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Offline Larry  
#1 Posted : 15 March 2007 06:43:37(UTC)
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Much like in the discovery of the "Secrets of the Da Vinci Code", evidence was recently unearthed in Goeppingen, under ruins of a machine shop dating back to the 1890s, that Marklin's founders were actually 100% Dutch. Further research, now coming to light, has also uncovered that since the founding of Marklin, countless German leaders have attempted to suppress this highly guarded and sensitive secret. In fact, Wilhelm II knew about this secret and, in exchange, the Dutch founders of Marklin promised to produce a model of his royal train set on a periodic basis as long as Marklin would continue to exist.Smile Like the Da Vinci Code, this is fiction.wink

What is not fiction is what seems (to me anyway) to be a disproportionately large number of people from a relatively small European country (Netherlands) actively collecting/running Marklin, owning shops and involved with this forum.

Four years ago I entered this het fascineren (Dutch, fascinating) world and everywhere I turned it was Marklin as sold by proprietors that were, by birth, Dutch. My first random purchases from US dealers ended up being from 2 Marklin proprietors that were Dutch and since then just about everytime I turn around I keep bumping into Marklin as promoted by the Dutch.

Now I know that analytical and precocious types on this forum (assuming they have read this far) are really raising their eyebrows. People such as "Scientific" Sanders, will undoubtedly state that this is purely my own experience and not hardly representative in any way, shape or form of reasonably proven reality. True, but am I completely nuts?

Even if you don't accept my hypothesis of the "Marklin/Dutch Da Decoder Secret", what is it about the Dutch and Marklin? What has drawn them to Marklin or what is it about them that they seemingly end up so well represented as Marklinists?
Offline MärCo  
#2 Posted : 15 March 2007 06:54:26(UTC)
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After WW II, The Netherlands were the first large export market for Märklin. Specially since Märklin produced for the Dutch market a cheap Antex starter set. With that, much Dutch boys grew up with model trains, and further with the Märklin range of trains. I'll think that is the secret behind it.
For a while, 50% of the model trains sold were Märklin HO, the other 50% was divided by other brands and gauges.
Absolutly AFB-NOHAB fan ;-)
Offline xxup  
#3 Posted : 15 March 2007 06:54:56(UTC)
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Mate, the Dutch are everywhere... Technically they found Australia about 100 years before Captain Cook (a UK Naval Captain who proclaimed the whole lot for his country before he even finished mapping it..), saw it was mostly desert and sensibly moved on.. They work hard, drink even harder and always seem to date the best chicks (Australian slang for women).. I know this 'cause a friend of mine is Dutch and used to work for me - is same age as me and dates the most beautiful 25 year olds.. [:0]

I would not be surprise to find that Darwin was wrong and that the origin of the species is really Netherlands! biggrin
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Offline Tony  
#4 Posted : 15 March 2007 08:04:33(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by xxup
<br />Mate, the Dutch are everywhere... Technically they found .......

I would not be surprise to find that Darwin was wrong and that the origin of the species is really Netherlands! biggrin



biggrinbiggrinbiggrin
Regards Tony
Offline MärCo  
#5 Posted : 15 March 2007 09:01:34(UTC)
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If I am not wrong, in the north of Australia there is cape Arnhem. Arnhem is a Dutch town.
Absolutly AFB-NOHAB fan ;-)
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#6 Posted : 15 March 2007 09:59:00(UTC)
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New Zealand was discovered in 1642 by a Dutchman called Abel Tasman - http://history-nz.org/discovery1.html

He also visited Australia, and discovered that Australia was a continent island. The state of Tasmania and the Tasman Sea (the sea between Australia and New Zealand) are named after him. In New Zealand, we also have the Tasman National Park.

Australia was discovered in 1606 by Willem Janszoon, a Dutchman, who tried to call Australia "Nieu Zelandt" after the Dutch province of Zeeland but this name was not adopted, and was later used by Abel Tasman to name New Zealand.

So, New Zealand could have been called Australia, and Australia called New Zealand......

Many Dutch have settled in New Zealand, many coming here in the 50's and 60's.

