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Offline osoraku  
#1 Posted : 29 May 2025 14:36:09(UTC)
osoraku

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Location: Setubal, Palmela
Dear All -

With the knowledge and language skills this forum's members have, we can do a real service for model railroad collectors and operators by contributing to Wikipedia articles on our favourite items - doubtless many of you already do. I've recently been beavering away on some old SBB electric locomotives due to some recent acquisitions and new Marklin product announcements.

German Wikipedia is a great resource for this type of info but citation practices differ culturally, and when articles get translated over to English they are often flagged for lacking sufficiently detailed citations. (For example, see the Ce 6/8 I article). My work has mostly been remedying this: tracking down authoritative sources of bits of information and referencing them.

In particular, for the older SBB electrics, this book is the Bible - (but sadly not free from the Gideons) so I bought a copy:

Schneeberger, Hans (1995). Die elektrischen und Dieseltriebfahrzeuge der SBB, Band I: Baujahre 1904–1955 (in German). Luzern: Minirex AG. ISBN 3-907014-07-3.

However, some more specialised books I don't have - but you might. They are:

    * Jeanmaire, Claude (1970). Die elektrischen und Diesel-Triebfahrzeuge schweizerischer Eisenbahnen, Die Lokomotiven der Schweizerischen Bundesbahnen (SBB) (in German). ISBN 3-85649-036-1.

    * Estler, Thomas; Sigrist, Heinz (2014). Die SBB-Loks Typ Sécheron, Be 4/7, Ae 3/5, Ae 3/6 III. Bäretswil: Edition Lan. ISBN 978-3-906691-70-1.

If you are Wikipedia adepts, please mine them for their information and improve the citations. Alternatively, contact me by PM if you have a copy - then in future I know who to ask to send me images of any relevant pages. That would work a treat along with Google Translate.

Osoraku

PS - Next up: that Ce 6/8 I article. The SBB Crocodiles are also poorly reported on in EN Wikipedia.

Edited by user 03 June 2025 16:16:09(UTC)  | Reason: one down...

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Offline marklinist5999  
#2 Posted : 29 May 2025 14:51:31(UTC)
marklinist5999

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Nice, and I think so long as we do our research and fact check the info. before posting it.
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Offline mike c  
#3 Posted : 31 May 2025 02:28:21(UTC)
mike c

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Location: Montreal, QC
This site (German) has some interesting info about SBB and BLS Locos: https://www.lokifahrer.ch/person-News.htm

https://www.lokifahrer.c...wahl/SBB-Lokomotiven.htm

You can also find some books here: https://shop.sbbhistoric.ch/collections/buch

https://www.editionlan.ch/eisenbahn/
e.g. https://www.editionlan.c...torische-normalspur.html

I also rely on my assorted books by Marti and Trueb, including Die Gotthardbahn, Die Loetschbergbahn, Bahnen der Voralpen, etc (Orell Fuessli) that can be found at various collectable book sites

Regards

Mike C
Offline mike c  
#4 Posted : 31 May 2025 02:30:42(UTC)
mike c

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You know what they say about Wikipedia??? If you don't believe what I'm telling you, check Wikipedia in 5 minutes. ;)

Regards

MC
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Offline marklinist5999  
#5 Posted : 31 May 2025 13:15:51(UTC)
marklinist5999

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I fact check what I read on Wikipedia by other experts articles on a subject. A little comparison and reading between the lines.
Offline osoraku  
#6 Posted : 02 June 2025 16:41:03(UTC)
osoraku

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Location: Setubal, Palmela
Dear All -

Apropos of the above, a specific query, in search of a definitive reference:-

In your personal collections, do any of you have a PDF copy of the 1933/1934 Marklin catalog that you could send to me by PM (or a link that I could otherwise download it from)? It is allegedly the origin of the term, "crocodile" for locomotives of the, say, SBB Ce 6/8 II class and their ilk.

Osoraku
Offline Alsterstreek  
#7 Posted : 02 June 2025 23:38:29(UTC)
Alsterstreek

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Originally Posted by: osoraku Go to Quoted Post
In your personal collections, do any of you have a PDF copy of the 1933/1934 Marklin catalog that you could send to me by PM (or a link that I could otherwise download it from)? It is allegedly the origin of the term, "crocodile" for locomotives of the, say, SBB Ce 6/8 II class and their ilk.


https://dermodellbahnblo...in-katalog-d10-1933.html

Note: The blogger offering the download asks for a donation via PayPal.
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