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Waughfair		#1 Posted : 11 February 2025 22:27:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/02/2025(UTC) Posts: 5 Location: Queensland, Mackay		Hello folks, I am trying to identify the actual article number for a grey coloured load in an El-u 061 wagon, as seen in the attached photo. Is it from a set or a special run perhaps?
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kiwiAlan		#2 Posted : 11 February 2025 23:19:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,462 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Waughfair Hello folks, I am trying to identify the actual article number for a grey coloured load in an El-u 061 wagon, as seen in the attached photo. Is it from a set or a special run perhaps? It may be from a start set, but these wagons were available with a coal load and also with a gravel load, which is what I think you have. The only difference is the colour of the load molding.


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rhfil		#3 Posted : 12 February 2025 02:39:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 676 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth		Gravel in America is a mixture of sand and stone. Not sure about Germany but that looks to regular to be gravel. Perhaps paving stones?

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ccranium		#4 Posted : 12 February 2025 06:09:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 125 Location: Seattle area		Hi Waughfair, (Welcome! what's your name?), Per Kohl's, 4431's came with the black coal load. 4430's came empty except for the version sold in the 2853 Track Construction Train set, which had a 4430 loaded with gravel; sold 1980-1984. Yours looks like it has close couplers; not sure if those are the originals or not. I hope that helps some. Brian

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marklinist5999		#5 Posted : 12 February 2025 15:14:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,877 Location: Michigan, Troy		You can use Testors brown, grey, or black stain to highlight or darken the colors. Sugar beets are brownish. I think these were used for that as well.


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Waughfair		#6 Posted : 12 February 2025 20:23:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/02/2025(UTC) Posts: 5 Location: Queensland, Mackay		Originally Posted by: ccranium Hi Waughfair, (Welcome! what's your name?), Per Kohl's, 4431's came with the black coal load. 4430's came empty except for the version sold in the 2853 Track Construction Train set, which had a 4430 loaded with gravel; sold 1980-1984. Yours looks like it has close couplers; not sure if those are the originals or not. I hope that helps some. Brian Many thanks Brian, This is exactly what I was looking for. I've got to get one of those Kohl's catalogues. My name is Stephen and I sincerely appologize for having neglected to include it in my original post. I will endevour to be better moving forward. Kind regards Stephen
		Many thanks and kind Regards Stephen Wehrle

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Waughfair		#7 Posted : 12 February 2025 20:29:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/02/2025(UTC) Posts: 5 Location: Queensland, Mackay		My thanks to all who have replied and who may do so in the future. I appreciate all your tips and advice. Kind regards Stephen
		Many thanks and kind Regards Stephen Wehrle

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mike c		#8 Posted : 12 February 2025 22:26:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,222 Location: Montreal, QC		This may help, although it only gives results up to 2005: http://www.bahn.hfkern.d...gen/Gueter_offen_s2.html Regards Mike C


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