So it is reasonable to assume that the Dutch may also have been the original founders of Marklin. Many people of my age are fond of Marklin products, so maybe the Dutch brought Marklin here with them as well.
Offline Gert-Jan  
#7 Posted : 15 March 2007 10:00:47(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by xxup
<br />Mate, the Dutch are everywhere...They work hard, drink even harder and always seem to date the best chicks (Australian slang for women)..


Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by MärCo
<br />If I am not wrong, in the north of Australia there is cape Arnhem. Arnhem is a Dutch town.


Best chicks?...true (although Germany, Italy, France are runner up's IMHO) biggrin

Talking about chicks (of topic)...typically Dutch being so humble to European Government...whenever there is some bird flu issue...the dutch government is utmost humble with rules for caging chicks [xx(]
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Offline hxmiesa  
#8 Posted : 15 March 2007 10:36:47(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Gert-Jan
Best chicks?...true (although Germany, Italy, France are runner up's IMHO) biggrin

Germans? You cant be serious?!?! ;-)

Personally I wouldnt discard spanish chicks either! There´s something about those latinas... ;-)
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Offline DasBert33  
#9 Posted : 15 March 2007 11:07:12(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by hxmiesa
Personally I wouldnt discard spanish chicks either! There´s something about those latinas... ;-)


Yes, they all have 'moustaches' biggrin

B
Offline Davy  
#10 Posted : 15 March 2007 13:03:20(UTC)
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I have always said on German forums that if the Germans kept on lashing on Marklin for no good reasons what so ever. That Marklin must leave Germany and that they will be welcome in the Netherlands.

It has made my very populair.

biggrin

By the way Marklin is very big in the Netherlands.
Marketshare is probarly 50%.
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Offline stephenbb  
#11 Posted : 15 March 2007 14:38:35(UTC)
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New York City was started by the Dutch!
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Offline Sander van Wijk  
#12 Posted : 15 March 2007 15:49:18(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by stephenbb
<br />New York City was started by the Dutch!


True, New York orginally was Dutch, unfortunately, the Dutch traded NY for Suriname, for the raw materials that were to be found there.

The evidence of the Dutch influence in NY is easy to find. Brooklyn for example originates from Breukelen, a medium-sized city in the Netherlands. Furthermore, a lot of buildings in the centre of NY have a Dutch architecture style.

[Scientific mode] wink

Whether Märklin is Dutch? I guess not. Fact is that like Marco mentioned, the Netherlands were (and are) a huge export market to Märklin. (See Facts and Figures December 2006: BeNeLux (being Belgium, Netherlands and Luxemburt) are despite the size are the second export market after Switzerland. But from the same figures it can be derived that Germany is the major market, having 100% - 28% (export) = 72 % home market. Of course anyone could argue that this figure is biased, since a lot of international Märklinists buy their stuff at Lokshop and others and are thus accounting for "home market" sales. [speculation] Furthermore, not every (US) dealer buys at M* as being a US one. wink [/speculation]

About the existence of so many people from the Netherlands in this forum and in the MRR business itself: it's easy. Dutch people in general tend to be pretty outward looking towards other countries. (Like the NY example mentioned and the Verenigde Oost-indische Compagnie (VOC) in the so called "golden-century". (See: http://en.wikipedia.org/...utch_East_India_Company)
Furthermore, there is an interesting scientific model by Geert Hofstede to characterise a culture on various dimensions. Among those dimensions is risk taking (UAI), which is a little rather average for the Netherlands Culture. (see: http://www.geert-hofsted...stede_netherlands.shtml) Far more interesting in this respect is the high level of individuality (IDV). Perhaps this individuality enables a lot of Dutch people to leave their homeland, their family and friends and to go living somewhere else. (And to start a MRR shop there... [:p] Although this model is highly valued in Management Theory, it is of course only an explaining tool, not a predicting one.

