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mvd71		#1 Posted : 19 March 2025 09:04:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,916 Location: Auckland,		A thread was started about Tariffs with the intention of providing useful information to people. Unfortunately I made a posted with a flippant remark in it that was political in nature (although not meant to be taken too seriously). My post resulted in the thread being locked rather rapidly, thus preventing the sharing of useful information. As such, I would like to apologise to Mike C (who started the thread) and to all other users who may have found the thread potentially useful. Regards, Mike
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marklinist5999		#2 Posted : 19 March 2025 10:22:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,865 Location: Michigan, Troy		We get it Mike. Best regards, Mike 😁 As you can read in the 2025 delivery PDF dates thread.
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GlennM		#3 Posted : 20 March 2025 02:10:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 2,967 Location: Somewhere, But Nowhere Near Manchester, England		I read online that USPS has stopped accepting parcels being shipped from China and HK until there is a plan in place to collect the tariffs due and so i would expect something similar to come into place once the tariffs for Europe and Canada have been fixed and are defined. If this is the case I would assume that this would affect business shipments as well as personal shipments. If this was the case I think this would be detrimental to a lot of businesses.
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mike c		#4 Posted : 20 March 2025 04:15:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,216 Location: Montreal, QC		We all have our opinions about the current political situation, but I was trying to focus on the economic aspect and how it affects our shared hobby. As far as Glenn's comment about USPS, they resumed accepting shipments from China on 05/02/25, including so-called "low value" shipments. These shipments with a stated value under $800 were previously exempt from federal tax and duty The Reuters' article on this issue mentioned that CBP at JFK (New York) was putting a hold on inbound shipments from China. This has not been confirmed. As we approach April 2, the next threatened tariffs against Canada will come to the fore again. What the USA will do with tariffs as far as the EU remains to be seen. I will try to update as the situation unfolds, but ask that responses be limited to discussing the impact on model RR and not on personal political views. Regards Mike C
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rbw993		#5 Posted : 20 March 2025 13:56:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,041		I just received a shipment of 3 cars from MoBaBro.de yesterday. They were ordered on March 9th. There were no issues passing through customs in NY. Value was about $180.00. Roger
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marklinist5999		#6 Posted : 20 March 2025 16:59:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,865 Location: Michigan, Troy		We will see what happens after April 2nd. That is when the expanded and full tariff's on anything imported to the US commences. I just read that the UK has postponed tarrif's on booze, etc. Can anyone confirm this is true?
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marklinist5999		#7 Posted : 27 March 2025 14:31:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,865 Location: Michigan, Troy		Walther's sent another Email stating that all back and preorders will not increase in price. I hope too for other dealers.
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obb_taurus		#8 Posted : 04 April 2025 04:47:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/05/2006(UTC) Posts: 128 Location: ,		Hi Everyone, Since the tariffs have now been announced for the EU, does anyone know if they will be applied to model trains? I'm waiting for my 39276 to arrive at my dealer here in Canada but he said it could be hit with tariffs. I'm really hoping since the 39276 made it to Marklin USA before the tariffs were imposed on the EU, it won't be subject to any tariffs, but everything is so chaotic, who knows what will happen and I certainly don't want to pay an extra 25% for the locomotive, I really like it but I'm not sure it's worth that much extra to me. Thanks Mike
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xxup		#9 Posted : 04 April 2025 05:29:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,578 Location: Australia		It would seem to make sense for Canadian dealers to buy their stuff directly from Marklin rather than through Marklin USA.
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obb_taurus		#10 Posted : 04 April 2025 05:45:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/05/2006(UTC) Posts: 128 Location: ,		As I understand it, once upon a time thats how it was but then something changed and all Canadian dealers were supplied by Marklin USA..
