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Offline Alsterstreek  
#1 Posted : 15 November 2025 20:44:43(UTC)
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Mesmerized by the idea, I think that the idea of combining C-Track by Märklin (and Trix) with LACK furniture by IKEA launched by forum member EB421 deserves its own topic. It all started here with his presentation of the CLACK module standard:

Originally Posted by: EB421 Go to Quoted Post
Welcome to the UK! Slightly amusing since I know so many people desperate to get out; but different people like different grass.

I'm doing modular modelling, in H0, using Marklin products! Unfortunately that's about where my usefulness to you ends. After exploring something overcomplicated with hexagons; I've ended up with my own end-to-end standard that's completely different from everybody elses'... the CLACK standard.

Three CLACK300 modules neatly arranged.

Which is literally just "IKEA LACK shelf with C-Track glued to it."

Easy to get, cheap, works with either Marklin or TRIX C-Track (I'm 2-rail), has three standard baseboards (CLACK300, CLACK1100, CLACK1900), requires no tools except something to put the track in the exact right position (I 3D printed some but they could be made by hand), and basically worthless to serious modellers. But; it's a modular system that anyone can start in for £15. The road is optional, I just have 1/87 remote control cars and thought it would be fun to have one layout that does both trains and cars.

So if you fancy joining the stupidest modular system...? Flapper

https://www.marklin-user...Modules-in-UK#post687714

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#2 Posted : 15 November 2025 20:50:57(UTC)
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Notwithstanding the pure CLACK standard norms according to EB421, alternative usage concepts are buzzing around in my head...

The 26 cm deep LACK boards by IKEA allow for double-track 45-degree curves, both with standard R1-R2 combinations and sophisticated R2-R3 combinations with easements.

C-Lack corner R1-R2.jpgC-Lack corner R2-R3-R9.jpg

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#3 Posted : 15 November 2025 21:07:53(UTC)
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As one with a liking for all things IKEA, is this the thing that you are referring to?

https://www.ikea.com/au/...ll-shelf-white-70282181/

Image captured as IKEA frequently refresh their website,

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It seems to come in different lengths.
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#4 Posted : 15 November 2025 21:51:21(UTC)
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And it comes in the oak shown, which is kind of classy...

also in White for winter scenes, Black for the Bw or coal mines (?), and Blue-Black for...well...dark waters?

Cool
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#5 Posted : 16 November 2025 00:33:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: xxup Go to Quoted Post
As one with a liking for all things IKEA, is this the thing that you are referring to?
Indeed I do. Smile

Lack shelf sizes in Germany are:
30x26 cm
59x26 cm
110x26 cm
190x26cm

Besides shelfs, there is an assortment of 45 cm high tables which could serve as bonsai supports for the fellow who does not wants to drill holes into the wall. When placed sideways, the tables are also suitable for setting up a reversing loop module. Relevant Lack table sizes in Germany are:
55x55x45 cm
90x26x45 cm
90x55x45 cm
118x78x45 cm

Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson Go to Quoted Post
also in White for winter scenes, Black for the Bw or coal mines (?), and Blue-Black for...well...dark waters?
Right on.
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#6 Posted : 16 November 2025 01:10:34(UTC)
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C-Lack Minories.jpg
This is a CLACK interpretation of the classic Minories concept by the late C. J. Freezer which was first published in 1957. The plan allows to model vibrant urban passenger (and express goods) traffic without requiring a great deal of space. Trains are hauled in by one locomotive that would then be uncoupled and remain caught until a fresh locomotive - having waited in the loco pocket - hauls away in the opposite direction. What I admire is how S-curves are avoided, thus ensuring nice swinging coach movements. More info: https://en.wikipedia.org...Minories_(model_railway)
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Online EB421  
#7 Posted : 16 November 2025 11:56:37(UTC)
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Haha, wow - this took off. Thanks for making it a thread of it's own! I'll point again to the official "standards document" over on JNSF for "standards-compliant" CLACK boards - which must be a single track that exits the board at 10mm from the edge. :P