[/Scientific mode]

And... another advantage: a pretty high level of english language knowledge and skills, enabling a Dutch person to start a business in native english speaking countries easier.
Sander
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Offline pa-pauls  
#13 Posted : 15 March 2007 17:54:50(UTC)
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Hmmm [}:)]

I miss the "old" days when we was viking's biggrinbiggrin
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Offline Bill Marklin  
#14 Posted : 15 March 2007 18:05:25(UTC)
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Really?
I don't think so!
But I like the idea,
because I love Marklin
Greetings from
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Offline soren36  
#15 Posted : 15 March 2007 18:36:07(UTC)
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More on the Dutch legacy in and around Nieu Amsterdam, New Netherland (aka New York):

U.S. TOWNS AND CITIES WITH DUTCH NAMES

The Dutch West India Company settled a large parcel of land in the eastern United States, which in the 1600's became known as New Netherland. The borders of New Netherland would have stretched, in modern times, from southern Delaware through New Jersey and east-central Pennsylvania into eastern and central New York, including Long Island and Manhattan. The Dutch influence on these areas is still felt today, and many towns and cities in the U.S. were named after the towns from which the Dutch settlers had emigrated.

The Bowery, New York: named after the Dutch bouwerij or boerderij, meaning the farm.

Block Island, Rhode Island: named after the Dutch explorer Adriaen Block in 1614.

The Bronx, New York: one of the earliest settlers in New Netherland was Jonas Bronck. Bronck had a farm just north of Manhattan and people travelling in this area spoke of "going to the Broncks'." The name of the area was anglicized after 1664.

Brooklyn, New York: the original Dutch settlement on Long Island was named Breuckelen after the town in the Netherlands.

Cape May, New Jersey: Named after the sea captain and first governor of New Netherland, Cornelis Jacobsz May.

Catskill, New York and Pennsylvania: A Dutch map from 1656 calls this area "Kats Kill," kats meaning lions, tigers, cats, etc., and kill meaning stream or creek.

Cobleskill, New York: or Coble's stream after Jacob Kobell, an early Dutch settler.

Coney Island, New York: derives its name from the Dutch Conyne Eylandt, or rabbit island.

Drenthe, Michigan: named after the Dutch province.

East River, New York: A Dutch map from 1656 refers to the river as the Oost Rivier, or East River. At that time, the Hudson river was known as the Noort Rivier or North River and the Delaware River was known as the Zuydt Rivier or South River.

Fish Kill, New York: an anglicization of the Dutch vischers kill, or fisher's stream.

Flushing, New York: the original Dutch settlement on Long Island was named Vlissingen after the Dutch harbor town. The British had long referred to Vlissingen as Flushing, and after 1664 the English name was adopted.

Gramercy, New York: this Long Island district took its name from colloquial Dutch krom-marisje, or crooked marsh.

Gravesend, New York: named after the Dutch city Gravesant.

Greenwich, New York: from the Dutch greenwyck or "pine area."

Harlem, New York: named after the important Dutch city Haarlem. Local residents resisted British attempts to rename the town Lancaster.

Hells Gate, New York: after the Dutch equivalent Helle Gadt, so-named because of the dangerous tidal currents.

Hempstead, New York: after the Dutch city Heemstede.

Hoboken, New Jersey: named after the village Hoboken, which was formerly in the United Provinces (forerunner of the present-day Netherlands) and now is found in northern Belgium.

Lansing, Michigan: named after the prominent Dutch Lansing family.

Long Island, New York: named by Adriaen Block 't Lange Eylandt--the long island.

Nassau County, New York: named after the Dutch Prince of Orange-Nassau.

Rhode Island: 't Roode Eylandt, or red island, found on a map drawn by Dutch explorer Adriaen Block.

Sandy Hook, New Jersey: after the Dutch Sant Punt or sand point, but Hoek, or hook, was also commonly used.

Saugerties, New York: after the Dutch Zagers Killetje or Zagers' stream. Zagers was the first Dutch settler on the stream.

Saybrook, Connecticut: after the port in northern Belgium, Zeebroeck, or sea river.

Schuylkill, New York and Pennsylvania: after the Dutch schuilplaats--the hiding place, referring to an early incident in which a Swedish ship lay hidden in the stream, or kill, hence Schuylkill.

Staten Island, New York: a Dutch map refers to the island as "Staten Eylandt," after the Dutch States-General, the predecessor of the current Dutch parliament.

Swanwyck, Delaware: named after the Dutch Swaenewyck, or swan place.