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Kiko		#11 Posted : 04 April 2025 05:53:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/02/2017(UTC) Posts: 159 Location: Ottawa, ON		Originally Posted by: obb_taurus As I understand it, once upon a time thats how it was but then something changed and all Canadian dealers were supplied by Marklin USA.. You are probably correct in general, but I know of at least two dealers that purchase directly from Germany (one is on the West Coast and one in Toronto). I know that the one in Toronto does purchase some items from Marklin USA, but he does place orders directly with Marklin DE as well. Cheers, Andry
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marklinist5999		#12 Posted : 04 April 2025 14:13:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,865 Location: Michigan, Troy		Yesterday, 4 senate republicans voted wirth our Dem's. to block Canadian tarrifs. The vote was 43 to 37.
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obb_taurus		#13 Posted : 04 April 2025 16:13:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/05/2006(UTC) Posts: 128 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: Kiko You are probably correct in general, but I know of at least two dealers that purchase directly from Germany (one is on the West Coast and one in Toronto). I know that the one in Toronto does purchase some items from Marklin USA, but he does place orders directly with Marklin DE as well. Cheers, Andry Thanks for the info Andry. I wasn't aware that dealers in Canada were still permitted to order directly from Germany (I did hear rumors about one though). Guess that would explain why Westend Trains got the Northlander last year in August and mine didn't show up until just after Christmas. I also buy from the dealer in Calgary from time to time cause he's quite often cheaper than the others and he's 3 hours away from me so shipping is much cheaper. He mentioned to me that one dealer in BC ordered directly from Marklin in Germany, I know it's not Euro Rail Hobbies, cause that's who I buy from so it has to be InterCity hobbies. Makes me wonder, if InterCity and Westend Trains can order from Germany, why not Euro Rail Hobbies. To my knowledge, out of all of the dealers in Canada, Euro Rail has been around the longest so that strikes me as odd. It's nice to know there are a couple dealers which purchase directly from Germany, I'm considering the Desiro and knowing some dealers can get it directly will help with my decision. Thanks Mike
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obb_taurus		#14 Posted : 04 April 2025 16:21:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/05/2006(UTC) Posts: 128 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Yesterday, 4 senate republicans voted wirth our Dem's. to block Canadian tarrifs. The vote was 43 to 37. I don't think the tariffs between the USA and Canada are the issue, it's the tariffs that will be applied to goods from the EU. If tariffs are applied to shipments from Marklin Germany when they enter the USA, everyone who gets their products from Marklin USA will be affected by those tariffs.
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David Dewar		#15 Posted : 04 April 2025 16:47:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,447 Location: Scotland		Anything coming from the EU to the USA to anybody will pay I presume 20%. We dont talk politics on here but when it makes a difference to our hobby for our friends in the USA all I can say is it a shambles but thats what the USA voted for. Possibly we should close the thread in case it leaves model rail deliveries discussion.
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obb_taurus		#16 Posted : 04 April 2025 17:26:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/05/2006(UTC) Posts: 128 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: David Dewar Anything coming from the EU to the USA to anybody will pay I presume 20%. We dont talk politics on here but when it makes a difference to our hobby for our friends in the USA all I can say is it a shambles but thats what the USA voted for. Possibly we should close the thread in case it leaves model rail deliveries discussion. Personally, I have no interest in turning this into a political discussion, I’ve gained valuable information on how I can continue to purchase stuff for my hobby and not get hit with added costs due to tariffs. I think this is a very important topic for many, as long as it doesn’t stray into the realm of politics, it’s a valid discussion which should be permitted to continue. Thanks Mike
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Copenhagen		#17 Posted : 04 April 2025 17:56:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/04/2019(UTC) Posts: 492 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark		It should be possible to keep a "clean" discussion and just have the wrong kind of posts deleted without locking the thread hopefully.
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marklinist5999		#18 Posted : 04 April 2025 19:29:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,865 Location: Michigan, Troy		China will impose a 34% tarrif on everything exported to the USA on April 20. Warren Buffett said tarrifs are an act of war. He's never been bankrupt either.
