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intruder		#1 Posted : 18 December 2006 23:26:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Hi all I just bought myself a nice little SBB Ee 3/3 (a micro croc?) I have a question that some of you might know the answer to: What is the front of this loco? When, according to my CS, it drives forward, it goes to the left. No help to lift it off the track, change direction with the CS and putting it back on the track. The front lights of course changes with the driving direction. I thought the right hand end was the front, but maybe I'm wrong.
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HueyCE		#2 Posted : 19 December 2006 00:57:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,528 Location: Groton, Connecticut		Svein- I always thought the right hand side was the front as well. But then again it is shunter so I suppose it doesn't really which end is the front. Ira
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intruder		#3 Posted : 19 December 2006 01:28:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		I suppose you are right, Ira. It really doesn't matter. But When I look closer at the rear view mirror and some interior details (like a dashboard), it seems like the driving direction is correct; the left end is obviously the front. I want to install interior light[:p]
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HueyCE		#4 Posted : 19 December 2006 01:40:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,528 Location: Groton, Connecticut		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by intruder <br /> I want to install interior light[:p] That would be neat. Ira
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intruder		#5 Posted : 20 December 2006 19:22:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Does anybody have any excperience with using an ordinary M decoder for bell type motors? I have a decoder from a 60760 set, maybe I can use it in my 36330, to have the f3 output for interior light.
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Davy		#6 Posted : 20 December 2006 19:27:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by intruder <br />Hi all I just bought myself a nice little SBB Ee 3/3 (a micro croc?) I have a question that some of you might know the answer to: What is the front of this loco? When, according to my CS, it drives forward, it goes to the left. No help to lift it off the track, change direction with the CS and putting it back on the track. The front lights of course changes with the driving direction. I thought the right hand end was the front, but maybe I'm wrong. This probarly a bug in the CS. The ecos had this also. But here it is solved by a update one of many. Marklin will make only one big update.
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Hemmerich		#7 Posted : 20 December 2006 21:42:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		This is no bug at all! "Forward" direction is indicated by a special Swiss loco signal plate containing a "V" (vorwärts). It is inserted into the upper lamp holder of the loco side which is defined at THAT time being the forward direction. Next time operating in another station it could simply be plugged into the corresponding holder on the other side. Actually, you can see by this loco (operating in Chur) that the short nose side is defined as being the "forward" direction, i.e. exactly as it is working too with the cute little Märklin mini gator. If you really want, you can change the decoder default driving direction (as well as it is possible to reduce the light intensity of the lamps/LED's).
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Guus		#8 Posted : 20 December 2006 21:56:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Thanks Lutz, The things I learn here is just amazing. Kind regards Guus
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intruder		#9 Posted : 20 December 2006 22:03:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Thanks from mee, too, Lutz. That is what I "allways" said; we learn something new here every day! Just now I am replacing the decoder in it, I cannot leave the nice drivers cabin without light! I will report back later with some photos.
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intruder		#10 Posted : 21 December 2006 00:57:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		I'm back Some good news: the installation of the 60760 decoder went perfect. The locomotive runs good, and the interior light is switchable with f3. I have used the M interior light no. 519007. Inside the loco with the new decoder in place. I have changed all the wires to those with the Märklin colour code. The original had other colours. The old decoder is on the table. The new PCB soldered and fixed. You can just see the light in the drivers cabin. Some bad news: during testing I was obviously very careless and managed to short circuit the two open wires. The 60760 decoder has no short proof output on f3, so now the interior light is on all the time. Neither is it programmable any more[xx(][:I] I'm happy that the 60760 was not so expencive.
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HueyCE		#11 Posted : 21 December 2006 01:22:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,528 Location: Groton, Connecticut		Too bad about the short, but it looks like everything else went well. Ira
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john black		#12 Posted : 21 December 2006 01:51:45(UTC) Retweet
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DasBert33		#13 Posted : 21 December 2006 10:17:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,245		Svein, I'm not following why you would like to replace the original decoder with a 60760. Probably the original one is 10 times better, especially with the non-standard 3 pole moter that is in your Ee3/3. I am guessing that the 'old' decoder also has capability of extra functions, it might even be a modified esu lokpilot, given that it has different color wiring as you say (probably according to dcc standards). I have 5 60760's. They work but that's about all you can say about them. Compared to my newer esu lokpilots they are really crappy. Especially the 14 speedsteps are bad. Bert
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Transfesa		#14 Posted : 21 December 2006 12:44:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 140 Location: Madrid, Madrid		Hi all, Usually we think about the front and rear end of some locomotives only from an esthetic point of view. But we tend to forget that in real railways functionality is by far more important. It's true that shunter locomotives really don't have a front end or a rear end, because they're constantly pulling and pushing wagons with both ends. But when they have to make some longer trips they are usually driven in the direction that offers a better visibility for the driver. This is the reason why a lot of locomotives with only one not centered cabin are driven towards the side that is shorter: because the shorter "nose" offers a better visibility to the driver Perhaps in faster locomotives it's more important to save in aerodynamics setting the long nose to the front, but with small shunters and freight locomotives this is not the case Kind regards.