Tarrytown, New York: a Dutch settler established a wheat mill at the point where the Pocantico empties into the Hudson River. The settlement became known as tarwe town--tarwe is the Dutch word for wheat.

Teaneck, New Jersey: possibly of two origins, one after the Dutch family Ten Eyck, or after the Dutch Tiende Neck, meaning tenth curve (in the Hackensack River.)

The Van Wyck Expressway.

Wallabout Bay, New York: from the Dutch Waalen Boogt meaning the Walloon's Curve.
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Offline Gert-Jan  
#16 Posted : 15 March 2007 19:27:16(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DasBert33
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by hxmiesa
Personally I wouldnt discard spanish chicks either! There´s something about those latinas... ;-)

Yes, they all have 'moustaches' biggrin


LOL biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

Talk about 'apartheid' wink
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Offline tonyfh  
#17 Posted : 15 March 2007 20:29:49(UTC)
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Always learning something here, I like that.

And what do you think of "caboose", I'm told it is coming from "kombuis" (ships kitchen)
Offline john black  
#18 Posted : 15 March 2007 20:35:09(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by pa-pauls
<br />Hmmm [}:)]
I miss the "old" days when we was viking's biggrinbiggrin

biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

And Hal - many thanks for your effort, great list [:p] !!!
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
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Offline MärCo  
#19 Posted : 15 March 2007 22:42:22(UTC)
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And New York was formerly called Nieuw Amsterdam.
Absolutly AFB-NOHAB fan ;-)
Offline Bart  
#20 Posted : 15 March 2007 23:51:51(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Larry
[Four years ago I entered this het fascineren (Dutch, fascinating) world and everywhere I turned it was Marklin as sold by proprietors that were, by birth, Dutch. My first random purchases from US dealers ended up being from 2 Marklin proprietors that were Dutch and since then just about everytime I turn around I keep bumping into Marklin as promoted by the Dutch.

The only MRR shop I have visited in the US (Caboose Hobbies in Denver) turned out to be run by a Dutch lady biggrin
*Bart
Offline orubias  
#21 Posted : 16 March 2007 00:16:20(UTC)
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Never been in Spain, DasBrt33?

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Offline laalves  
#22 Posted : 16 March 2007 00:45:17(UTC)
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Offline nevw  
#23 Posted : 16 March 2007 01:47:22(UTC)
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On hte West Australian Coast there are a Lot of Dutch Named Places due to the early Dutch Sailors.
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Offline xxup  
#24 Posted : 16 March 2007 01:54:48(UTC)
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Hello Luis,
When I was at school in the '60s the Dutch were recognised as the early discoverers of Australia.. No mention of the Portugese, but this is probably because the information presented was not widely known.. Certainly there now seems evidence that the Portugese arrived in Australia even earlier than the Dutch... But is equally obvious that they never returned - the reason why is certainly on my list of Time Machine visits.. Smile Portugese - the quiet achievers?

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Offline laalves  
#25 Posted : 16 March 2007 03:25:06(UTC)
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Australia was off-limits in accordance to the treaty with Spain.

According to one of the theories, Cristovão Mendonça was aledgedly sent in 1519 to hunt Fernão de Magalhães (whom anglos call Magellan) who was regarded as a traitor to the Portuguese crown (because he was working for the Spaniards), and aledgedly stumbled into Australia.

There's no real proof of any of this, just a theory supported by some facts. There's also another one, that another Portuguese fleet could have reached Austraulia in 1605, just one year before the Dutch did.

The Chinese may have been there even earlier too.

Ah, BTW, Chistopherus Columbus, aka Cristovão Colombo, was also Portuguese, a Cuba natural biggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrin. Cuba is a little place in Alentejo, a southern province here, that is actually the only place on earth that was named Cuba, at the time Hispaniola was found. He then found the island he eventually named Cuba, after his hometown biggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrin. Again, another historian's theory, supported by some facts, but by no means proven.

We could have known a lot more, if it weren't for most of the Portuguese discoveries records gotten destroyed in the 1775 earthquake.