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Willem99		#19 Posted : 04 April 2025 20:15:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/11/2020(UTC) Posts: 88 Location: Georgia, Ball Ground		Staying out of politics. This too shall pass and then we can go back to our normal purchases of our hobby again. To David: not everybody voted for this, lets keep it at that. Tim
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Willem99		#20 Posted : 04 April 2025 22:01:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/11/2020(UTC) Posts: 88 Location: Georgia, Ball Ground		I was looking to buy some packages of sitting people (cheap, from China) to populate the passenger cars. However, yesterday Trump signed an executive order that makes small packages subject to tariffs as well. Previously packages under $800 had no charges or taxes, and delivery used to be pretty fast. The minimum tariff is now $30, to be collected by the post office personnel, who are already overworked, so not sure how this is going to play out. So that places these purchases out of reach as well now. Passenger cars will remain empty until the situation changes. Think of it as "No peak hour traffic" Tim
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mvd71		#21 Posted : 04 April 2025 22:39:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,916 Location: Auckland,		I should imagine any dealers in Canada would be more inclined to go direct to Germany for supply, so that should hopefully avoid extra costs. And I don’t see all of this impacting anyone outside of the USA, as trade between all other countries should remain the same.
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obb_taurus		#22 Posted : 04 April 2025 22:54:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/05/2006(UTC) Posts: 128 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: mvd71 I should imagine any dealers in Canada would be more inclined to go direct to Germany for supply, so that should hopefully avoid extra costs. And I don’t see all of this impacting anyone outside of the USA, as trade between all other countries should remain the same. I had confirmation from one dealer here in Canada that should tariffs be applied to Marklin products, the will go directly to Germany. I don’t deal with this dealer too often but it makes me wonder, with my usual dealer, why he can’t go directly to Germany? Guess I’ll have to ask.
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mmervine		#23 Posted : 04 April 2025 23:02:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,893 Location: Keene, NH		Originally Posted by: Willem99 I was looking to buy some packages of sitting people (cheap, from China) to populate the passenger cars. However, yesterday Trump signed an executive order that makes small packages subject to tariffs as well. Previously packages under $800 had no charges or taxes, and delivery used to be pretty fast. The minimum tariff is now $30, to be collected by the post office personnel, who are already overworked, so not sure how this is going to play out. So that places these purchases out of reach as well now. Passenger cars will remain empty until the situation changes. Think of it as "No peak hour traffic" Tim This change goes into effect on May 2nd, so you still have some time to order.
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mike c		#24 Posted : 05 April 2025 00:28:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,216 Location: Montreal, QC		I saw a report which mentioned that it was cheaper to fly from NY to Montreal to buy an iPhone 16 than to buy it directly because there was no tariffs in Canada. I was a little shocked because the people at CBP would definitely stop and assess the tariff (duties) when crossing back to the US of A because the duties are applied to goods made in China, whether or not they are imported directly or indirectly. Regards Mike C
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mike c		#25 Posted : 05 April 2025 19:04:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,216 Location: Montreal, QC		Technically, any model trains imported to the USA will be assessed tariff duties based on the country of origin. This means that anybody ordering from a US source from outside the United States will have to pay the extra amount, as this will almost certainly be reflected in the US sale price. As far as I could determine, it does not look like they will make it easy to get a reduction like some dealers may previously have done for local sales tax on out of state/out of country orders or how dealers in Europe may offer a VAT reduction for goods exported outside the Schengen zone. I know that my instructions to my Canadian suppliers will be to source the items directly from Europe and not through any company's US logistics chain. If they are able to make orders that are large enough to minimize the shipping cost per item, it won't have a major impact, but for individual items special ordered, it could potentially add the equivalent of 40-60 Euros to the price if shipped to the dealer individually, which on a 400 EUR model would represent about 10-15%. I know that because I am ordering less, that I am less able to take advantage of combining shipping costs as my ordered items are normally released throughout the year and it is rare that I can find 3-6 items to combine into a single delivery. On a positive note, I am picking up an order from Memoba (Austria) that was shipped 9 days ago and only cost 27 EUR. I still have to pay Canadian tax on the shipment. 27 EUR is much less than the 69 CHF charged by a Swiss dealer or 50 some EUR for my last order from Germany. Regards Mike C