I can't take credit for "Track on LACK" as many have done it before, including Alan Monk from the British H0 society. Only the calculations for making it modular are mine. As for why single-track-on-exit there's two reasons; it cuts the cost of a board basically in half (the point of this was to be cheap enough to just play around with) and gives a bit more space for modelling. :D

But the point is this is stupid and cheap so there's no real problem to mess around. I will challenge you to make the top track on your Minories aligns and exits 10mm from the wall-edge of your outer boards though so that the group of modules becomes 'as a whole' standards-compliant. :P

Here's a couple of my own ideas for boards - obviously as Alsterstreek has shown you can be more creative (especially when you're not trying to include the road) - this is just a few basic ones for more inspiration. CLACK1100 and CLACK1900 respectively.

CLACK1100 concept ideas - an Inglenook and a tramway

The top one is a simple 11-wagon (maximum size; there's math behind it) Inglenook that also uses the mainline as part of the puzzle space. The bottom is a silly idea for a rural tramway that had to dodge behind a modest mansion (and also give them a private halt for the use of his land). I was 3D printing a J70 steam tram body last night, in case you wonder the inspiration. ;)

CLACK1900 examples. A loading dock, a straight station and a more complex inglenook

The stand-out one here is obviously the more complex shunting yard which adds a runaround loop and a short loading dock to the 11w Inglenook from the CLACK1100. There's also the very boring straight-through station where I was exploring making something that was more a driving challenge than a railway challenge - a car park that's full of cars is tricky to navigate at 1/87 RC! And then the top one was a simple example of combining the two systems in a more integrated way by having some kind of parcel or mail dock where vans could drive all the way up to the wagons. :)

Oh - ignore the specific track pieces on this; they're old designs before I fully optimised them!

Lastly here's a CLACK1900 done a little differently -

CLACK1900 with mixed track standards

Here's a version of the shunting yard that mostly uses PECO track; in my case with a plan to use 3D printed trackbed to align the rail surface of the Code 100 with the TRIX Code 83. For the same reason if you were working in 3-rail, there's no reason you couldn't mix K or M track into your modules - just as long as both exits are properly-aligned C-Track; and you take responsibility if your module is the one in an assembly that doesn't work. ;)

Oh, and as I imply above with MINDERÅRIGA - it's perfectly valid to create a "set" of boards that are internally "not-standards-compliant" but have a compliant outer edge. ;) again, the only real "rules" for CLACK is that you have that 10mm-spaced-from-wall-edge exit C-TRACK and that there's at least one "safe" through road that's Code 83+ and R2+.
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#8 Posted : 16 November 2025 12:19:04(UTC)
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EB421 wrote: "The bottom is a silly idea for a rural tramway that had to dodge behind a modest mansion (and also give them a private halt for the use of his land). I was 3D printing a J70 steam tram body last night, in case you wonder the inspiration. ;)"


Well, alrighty then...challenge accepted! LOL

#1 Downton Abbey - not sure if there is a model kit for Highclere (a. k. a. Downton)

#2 Palace Linderhof! - Noch 66991 (late Nov 2025 est. RollEyes )

Drool

p. s. I think I forgot the "modest" bit...LOL LOL

Edited by user 17 November 2025 12:39:39(UTC)  | Reason: added p. s.

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#9 Posted : 16 November 2025 12:25:31(UTC)
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Oh I forgot to mention another advantage of the 55x55 tables - they're also functional network cabinets. ;)

So you can have a complex model town on top; and underneath mount a router, NVR, Z21 and PoE switch. ;)

Jimmy, I look forward to seeing it!

The inspiration was

#3 Hatfield House - which is too big for a standard CLACK and there is no model of (a. k. a Croft Manor!)
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#10 Posted : 16 November 2025 12:29:30(UTC)
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I suspect we think big! Hatfield/Croft LOL LOL Kindred Spirits! ThumpUp
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#11 Posted : 16 November 2025 12:32:53(UTC)
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Wait what do you MEAN Germany also has CLACK590! Why don't I get that!?

CLACK590 CL590 Price
-2.6mm £24.65
171.7mm £3.20
171.7mm £3.20
171.7mm £3.20
77.5mm £3.55
Per 300mm: £24.65

Regardless, here's an example trackset with the smallest margin I could come up with (because it always has to be slightly longer than the board, never shorter!)

