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Offline Bob R  
#1 Posted : 16 January 2007 21:39:51(UTC)
Bob R


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Hello Gentlemen,

I hope everyone's Christmas and New Year went well. I recently received my Passenger Car set 43929 from my friendly Marklin Dealer! I love these cars!

Now the quest for the lighting of the cars is in order. After looking through the pamphlet that came with the cars Marklin is recommending the 73400 Light Kit (2 per car) and the 73405 pickup shoe and the 72020 current conducting couplers. Well I purchased the Light Kits and the 72020 but have not received the pickup shoe yet. Trying to make an extra pickup shoe work (from leftover stuff)long or medium it does not seem to want to clear the axles. So I am just guessing that the 205229 offset shoe would be a better choice?

The light kit is kind of flimsy and does not seem to go all the length of the car. So I might be using some white SMD lights I purchased from Jorns instead.

Has anyone else put lights in this car set yet? It just seems way too much of a hassle to buy 3 different sets of stuff from Marklin to put lights in the cars. From putting in light kits into my other passenger cars, the Marklin kit for that particular set included everything. Kind of getting on the ridiculous side if you ask me.

Bob R
Offline David Dewar  
#2 Posted : 16 January 2007 21:59:26(UTC)
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Hi Bob. I got this set from Modelbahnecke in their sale for 99 euros and will put in the lights in the next week or so. I think the 73510 set will fit and I have these available and of course they come complete. This new Marklin lighting should be supplied complete in my view and when my old stuff runs out I will use HAG or Viessmann or best of all the Roco lighting kit which fits everything (if still available)

David
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Offline dntower85  
#3 Posted : 16 January 2007 23:06:29(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bob R
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The light kit is kind of flimsy and does not seem to go all the length of the car.




I don't have the one I used with me but I think it is the same part number as the one I used. If it is the light bar expands to fit the car.
DT
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Offline nevw  
#4 Posted : 17 January 2007 00:16:04(UTC)
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Some cars require 2 Light Bars.

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Offline Hemmerich  
#5 Posted : 17 January 2007 21:43:24(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bob R
<br />Hello Gentlemen,

I hope everyone's Christmas and New Year went well. I recently received my Passenger Car set 43929 from my friendly Marklin Dealer! I love these cars!


Thanks for the nice greetings and my congratulations! Yes, I love these cars as well.

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Now the quest for the lighting of the cars is in order. After looking through the pamphlet that came with the cars Marklin is recommending the 73400 Light Kit (2 per car) and the 73405 pickup shoe and the 72020 current conducting couplers. Well I purchased the Light Kits and the 72020 but have not received the pickup shoe yet. Trying to make an extra pickup shoe work (from leftover stuff)long or medium it does not seem to want to clear the axles. So I am just guessing that the 205229 offset shoe would be a better choice?


Correct; You'll need for each car two sets #73400 (which is a total of 8 for this complete car set). The other parts are dependent whether you want to equip only one or all cars with a pickup shoe.

- all cars with pickup shoe: you need 3x #73406 and 1x #73405 (for the dining car).
- only one car with pickup shoe: you need either 1x #73405 or #73406 and 3x #72020. Since the shoe of #73406 is new, you might have some shoes left over which are suitable for the dining car.

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:The light kit is kind of flimsy and does not seem to go all the length of the car. So I might be using some white SMD lights I purchased from Jorns instead.


Each set has a length of approx. 105mm; i.e. 210mm/car. This is sufficent to light all compartments, but not the toilets which have white painted screens anyways. Nevertheless, you can still easily cut a LED pcb in half and by that add another three LED's.

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Has anyone else put lights in this car set yet? It just seems way too much of a hassle to buy 3 different sets of stuff from Marklin to put lights in the cars. From putting in light kits into my other passenger cars, the Marklin kit for that particular set included everything. Kind of getting on the ridiculous side if you ask me.


Yes, I did. No problems at all except that my dealer doesn't yet have as many electric couplings as I would need - so I'm running some of my trains with the fixed electric connectors, like the Rheingold train. Sometimes more "hassle" to put this on the tracks than mounting the LED lightsbiggrin!

Very easy to xplain: the new lighting is used for different types and lengths of cars (for example as well the Langenschwalbacher, which just need 1x #73400). Thus Märklin decided to use this "kit system", similar to what we use to know from C-track switches.

From a price perspective, there is no real difference between the new parts and the older "car specific" sets. Technically, the LED lighting which has been applied here finally too surely has a big advantage.

Another one is that the "system" is designed especially for Märklin cars, opposed to most if not all other LED lighting on the market today; thus still very easy to install.

