Posted : 27 May 2007 14:18:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:originally posted by David: .....but I dont think it is worth buying sound for what are mainly electric locos..... I have a couple of electric locomotives with sound and I agree with you David.Neither do I think it is worth the extra expense. I think sounds are nice while the loco is still in the station or when it accelerates,but as soon as the train is running continuously,the sound tends to get a bit annoying. Kind regards Guus
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