Rather more expensive than the other boards on a per-length basis, but useful to have!
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#12 Posted : 16 November 2025 13:53:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: EB421 Go to Quoted Post
I will challenge you to make the top track on your Minories aligns and exits 10mm from the wall-edge of your outer boards though so that the group of modules becomes 'as a whole' standards-compliant. :P
Challenge accepted. BigGrin

CLACK1900 version with stub tracks for short trains.
C-Lack Minories4b.jpg
CLACK1900 version that can be expanded with an additional CLACK1x00 module if someone wants to run longer trains.
C-Lack Minories4a.jpg

Through track and wall edge now on the bottom, respectively.
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Online EB421  
#13 Posted : 16 November 2025 14:45:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Challenge accepted. BigGrin


And succeeded! BigGrin

I knocked this up in TRIX mode so I could see how the numbers worked out - I tweaked it slightly so that the tracks ended short of the edges (and with buffers), and put in some of the scenic elements from the Wikipedia example track plan:

CLACK1900 MINDERÅRIGA, TRIX standards-compliant version track plan.

CLACK1900 MINDERÅRIGA, TRIX standards-compliant version 3D render.

Great design! A board gap of 4.9mm is also perfectly reasonable. Smile I imagined one could easily add platform that went around the ends of the two tracks and along the front edge of the board to hint at a larger station. Or cutting some track flush with the edge of the board could also suggest the platform tracks are much longer than we can show on a single board. I think this is also the first R3+-only CLACK module track plan, which is super cool. Tongue

Amazing what you can fit on these boards when innovation is forced by constraint!

Edit: kept tweaking my version slightly...

CLACK1900 MINDERÅRIGA, TRIX standards-compliant version track plan.

I've removed two of the 70.8mm spacers in the middle - it makes the points kind of close in the middle section, but shouldn't affect real-world train movements and gives significantly more margin on the front edge for ... among other things, keeping trains away from the edge. BigGrin

This gives enough clear space to add some more serious barrier objects (like platforms, fences etc) so derailments are less scary. Tragically, it means the cheap Hornby platform no longer fits between the through-line and first short platform track. Oh nooooooooooooo. LOL
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#14 Posted : 16 November 2025 19:40:04(UTC)
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EB421 wrote: "Tragically, it means the cheap Hornby platform no longer fits between the through-line and first short platform track. Oh nooooooooooooo."


Crying Crying

On another note, I am trying to figure out how to model "Afternoon Tea" Drool on the lawn around the "mansion" LOL LOL while the trains toddle by...Love not sure how Laura might fit in there, but we shall see...
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#15 Posted : 16 November 2025 19:45:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson Go to Quoted Post


On another note, I am trying to figure out how to model "Afternoon Tea" Drool on the lawn around the "mansion" LOL LOL while the trains toddle by...Love not sure how Laura might fit in there, but we shall see...


Just don't forget my beautifully laid out garden! Carnations, Grape Hyacinths, red roses and marigolds~ Plus the water feature! Flapper
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#16 Posted : 16 November 2025 19:48:45(UTC)
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But of course, M' Lord! Love
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#17 Posted : 16 November 2025 22:11:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: EB421 Go to Quoted Post
I've removed two of the 70.8mm spacers in the middle - ...
I'm afraid that, unfortunately, without these spacers, Märklin won't work (and Trix neither, where 62071 track sections are required at the end of the turnout according to the product description under https://www.trix.de/en/p...ts/details/article/62711 & [i]https://www.trix.de/en/p.../details/article/62712). In your first track plan there was already one 62071 missing at the lower left stub track.

Originally Posted by: EB421 Go to Quoted Post
... among other things, keeping trains away from the edge.
Hey, no risk, no fun.
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#18 Posted : 16 November 2025 23:00:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
I'm afraid that, unfortunately, without these spacers, Märklin won't work


Huh; they're the only short piece I don't have, but they look normal in photos. Do they have some kind of breakaway section that allows them to fit closer?