Luis
Offline Larry  
#26 Posted : 16 March 2007 06:25:54(UTC)
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Well, gee, that is a lot more information than I ever imagined. biggrin The thread even diverged into advice on "Chicks" from different countries. I'm certain that this was extremely helpful in sorting out those issues of international importance and adding to our collective knowledge of women in the world. wink

Of course, the Dutch once again were the propulsion motor (sine, I assume) behind the majority of responses. And, I suspect that those of you who identified yourself as from Australian, US, Spain, etc., are actually from the Netherlands. [8)] I'm also now convinced that Buddha, Mohammed, Christ and God were all Dutch or probably wanted to be to get them "chicks".biggrin Yeah, come to think of it, while news reports in the USA have now moved onto Anna Nicole (one big Chick most of the time), all last year the main story on the news was about a Dutch youth named Johan Van der Sloot who was popular with women in Aruba.

While I cannot make as formidable contribution as Hal Sorenson's list of cities named after the Dutch, I can contribute to what these Dutch names mean in English:

http://www.geocities.com...irie/3374/dutchname1.htm

All this means is that next time you respond to Scientific Sander, you can also call him Scientific Alexander! biggrin

Thanks for all the responses! Smile

(Umm...I really don't like using these smilies...feels too much like I'm in 8th grade. Bet they were invented in the Netherlands!)
Offline Sander van Wijk  
#27 Posted : 16 March 2007 08:54:39(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Larry
<br />All this means is that next time you respond to Scientific Sander, you can also call him Scientific Alexander! biggrin

Thanks for all the responses! Smile

(Umm...I really don't like using these smilies...feels too much like I'm in 8th grade. Bet they were invented in the Netherlands!)



I get called Alexander a lot of times already, so basically it won't change much. But Larry, I'm gonna contradict you once again: Looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smiley gives me te idea that the Smiley is an invention the Americans are to blame for. [SMILE!]

I have to say: thanks for your inspiring topic, it adds a lot of life to this forum.
Sander
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Offline john black  
#28 Posted : 16 March 2007 13:16:47(UTC)
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We love smileys. Save tons of words ... [}:)]
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
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Offline Guus  
#29 Posted : 16 March 2007 13:18:53(UTC)
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Hi all,

IMHO there's another aspect to this question in this topic.
High speed internet access is widely spread among Dutch households.I believe only Scandinavian countries beat us in that!
So I think there are likely to be more modelrailroaders which participate in forums than modelrailroaders in other countries.
Also the Dutch tend to look for indoor activities and hobbies due to the relatively long winter evenings and rainy season.
I've once been told the Dutch are a comparatelively large customer for HiFi equipment for instance.

Just my two pennies worth of thoughts.

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
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Offline john black  
#30 Posted : 16 March 2007 13:24:45(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus
<br />Also the Dutch tend to look for indoor activities and hobbies

I must be Dutch biggrin (at least here in the cold ...)
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
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Offline Mein Schells  
#31 Posted : 16 March 2007 17:06:31(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Sander van Wijk
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Larry
<br />All this means is that next time you respond to Scientific Sander, you can also call him Scientific Alexander! biggrin

Thanks for all the responses! Smile

(Umm...I really don't like using these smilies...feels too much like I'm in 8th grade. Bet they were invented in the Netherlands!)



I get called Alexander a lot of times already, so basically it won't change much. But Larry, I'm gonna contradict you once again: Looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smiley gives me te idea that the Smiley is an invention the Americans are to blame for. [SMILE!]

I have to say: thanks for your inspiring topic, it adds a lot of life to this forum.


Yes, we Americans are not only responsible for that sickening smiley face Smile but also the 'emoticons' - in fact, their birthday is 19 Sept 1982 per Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoticons):

"Creation of :-) and :-(
The creator of the original ASCII emoticons :-) and :-(, with a specific suggestion that they be used to express emotion, was Scott Fahlman; the text of his original proposal, posted to the Carnegie Mellon University computer science general board on 19 September 1982 (11:44), was considered lost for a long time. It was however recovered twenty years later by Jeff Baird, from old backup tapes."

So, emote away and have a great day!