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intruder		#15 Posted : 21 December 2006 17:52:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Bert, I used the 60760 decoder for two reasons: 1. I had it in stock from the last of my four 60760 sets. 2. It is very slim, so it is space for it under the rear (?) hood. If I can find another slim decoder, it is no problem for me to use it. I have to get another anyhow, as I fried the decoder yesterday[:(] Julio, thanks for the interesting information.
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intruder		#16 Posted : 22 December 2006 01:08:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		If someone knows anything about this decoder? It's the undressed original 36330 decoder. Can anybody tell me if there are some extra output on this one? I have tested the soldering pad between the blue and the white wire. No function related to the orange plus. The wire colours: M colour = ESU colour = item green = orange = motor output red = red = B from pick-up shoe yellow = yellow = rear light function orange = blue = function common positive grey = white = front light function brown = black = O from loco chassis blue = grey = motor output
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Hemmerich		#17 Posted : 22 December 2006 02:43:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Standard ESU LoPi (actually V2.0 in an advanced OEM version for Märklin). AUX1 (green) pad is between blue and white, AUX2 (violet) pad the next one above orange. The two outputs have been disabled by their factory setting (that's why you don't measure anything). For the interior light you really didn't have to replace this decoder with a 60760.
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Bart		#18 Posted : 22 December 2006 02:56:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/05/2002(UTC) Posts: 670		Hi Svein, It looks like a Lokpilot v2-based decoder. The LP v2 wiring is here: AFAIK, in the standard mapping, Aux1 is F2, and Aux2 is F1. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: I have tested the soldering pad between the blue and the white wire. No function related to the orange plus. Please note: the plus is blue in your picture, not orange, as your decoder has Esu/NEM wiring colors. I assume you meant that one when measuring. As these Mä decoders have been modified from the original LP v2, (e.g., DCC mode has been disabled), it may well be that the F outputs have been disabled as well. It has been reported that these decoders are not programmable with the ESU Lokprogrammer. I have no personal experience with these decoders - just quoting my notes from earlier threads.[:I]
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Bart		#19 Posted : 22 December 2006 03:00:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/05/2002(UTC) Posts: 670		Oops, posting simultaneously with Lutz - you're the faster typist. Fortunately we agree
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Hemmerich		#20 Posted : 22 December 2006 15:50:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bart it may well be that the F outputs have been disabled as well. It has been reported that these decoders are not programmable with the ESU Lokprogrammer. Hi Bart, as I wrote the factory setting is such that the F outputs are disabled. I know this for sure since I've the complete CV settings of this decoder. Simply read out via the ESU LokProgrammer - likewise easy I've modified them - which should clarify as well your second statement. BTW: The color schemes in your pic only relates to Märklin decoders that are sold as separate products/parts. The color schemes of this ESU decoder follows the NEM guideline. Here's a table which shows the corresponding mapping:
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laalves		#21 Posted : 22 December 2006 16:55:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Lutz, along the same lines, you didn't reply to my topic about the possibility of overwriting the sound image of a Märklin factory installed Loksoundmfx.... Did you really do this? How did you manage that? Regarding the Märklin Lopi above, were you also able to reactivate AUX1 and AUX2? Luís
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intruder		#22 Posted : 22 December 2006 22:00:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Hemmerich Posted - 2006/12/22 : 01:43:05 For the interior light you really didn't have to replace this decoder with a 60760. Can you please explain, Lutz?
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Hemmerich		#23 Posted : 23 December 2006 01:50:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Luis, Svein, to reduce the upper light intensity you simply need to change CV113/114 to 0 and in order to enable AUX1 and AUX2, you set CV147/150 to 4 and 153/156 to 8. NB: Luis, I also responded to your other question.
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intruder		#24 Posted : 23 December 2006 02:33:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Thank you, Lutz But that leads me to my next question: Can I do this with my CS or do I need some extra device?
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Bart		#25 Posted : 23 December 2006 09:07:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/05/2002(UTC) Posts: 670		Thanks Lutz! That souds good - means that all Lokpilot v2 CVs are accessible, as in the LP v2 manual (www.loksound.de)? Actually, I'm surprised to hear that the 36330 originally has Märklin's LP v2-based decoder (aka LoPi Light) [:0] I would have expected a still simpler PIC decoder, as in the Köf. Does it mean that the 36330 is load regulated, although that's not mentioned in the catalog? Why then have they given it a 36xxx number rather than 37xxx? Just because of the simple can motor?
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Hemmerich		#26 Posted : 24 December 2006 01:28:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by intruder <br />Thank you, Lutz But that leads me to my next question: Can I do this with my CS or do I need some extra device? Hi Svein, you can easily do this with your CS. Select "Modify Loc", then the "Special Options" i.e. Register Programming toolbox in the "Expanded Menu". You should just not forget to place your mini gator onto the programming track! See also your CS handbook section 3.3.2.
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intruder		#27 Posted : 26 December 2006 00:20:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Thanks for the info, Lutz I will try later.
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