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ccranium		#26 Posted : 08 April 2025 20:47:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 123 Location: Seattle area		I am fully glad to be corrected, but my understanding is the US$800 De Minimus exemption is still in place for every importer to the US but it will go away on May 2 for imports from China and Hong Kong per an Executive Order on April 2. If correct, then shipments valued at US$800 or less won't have a tariff due and this will continue for all countries except China and Hong Kong after May 2. When the worldwide elimination of the De Minimus exemption was in place for a few days in February, the chaos at the USPS and Customs overwhelmed the staff and it was reinstated. Granted, even if true, this is a moving target. I just won an auction on eBay.de for less than US$800 and it's on the way, so when it arrives I'll reply again with what happens...for now it would seem that any individual package from Germany valued at US$800 or less will be tariff-free. Brian *edited after I reread it and to provide come clarity (if that's even possible these days ) Edited by user 09 April 2025 01:13:14(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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Armando		#27 Posted : 08 April 2025 21:10:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		Well, I guess that if one can afford a $500 Märklin locomotive, one can well also afford the same locomotive at $600. Not a big deal.
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marklinist5999		#28 Posted : 08 April 2025 23:45:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,865 Location: Michigan, Troy		Armando, with respect, a hundred dollars is a big deal, unless you don't have to have a budget for necessities. For many, that amount can be the difference between enough medication, food, fuel, etc.
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Armando		#29 Posted : 09 April 2025 01:04:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Armando, with respect, a hundred dollars is a big deal, unless you don't have to have a budget for necessities. For many, that amount can be the difference between enough medication, food, fuel, etc. Priorities then. Maybe Märklin will want to keep its dwindling market in the USA and absorb the full tariff brunt or half the tariffs. Since they manufacture mainly in China now, regrettably even their Insider models, they may want to offset tariffs versus their earning margins. Or not. Go figure. with 110% on Chinese-made products, I may consider henceforward bringing back from my Europe trip a locomotive or two. Conversely, we might see tariffs being dropped by the EU on all US products. And our government may follow suit. This would be the desirable scenario. As Germany's deindustrialization continues on its merry course... I have already placed my orders for this year, so I will have to bear the blow when the items start to arrive. And I will adjust accordingly for next year.
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ccranium		#30 Posted : 09 April 2025 01:26:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 123 Location: Seattle area		"The German market is responsible for approximately 61% of Märklin's revenue, with the rest of Europe being slightly above 26% and the rest of the world being 12-13%" from https://www.marklin-user...k-at-Marklin-s-economics . With the USA lumped into "the rest of the world" 12-13% I wouldn't be surprised if M stays the course and focuses on the EU markets' ~87% and the remainder of the 12-13% which isn't USA. I buy from Canada's M stores often enough, and with the exchange rate and (hopefully) the continuation of the De Minimus exemption, it's a way to avoid the tariffs the US stores will need to pass along. I'd love to see the US M stores survive this, but at the end of the day I'm price sensitive and will buy from the lowest total-cost seller.
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H0		#31 Posted : 09 April 2025 08:41:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,432 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Armando Well, I guess that if one can afford a $500 Märklin locomotive, one can well also afford the same locomotive at $600. Not a big deal. Well, I guess if one could afford a $500 locomotive in 2024, they may not be willing to spend even $300 on a locomotive in 2025 seeing that all prices including food are up 20+%. And we cannot yet see how things will develop.