Until now the Märklin LED lights are yellow due to the era of cars which they are currently recommended (II/III)- and surely for cost reasons. I'm confident that white ones will show up sooner or later as well, especially with the forthcoming era IV cars with that scale length (see 2007 news). Whether someone wants to install yellow or white LED's into those cars is IMHO a matter of personal taste. Smile
Offline Bob R  
#6 Posted : 20 January 2007 20:45:06(UTC)
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Thank you everyone for their reply. And thank you Lutz for the time you took with a very good explanation.

I still have not decided on which light strip to use. The 73400 set (2 per car) or the smd lights I purchased a while back. Maybe I will finalize everything when I get back home from this work trip.

In the box there are 2 items. One is a plastic tree with 4 pieces that can be taken off and attached to a particular car. The manual that comes with the cars just shows a generic picture with no reference that I can see as to which car it goes to. Now all the pieces on that tree would go to only 1 car I assume? Or should their be enough of these to go to all the cars? If it goes to only one car, which one does it go to and exactly where does it go? Marklins diagrams leave a lot to be desired in my opinion. Good thing the do not write Aircraft Manuals!

The second one is what appreast to be some sort of connection pieces (boot) or so that goes between 2 cars. Once again which one do they go to? There was no picture or explanation regarding this piece. Or was it just put in the box to drive me out of my mind? It is working!

Offline soren36  
#7 Posted : 20 January 2007 22:37:11(UTC)
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Hi BobR - I also have the 43929 set and will install interior lighting. On the M*.de site the description of the set includes the following -

43929 Express Train Passenger Car Set.

"they are ready for installation of interior lighting." and "A lighting kit will be available later."

If this means a kit tailored to these beautiful wagons, I would prefer to wait. Perhaps Lutz can find out more about this reference.
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Offline Hemmerich  
#8 Posted : 22 January 2007 00:09:41(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bob R
<br />Thank you everyone for their reply. And thank you Lutz for the time you took with a very good explanation.


You're welcome!wink

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:I still have not decided on which light strip to use. The 73400 set (2 per car) or the smd lights I purchased a while back. Maybe I will finalize everything when I get back home from this work trip.


I'd simply try it out. The illumination depends on the used LED's and interior color of each car and may produce different results.

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:In the box there are 2 items. One is a plastic tree with 4 pieces that can be taken off and attached to a particular car. The manual that comes with the cars just shows a generic picture with no reference that I can see as to which car it goes to. Now all the pieces on that tree would go to only 1 car I assume? Or should their be enough of these to go to all the cars? If it goes to only one car, which one does it go to and exactly where does it go?


The set should contain three "papers" - besides a very nice TEE/F-Zug reprint of the 1964 DB train schedule two more especially dedicated to "Schürzenwagen", respective the dining car supplied with this set. The first one (#671840) discusses the new LED light and electric coupling installation, the second one (#602025) how to mount the 4 extension pieces in front of the bogies. This should only be done for larger track radius, that's why they are supplied as separate pieces. The car picture, especially the window arrangement and the car apron on the two documents should make clear that they ONLY apply to the dining car.

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:The second one is what appreast to be some sort of connection pieces (boot) or so that goes between 2 cars. Once again which one do they go to? There was no picture or explanation regarding this piece. Or was it just put in the box to drive me out of my mind? It is working!


Don't know what you exactly mean - does it look like the middle one on my pic?

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It is a bellows ("Faltenbalg") and can be mounted instead of the regular one at the end of such a "apron-car" if it is the first or last car in a train. Since the dining car of this set is supplied with a later bellows version (i.e. rubber, similar to the ones of the remaining 3 blue cars) it is not really neccessary here. If it is included in your/this set, this is IMHO a minor mistake; however, you can still use it for any other car(s) with such type of bellows.
Offline Hemmerich  
#9 Posted : 22 January 2007 00:14:12(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by soren36
<br />Hi BobR - I also have the 43929 set and will install interior lighting. On the M*.de site the description of the set includes the following -

43929 Express Train Passenger Car Set.

"they are ready for installation of interior lighting." and "A lighting kit will be available later."

If this means a kit tailored to these beautiful wagons, I would prefer to wait. Perhaps Lutz can find out more about this reference.


Hi Soren,

You can ignore that remark.

the "later available" is just the new one we're talking about here; i.e. #73400. The phrase was only included because it was not yet ready at the publication date of the car set.
Offline soren36  
#10 Posted : 22 January 2007 03:39:49(UTC)
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Thank you, Lutz. #73400 it is.
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