..So it's 70.8mm or a dremel? BigGrin
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#19 Posted : 16 November 2025 23:19:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: EB421 Go to Quoted Post
..So it's 70.8mm or a dremel?
Yes, indeed.Mellow
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#20 Posted : 16 November 2025 23:21:08(UTC)
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In the meantime, please find below two feasibility studies for CLACK1100.
C-Lack 1100 4-tracks.jpgC-Lack 1100 4-tracks2.jpg
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#21 Posted : 16 November 2025 23:55:17(UTC)
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Ak wrote: "Hey, no risk, no fun."


LOL LOL LOL

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#22 Posted : 17 November 2025 12:13:49(UTC)
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I wrote above (yes. I am quoting myself...again LOL ):

"Well, alrighty then...challenge accepted! LOL

#1 Downton Abbey - not sure if there is a model kit for Highclere (a. k. a. Downton)"


Well, well, well...What to my wondering eyes should appear...I suspect this might mean that the "Pressure is On" moi...Woot

https://beta.ideas.lego.com/prod...a-46e2-a33c-8417c0529eef

Not absolutely sure if Lego© is "In Scale"...but here we are LOL
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#23 Posted : 17 November 2025 13:53:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson Go to Quoted Post


https://beta.ideas.lego.com/prod...a-46e2-a33c-8417c0529eef

Not absolutely sure if Lego© is "In Scale"...but here we are LOL


Hm. Quick lazy googling suggests about 1/40 for the height of a minifig. So if you did this On30/0e/O16.5... that lego model would definitely be completely and unambiguously to scale and NO-ONE NEEDS TO CHECK.

There's also this STL on Thingiverse; which you'd have to heavily detail (before OR after printing) but a bigger issue - how big is the thing? https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5143648

Rough guesstimate looks about 50m, or ballpark 60cm in scale - so if just modelling the front or rear, you could fit this with plenty of room on the CLACK1100 tramway?
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#24 Posted : 17 November 2025 13:56:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
In the meantime, please find below two feasibility studies for CLACK1100.
C-Lack 1100 4-tracks.jpgC-Lack 1100 4-tracks2.jpg


Some more great track plans! Just remember, if you go right to the edge on non-mainline tracks you'll have to cut the connectors off so they don't foul on another board's scenery. ;)

How would you decorate these? As some kind of freight yard? Drool
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#25 Posted : 17 November 2025 14:18:26(UTC)
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And now I'm triple-posting, shame on me. I'm having what could charitably be described as a rough autumn and this week is no exception - so the weekend's activity was very much built around feeling like I achieved something - and most of my lunch break from work today has been spent lining up the pieces.

Speaking of;

Front view of my first tile; now with platforms.

Top view of my first tile; now with platforms.

Obviously the central feature on this was re-using the old Hornby station building; and there is a lot more to do just on the building. But I decided the Hornby platform was silly; especially when modelling primarily in H0; the height was fine for the models I was running but it was about 3-times wider than I needed (it's a generous OO double-track, not a narrow H0 single-track!) so I decided to make something more appropriately scaled. These are just quick and dirty test-prints to make sure the dimensions fitted the space I had, but it works adequately to give the impression of a small rural station (or; a slice of one - real platforms would be much longer!)

The intent is to back the platforms with a rough stone wall, and have that continue along the station walls with footpaths, steps and ramps down to the road level; which will also nicely disguise the analytical straightness of all these pieces. Then there's a hard plan to make the remaining areas grassy; with a bank down from the road. The fine detail is still a bit nebulous; I'm not 100% sure if I'm looking to make this the garden from a house just off-scene (in which case; woodshed and some vegetables) or more likely just a tiny community garden of the kind often found in small towns and villages; so possibly a picnic bench surrounded by flower beds. Or even a duckpond! TBD on that one, still.

The H0 scale steam tram is just a body print from a cheap PLA printer and put on the track to give a sense of that rural feel that you wouldn't really have if it was a Class 66 or A3 or 37 or something rolling through. ;) All credit on the design to Rue D'Etropal; I will eventually get one properly printed in resin or similar!
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