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Offline ciderglider  
#1 Posted : 11 July 2025 15:49:50(UTC)
ciderglider

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I am building a layout which is an oval, about 6.5 metres in circumference. The oval will comprise two tracks, isolated from each other. There will be a feeder every 1.5 metres.. I intend to have a positive bus for each track, which will follow the tracks, together with a common return bus for both tracks, which will also follow the tracks. The common return bus will also serve point motors. The layout will be DC, not DCC.

I am thinking of using 16/0.2mm (AWG 20) for the live buses, and 24/0.2mm (AWG 18) for the common return. This is based on recommendations I have read for N and OO gauge. Are they also applicable to Z, or are they overkill? Should I user smaller gauge wire instead? The cost of using heavier wire is not great, but I like to avoid waste. But I also want to avoid voltage drop!
Offline marklinist5999  
#2 Posted : 11 July 2025 16:27:07(UTC)
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20 awg is definatly heavy enough.
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Offline Chas  
#3 Posted : 11 July 2025 16:30:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ciderglider Go to Quoted Post
I am building a layout which is an oval, about 6.5 metres in circumference. The oval will comprise two tracks, isolated from each other. There will be a feeder every 1.5 metres.. I intend to have a positive bus for each track, which will follow the tracks, together with a common return bus for both tracks, which will also follow the tracks. The common return bus will also serve point motors. The layout will be DC, not DCC.

I am thinking of using 16/0.2mm (AWG 20) for the live buses, and 24/0.2mm (AWG 18) for the common return. This is based on recommendations I have read for N and OO gauge. Are they also applicable to Z, or are they overkill? Should I user smaller gauge wire instead? The cost of using heavier wire is not great, but I like to avoid waste. But I also want to avoid voltage drop!


I am no expert in sparks the turnouts have to be separate from the main track, the grey and yellow are ac voltage the brown and red which feed the track are dc



Offline ciderglider  
#4 Posted : 11 July 2025 17:13:09(UTC)
ciderglider

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I don’t claim to be an expert either, I have been guided by https://www.brian-lamber...l_Page_1.html#trackPlan. My understanding of what he has written is that it is OK for 0V AC to share a common return with 0V DC.
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Offline Chas  
#5 Posted : 11 July 2025 19:23:33(UTC)
Chas

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I started to read it and got lost , as I indicated I create sparks! (I managed to burn out an x ). I also looked at many sites and always went back to Marklin 0296, this site, along with my bible http://www.zscale.org/ No great problem running a yellow wire along side the brown from the track, I find it easier to find connections and junctions
Take a look at what marklin sells as the correct gauge 24 I believe as I remember, go with the guys that designed it. They after all put their guarantees on it. Thicker wires = lower voltage drop, I was chuckled recently by a comment from a Scottish guy on another forum. "Every penny is a prisoner to a tight Scotsman" He got lambasted for stereotyping himself.
Personally if you are buying 4 x 10 mtrs of wire go BIG! You never know if you will change gauge and you can use excess on that Hope it helps
Chas

I don't put in droppers on inclines until I know the speed they are going up inclines . If I want them to slow if I set them off at a fixed rate, they slow them selves no need to twiddle with the knobs
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