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H0		#32 Posted : 09 April 2025 08:44:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,432 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: ccranium With the USA lumped into "the rest of the world" 12-13% I wouldn't be surprised if M stays the course and focuses on the EU markets' ~87% and the remainder of the 12-13% which isn't USA. In 2008, only 2% of their sales went to the USA according to data published by Mr Pluta in 2009. This number probably excludes sales to USA via German dealers and probably includes sales to Canada and other countries via the US distributor.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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kiwiAlan		#33 Posted : 09 April 2025 12:16:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,455 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Armando Since they manufacture mainly in China now, regrettably even their Insider models Well that is demonstrably not true. I have observed Insider models being manufactured in Goeppingen, and recently received some wagons that I purchased through a US dealer which came bearing "made in Hungary" stickers. Yes there is a proportion of production that is made in China, but it certainly doesn't come under the term "mainly".
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mike c		#34 Posted : 09 April 2025 15:42:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,216 Location: Montreal, QC		This came to me from a US dealer. Quote: I am sure you have heard by now, the US Government has imposed new responsive tariffs on imports that are shipped from countries where we manufacture products. For products produced in the EU, there will be an additional 20% tariff, and for products produced in China, there will be an additional 34%. Marklin, Inc is not able to cover these additional costs, so we must pass the responsive tariffs along to our customers. Thus, for all products produced in the EU, prices will increase by 20% effective April 12, 2025, and all products produced in China will increase by 34%. You will have until the end of business day on Friday April 11th to order products that we have in stock at the Märklin, Inc. warehouse at current pricing. I will have a new inventory list to you no later than tomorrow and a new price list to you before end of Friday business day. For products that have been announced but not delivered to you – those prices will increase as well. I understand this is not the normal, but these increases are so drastic that Märklin Cie in Germany will not let us absorb the costs here. For non-delivered items, we will provide you two weeks to cancel orders if you prefer. You have until Monday April 21st to cancel. If you have not cancelled by that date, we will consider it your agreement to pay the new prices. We will provide any updates as they are announced. Thank you for your understanding. Marklin Inc. Check with your US dealer for more information. You may also want to check out the current "de minimis" exemptions for import shipments to see whether your order might avoid this assessment if ordered from overseas. Currently, the "de minimis" policy allows shipments under $800 to enter the country without duty applied. The current administration declared an executive order and then postponed its application which may affect this. If Marklin Inc can arrange individual shipping from Germany, the cost of an order could be the price w/o tariffs and customers would only have to pay the dealer cost plus shipping from Germany (direct) and any tariff duties and taxes would be payable on delivery (if not covered under the de minimis rule). For a $600 order, this would be less than the 20 or 34% cited. Regards Mike C
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Bigdaddynz		#35 Posted : 10 April 2025 01:20:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,763 Location: New Zealand		Received this email from Mike at Euro Model Trains Quote: "This is not how I wanted to start this newsletter, but the shit storm caused by the tariffs necessitates quick action. As I am sure you've heard, tariffs on all imported goods are in effect; prices on EU goods increase by 20% and from China by 34%. You only have until this Friday 3pm EST to purchase in stock Marklin and TRIX products at current prices. After that new prices kick in for all products not in my stock. New pricing will affect all placed pre-orders for 2025 Marklin/TRIX models. I understand that this is not the norm, but these increases are so drastic that Märklin in Germany will not absorb the costs here. I will cancel your pre-orders if you don't find new prices agreeable; simply get in touch with me. All PIKO backorders/pre-orders have been canceled. All Roco/Fleischmann pre-orders will be cancelled, unless you get in touch with me to confirm your orders at 20% premium. Let's hope some positive action, such as exempting the Toy Industry will be taken soon. Again, you only have until this Friday 3pm EST to purchase in stock Marklin and TRIX products at current prices." Tariffs on China have since been raised to 125%. I'm not purchasing a lot these days since I got made redundant last April 2024. Still have not been able to find work - 100's of applicants for each job. Under these circumstances, Marklin would cost a lot more. I noticed that my retirement fund has gone down by $10K NZD, and our dollar went to 0.49 against the euro. Today, I hear the markets have recovered by about 10% and our dollar has gone up over 0.50 because tariffs were paused on a number of countries for 90 days. A number of countries were getting 'yippy' about things apparently. I regularly purchased some Marklin / MRR items through the US that I'd missed out on in Germany. An example of that were some Roco Holcim tank wagons Mike supplied to me. Tariffs will make that much harder as the relative US pricing against German pricing will skyrocket. Hopefully common sense starts to prevail. Mike supplied me with 2 of these wagons.