PS: I love the Dutch and would only buy more Marklin if they were the founders! The Dutch are the only people who tell you to go to H%@* and consider it a polite greeting...wink
Smägol whines about Samwise, "Fat hobbit always so polite..."
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#32 Posted : 16 March 2007 20:18:20(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Mein Schells
The Dutch are the only people who tell you to go to H%@* and consider it a polite greeting...wink



Not quite, the Irish are good at that too......[:0]wink
Offline Gert-Jan  
#33 Posted : 16 March 2007 20:51:36(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus
Also the Dutch tend to look for indoor activities and hobbies due to the relatively long winter evenings and rainy season.


Not sure if this is specific enough for Dutchy...
Is there a demogogic overview for the Marklin-users members?

I have equal oudside and inside hobbies.
Included 15 chicks outside, 2 Guinea pigs inside wink
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Offline DasBert33  
#34 Posted : 16 March 2007 21:24:08(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by orubias
<br />Never been in Spain, DasBrt33?



My last vacation was there actually, but not for the women wink

I'm more a blondes-loving guy actually biggrin
Offline hxmiesa  
#35 Posted : 16 March 2007 22:24:20(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DasBert33
My last vacation was there actually, but not for the women wink

For the men then? [}:)]
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Offline Troy Yang  
#36 Posted : 16 March 2007 22:50:10(UTC)
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Three U.S. presidents were Dutch descendants - the two Roosvelts and Van Buren.

Troy
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Offline xxup  
#37 Posted : 17 March 2007 01:14:33(UTC)
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Yep.. They are everywhere...
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Offline Larry  
#38 Posted : 17 March 2007 07:24:47(UTC)
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Good catch, Troy, but come to think of it, the former president from your state (California), President Ronald Reagan, was nicknamed: "DUTCH"! wink Yikkes, they are everywhere! How did such a small country produce so many Dutch?

I recently learned from Scientific Sander, while he was drinking many shots of Brandewijn, that all the Dutch people are really robots from another planet. <u><u>He described while writing (on the back of a <u>Insider Magazine</u>)using logorithmic matrix functions and string theory equations, how for centuries all the Dutch have arrived in the Netherlands via space ships shaped like windmills</u>.</u> So not to be noticed, these windmills from space only arrive during heavy rains and long winters. The breaking of dykes in Holland over the centuries were deliberate distractions by the Dutch robots to mask the arrival of millions of windmills from their planet in space. (Did you know that tulips are actually from their native planet along with Marklin HO's 42644 and 42637?)

The Dutch robots have ESU decoders implanted in their brains. These decoders are programmed to make them travel to distant lands to sell, buy and collect Marklin (and Chicks)![:I] biggrinWe're having research done at Stanford by cryptologists to find the decoder address of Scientific Sander.[:0] Eventually, he will be reprogrammed and his behavior will change radically in this forum. It will start by him writing all kinds of pseudo-scientific nonsense about Bachman, Hornby and Roco.[:(]
Offline Troy Yang  
#39 Posted : 17 March 2007 09:50:48(UTC)
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Hi Larry,

Ronald Reagan was Irish. His nickname "Dutch" was just a nickname and nothing more. Cool

Thank you for your reply, anyway.

Troy

Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Larry
<br />Good catch, Troy, but come to think of it, the former president from your state (California), President Ronald Reagan, was nicknamed: "DUTCH"! wink Yikkes, they are everywhere! How did such a small country produce so many Dutch?

I recently learned from Scientific Sander, while he was drinking many shots of Brandewijn, that all the Dutch people are really robots from another planet. <u><u>He described while writing (on the back of a <u>Insider Magazine</u>)using logorithmic matrix functions and string theory equations, how for centuries all the Dutch have arrived in the Netherlands via space ships shaped like windmills</u>.</u> So not to be noticed, these windmills from space only arrive during heavy rains and long winters. The breaking of dykes in Holland over the centuries were deliberate distractions by the Dutch robots to mask the arrival of millions of windmills from their planet in space. (Did you know that tulips are actually from their native planet along with Marklin HO's 42644 and 42637?)

