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Offline kimballthurlow  
#1 Posted : 07 March 2025 05:21:49(UTC)
kimballthurlow

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I notice in the New Items topics some discussion about the colour of pre-1938 grey used by the DRG for their electric locomotives.

So was ist Richtig?
What is right?

I have 3 DRG electric locomotives that qualify for examination of this intriguing question.
To start the ball rolling here some photographs.
1. Märklin 3187, E32
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2. Märklin 37681, E18
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3. Märklin 37196, E91 - Märklin 37681, E18 - Märklin 3187, E32 - comparison
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4. Märklin 37196, E91 with Märklin 3187, E32 comparison
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5. This last photo in comparison shows how difficult it is to use photography as evidence for colour.
The grey on 37196 looks completely different to the previous photos.
Märklin 37196, E91 with Märklin 39195 (DB green), E91 comparison
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Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
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Offline applor  
#2 Posted : 07 March 2025 06:59:09(UTC)
applor

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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
The colour used for electric locomotives from 1927 was blue-grey, RAL 7018. The E19 and E91 appear to fit that well enough. Wartime grey was RAL 7011.

The E32 grey looks kinda like the shade they used for photographs upon delivery. Being an older model, Marklin may have just gone with what they thought was right at the time.

None of the manufacturers can really agree on a common correct colour for any era. Just look at how many slight variations there are of bottle green - even from the same manufacturer!
modelling era IIIa (1951-1955) Germany
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Offline Vinedusk  
#3 Posted : 07 March 2025 08:54:55(UTC)
Vinedusk


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Another subtle point is that sometimes the promotional images of the grey E91 looks more like the E32 colour.
Let's not forget that the 3187 is also from the former 'Hobby' range.

Over the years, I've realised that manufacturers do the best that they can with the available information.

I've used AI colourisers to process DRG coach photos and they mostly come out on the 'brownish' side of the colour that we know as 'brownish-green'.

Should we now move onto interpretations of CIWL 'Teak' shades, as interpreted by MRR makers?
Some of those AIed photos suggest that the darker version is actually what the smoke-stained exteriors might look like.

At the end of the day it's 100 years ago and the records that we have have survived two world wars. Meh.

Fine, young, Tweed salseman that y'are
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#4 Posted : 07 March 2025 11:52:15(UTC)
kimballthurlow

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Posts: 6,762
Location: Brisbane, Australia
The differences in colour don’t really bother me. I would never reject buying a model because the colour was “wrong”.
I just enjoy running the trains - the colour differences makes it even more interesting.
Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
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