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GlennM		#36 Posted : 10 April 2025 03:58:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 2,967 Location: Somewhere, But Nowhere Near Manchester, England		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Received this email from Mike at Euro Model Trains Quote: "This is not how I wanted to start this newsletter, but the shit storm caused by the tariffs necessitates quick action. As I am sure you've heard, tariffs on all imported goods are in effect; prices on EU goods increase by 20% and from China by 34%. You only have until this Friday 3pm EST to purchase in stock Marklin and TRIX products at current prices. After that new prices kick in for all products not in my stock. New pricing will affect all placed pre-orders for 2025 Marklin/TRIX models. I understand that this is not the norm, but these increases are so drastic that Märklin in Germany will not absorb the costs here. I will cancel your pre-orders if you don't find new prices agreeable; simply get in touch with me. All PIKO backorders/pre-orders have been canceled. All Roco/Fleischmann pre-orders will be cancelled, unless you get in touch with me to confirm your orders at 20% premium. Let's hope some positive action, such as exempting the Toy Industry will be taken soon. Again, you only have until this Friday 3pm EST to purchase in stock Marklin and TRIX products at current prices." Tariffs on China have since been raised to 125%. I'm not purchasing a lot these days since I got made redundant last April 2024. Still have not been able to find work - 100's of applicants for each job. Under these circumstances, Marklin would cost a lot more. I noticed that my retirement fund has gone down by $10K NZD, and our dollar went to 0.49 against the euro. Today, I hear the markets have recovered by about 10% and our dollar has gone up over 0.50 because tariffs were paused on a number of countries for 90 days. A number of countries were getting 'yippy' about things apparently. I regularly purchased some Marklin / MRR items through the US that I'd missed out on in Germany. An example of that were some Roco Holcim tank wagons Mike supplied to me. Tariffs will make that much harder as the relative US pricing against German pricing will skyrocket. Hopefully common sense starts to prevail. Mike supplied me with 2 of these wagons. Sadly I fear Common Sense has long since left the building
		Don't look back, your not heading that way.
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mrmarklin		#37 Posted : 10 April 2025 06:07:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 936 Location: Burney, CA		Tariffs have been paused from the EU, maybe never to return. And if they do, likely nowhere near 20%. Märklin Inc. has been a little too hasty in their proclamation. I understand the need for caution, but how are they now going to handle the current pause?
		From the People's Republik of Kalifornia
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Vinedusk		#38 Posted : 10 April 2025 11:45:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/12/2023(UTC) Posts: 80		At the beginning. Marklin makes most product in China. In the short-term: RIP MRR, Most of us reading this only have a short-term... ...blaming someone won't change the outcome. It's taken Marklin 15 years to show any real turn-around from the GFC. They may recover from the current situation. But most of us customers won't. For some of us, what we have now, today, is what we'll die with. "enjoy your weekend"
		Fine, young, Tweed salseman that y'are
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David Dewar		#39 Posted : 10 April 2025 12:02:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,447 Location: Scotland		I dont buy locos now as I have enough and you cant run them all at once anyway. I do buy a coach or two each year but mainly buy building kits many of which are on sale at good prices. Our hobby now costs too much part due to the expensive of decoders. Do we really need sound from an electric or diesel loco. I have one electric loco with no sound and the general noise from the track etc is more than enough compared to one with sound. Looking at the current world situation the least of our worries should be toy trains. At 83 I am clearly retired but I do have funds which would allow me to buy locos etc anytime I want but there comes a time when frankly they are just not worth what we are asked to pay.
		Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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marklinist5999		#40 Posted : 10 April 2025 14:59:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,865 Location: Michigan, Troy		China want's to reopen trade talks as a 90 day pause is for all other nations. Such a mess!!