The Dutch robots have ESU decoders implanted in their brains. These decoders are programmed to make them travel to distant lands to sell, buy and collect Marklin (and Chicks)![:I] biggrinWe're having research done at Stanford by cryptologists to find the decoder address of Scientific Sander.[:0] Eventually, he will be reprogrammed and his behavior will change radically in this forum. It will start by him writing all kinds of pseudo-scientific nonsense about Bachman, Hornby and Roco.[:(]
Marklin HO - all eras and everything.
Offline Davy  
#40 Posted : 18 March 2007 01:10:53(UTC)
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If Marklin is smart they will leave Germany al together and will come to the Netherlands.
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Offline Weltenbummler  
#41 Posted : 18 March 2007 08:44:09(UTC)
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Hi Davy,

do you realy think that labour costs and all other things involved are so much lower than in Germany that Kingsbridge Capital would make enough profit?
I understand your wish, but I believe it will be a long lasting dream.
As bad as it sounds, but if KC will make money, production within any country, including Germany, of the EU will be too expensive.
One can only hope that they will come back to their roots and manufacture quality for reasonable and affordable prices.
I have no preference to the wherabouts, but I hope it (quality and prices) will come true.
Regard from Karachi
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Offline Zora la rousse  
#42 Posted : 18 March 2007 12:47:00(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Mein Schells
The Dutch are the only people who tell you to go to H%@* and consider it a polite greeting...wink

Not quite, the Irish are good at that too......[:0]wink

Oeps, I am Dutch and have red hair......
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Offline Hemmerich  
#43 Posted : 19 March 2007 22:57:23(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Larry

What is not fiction is what seems (to me anyway) to be a disproportionately large number of people from a relatively small European country (Netherlands) actively collecting/running Marklin, owning shops and involved with this forum.


During the last two weekends I saw about 80% of them around me - on the highway between Stuttgart and München (easily identifyable by their yellow license plates on their heavily packed cars and always driving one after the other on the wrong lane - like Lemmings!) biggrin

(19 of the remaining 20% had red plates, i.e. Belgium; always driving too slow and blocking all lanes! [}:)][}:)][}:)])

I could almost bet on the way home their cars were even overloaded with lots of Märklin stuff!!! winkwinkwink
Offline Hemmerich  
#44 Posted : 19 March 2007 22:58:52(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Zora la rousse
Oeps, I am Dutch and have red hair......


There's nothing wrong with red hair - as long as they are "real red"! winkwinkwink
Offline alonso231gery  
#45 Posted : 19 March 2007 23:10:11(UTC)
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Is it true that Netherlands(Pays-Bas in French) will become the second Atlantis,after the melting of icebergs,because of global warming?
An outsider.
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Offline Hemmerich  
#46 Posted : 20 March 2007 00:37:47(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery
<br />Is it true that Netherlands(Pays-Bas in French) will become the second Atlantis,after the melting of icebergs,because of global warming?

Not before Greece has drawned! Cool

Reason is that they know how to build dams, even better than beavers! biggrin
Offline alonso231gery  
#47 Posted : 20 March 2007 00:49:24(UTC)
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Well i do not think so,i come from a place that its altitude is more than 1000m,Highlands are like a cliff if you compare them.Cool
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But then again,you never know what science can do.
An outsider.
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Offline john black  
#48 Posted : 20 March 2007 14:29:30(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />Netherlands - During the last two weekends I saw about 80% of them around me on the highway (easily identifyable by their yellow license plates on their heavily packed cars and always driving one after the other on the wrong lane - like Lemmings!) biggrin

(19 of the remaining 20% had red plates, i.e. Belgium; always driving too slow and blocking all lanes! [}:)][}:)][}:)])

Seems you are one fast driver having a tiny problem with our friends from BENELUX.
So your car's roof is definitely in need of some nice red & blue 1:87 strobes. Plus a little siren ... biggrin
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Offline pa-pauls  
#49 Posted : 20 March 2007 15:55:43(UTC)
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Hehehehe Lutz and John,,,

Actually here in Norway we have the same "problem" in the summer months with German's !

They come with their big camper cars at 2000 kg and a small
diesel motor of 65 horsepower and they do think they own the road,,,

Here on the north west coast we have the same problem every year,,,

Pål Paulsen
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Offline bmcrae  
#50 Posted : 20 March 2007 18:38:06(UTC)
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I have not been to the Netherlands yet but would love to make the journey to see the town where my aunt was born and raised. Hilversum. Her twin brother still lives there.
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