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kiwiAlan		#41 Posted : 10 April 2025 16:27:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,455 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Vinedusk Marklin makes most product in China. People keep saying this with no evidence. Yes they make SOME product in China, but MOST is made in Germany and Hungary. See my post #33 above in this thread.
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Armando		#42 Posted : 10 April 2025 18:26:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: Vinedusk Marklin makes most product in China. People keep saying this with no evidence. Yes they make SOME product in China, but MOST is made in Germany and Hungary. See my post #33 above in this thread. Most of the new locomotives bear the sticker "made in China", as also most of the new cars. My newly received Ae 8/14 too bears the sticker "made in China"... I'm ready to wager that this year's insider too will bear the sticker "made in China"...
		Best regards, Armando García
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mvd71		#43 Posted : 10 April 2025 20:17:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,916 Location: Auckland,		So getting back to the question in mind, what options are there available for people in North America? It sounds to me like some Canadian dealers are able to buy direct and cut out the USA operation. Is it possible to have Märklin users in Canada and USA for a group whereby shipments all go to a Canadian address for redistribution as private post?
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ccranium		#44 Posted : 10 April 2025 23:53:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 123 Location: Seattle area		Originally Posted by: mvd71 what options are there available for people in North America? Ordering from a Canadian retailer with a total shipment value under US$800 should avoid the tariffs, for now. If they ever decide the US Postal Service or Customs can handle the volume of low-dollar shipments, then the "de minimus" tariff exemption for shipments US$800 or less will go away. Hoping this helps some of us... Brian
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Vinedusk		#45 Posted : 11 April 2025 00:16:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/12/2023(UTC) Posts: 80		The tariffs to be paid by US consumers on imported items is just one issue. Since these changes were made to the US economy, as mentioned above, the resulting uncertainty has hit exchange rates and stock markets outside of the US. Those two things will decide if non-US consumers can afford to continue to buy MRR items. After the 1997 thing and the GFC, I can assure that it takes many years to rebuild the losses in superannuation accounts. Some of us will now have to choose between a better retirement or a new MRR purchase. For an Australian buying directly from Germany, thanks to exchange rate volatility alone, retail prices have just risen by 7-8%. These changes means that Reynaulds and TEE-USA will no longer get the occasional order from me. For US consumers, some stores will no longer carry Marklin or Roco; it simply will not be worth the effort and cost. The long-term effects of these changes are not predictable, but these MRR items are 'discretionary' and will be the first to be cut from any household budget. How that ripples back to companies like Marklin and Roco will be seen in next year's New Items brochure. But there's good news! The theory is that MRR product manufactured in the US should now be competitively priced.
		Fine, young, Tweed salseman that y'are
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marklinist5999		#46 Posted : 11 April 2025 00:25:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,865 Location: Michigan, Troy		Marklin will not manufacture anything in the USA. Niche market. Edited by moderator 11 April 2025 05:49:04(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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hxmiesa		#47 Posted : 11 April 2025 07:29:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,587 Location: Spain		Originally Posted by: Armando Well, I guess that if one can afford a $500 Märklin locomotive, one can well also afford the same locomotive at $600. Not a big deal. ??? It IS, if you only HAVE $500 ?!
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rbw993		#48 Posted : 19 April 2025 13:39:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,041		I just received a shipment of stuff I ordered from Modellbahnshop Lippe last week. No tariffs were charged. Roger
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mike c		#49 Posted : 19 April 2025 19:37:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,216 Location: Montreal, QC		The weird part about it is that they have announced these tariffs, but also announced cutbacks in the agencies that would be collecting them... MC
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mvd71		#50 Posted : 19 April 2025 22:15:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,916 Location: Auckland,		Originally Posted by: mike c The weird part about it is that they have announced these tariffs, but also announced cutbacks in the agencies that would be collecting them... MC Yes, there is a certain irony in that!
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