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Offline Draje Olnos  
#1 Posted : 08 February 2025 10:31:42(UTC)
Draje Olnos

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Location: Budapest, Budapest
Hello fellow enthousiast,

I would like to restart this hobby that i had as a child with my parents.( like 10 -15 years ago)
Back then it was kinda simpler than what it seems like today.
I found 2 old boxes where i still have the tracks and trains : Marklin 29525 and Marklin 29750.

Now the 29525 is old school with the big white speedo and the other one seems to be digital, but is this the same digital that i see in f.e 29000 ?

I don't have a preference of brand, I know Marklin has very nice details from the past.
But for the area trains i want, they are hardly available on Marklin, more on ROCo, Piko and Trix.

So my main question :
Can i use my 29750 to restart and buy new trains from Roco and/or Trix on Marklin C-rails ? Or am i better to use roco rails ? Is there a big difference ?

Sorry for the perhaps million times this is asked, but there are way to many treads to see a correct answer.

Also if someone has tips for buying out of stock trainmodels/ sets in Europe, please let me know.
Offline ocram63_uk  
#2 Posted : 08 February 2025 12:48:04(UTC)
ocram63_uk

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Location: England, Suffolk
Hi Draje, the 29750 is a set from 2004
The loco is a Delta-Digital
You have the white MS that is a bit outdated and might need, if possible, to upgrade to the latest, for that model, software version. You can use it as is anyway, not a problem.
You have to decide if you want to have 3 rail tracks like the ones you have in the start set and you'll be bound to only Marklin locos, out of the factory, that have the slider underneath.
You can convert 2 rail locos, like Roco for example, so that they can use a slider and run on 3 rails.
If the selection of locomotices appeals to you more in the ones for the 2 rail tracks then, discard Marklin products and the 3 rail C tracks.
Once you have made up your mind on this we can tackle other topics. Pointless talking about digital and the lot now 😁
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Offline ocram63_uk  
#3 Posted : 08 February 2025 12:55:16(UTC)
ocram63_uk

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As an addendum the 29000 set is the latest Mobile Station, compared to the one in 29750.
The 29000 model can control switches as well, something the 29750, known as MS 1, could not.
These controllers can run trains on both 2 rail and 3 rail tracks, it is only a matter of connections to the tracks, which can always be hacked 😱
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Offline mike c  
#4 Posted : 08 February 2025 18:26:56(UTC)
mike c

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I model Swiss, but my collection includes the EN Wiener Walzer with its MAV coaches to Budapest. I run the Maerklin AC system with cars and coaches from multiple manufacturers.
My MAV (modern) coaches are from ACME and NMJ. New releases are slated for 2025-2026 (ACME)
LSM recently released a MAV Start sleeper (ex-Wagonservice) and additional limited night train sets from Naumann in Cologne.
I saw one shop in Hungary who still had the Naumann set listed as available.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline Draje Olnos  
#5 Posted : 08 February 2025 18:57:56(UTC)
Draje Olnos

Hungary   
Joined: 08/02/2025(UTC)
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Location: Budapest, Budapest
Originally Posted by: ocram63_uk Go to Quoted Post
Hi Draje, the 29750 is a set from 2004
The loco is a Delta-Digital
You have the white MS that is a bit outdated and might need, if possible, to upgrade to the latest, for that model, software version. You can use it as is anyway, not a problem.
You have to decide if you want to have 3 rail tracks like the ones you have in the start set and you'll be bound to only Marklin locos, out of the factory, that have the slider underneath.
You can convert 2 rail locos, like Roco for example, so that they can use a slider and run on 3 rails.
If the selection of locomotices appeals to you more in the ones for the 2 rail tracks then, discard Marklin products and the 3 rail C tracks.
Once you have made up your mind on this we can tackle other topics. Pointless talking about digital and the lot now 😁


Thanks.

The 297525 with the white MS i know is really old, so that i cannot use combined, separate of course as a fun side line perhaps.
The 29750 is also like you said digital, but old digital.
Back then i never did the switches and lights etc, just pure basic.
I wanna change that now :)


I am not sure about the 3 rail vs 2 rail.
I only know marklin and have marklin c-rail.
The other brands i neve heard off before i did some searching and what seems like rocoo, piko and trix have the most locomotovies and wagons from the railways that i want ( Hungarian, Belgium and Russian)
I know converting is always possible from 2rail to 3 rail, but at what cost ?
Offline Draje Olnos  
#6 Posted : 08 February 2025 19:00:34(UTC)
Draje Olnos

Hungary   
Joined: 08/02/2025(UTC)
Posts: 7
Location: Budapest, Budapest
Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
I model Swiss, but my collection includes the EN Wiener Walzer with its MAV coaches to Budapest. I run the Maerklin AC system with cars and coaches from multiple manufacturers.
My MAV (modern) coaches are from ACME and NMJ. New releases are slated for 2025-2026 (ACME)
LSM recently released a MAV Start sleeper (ex-Wagonservice) and additional limited night train sets from Naumann in Cologne.
I saw one shop in Hungary who still had the Naumann set listed as available.

Regards

Mike C


Always nice to see when others have interest in a eastern european country railway :)
The brands you speak of i never heard of, will look them up. I am guessing the run on 2 rail ?

Shops i think is okay, a whole lot in belgium, netherlands and germany who ship. ( Also catawiki auction is somethings a nice catch ( did it with modelcars 1/12 and 1/18 previously)
The issue will be, how to find 'old'models.
Offline ocram63_uk  
#7 Posted : 08 February 2025 19:18:50(UTC)
ocram63_uk

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Location: England, Suffolk
Hi Draje, the cost is 'relative'.
I converted 2 rail locos from Hornby, Rivarossi and Roco to run on my Marklin C tracks without spending much.
I used intermediate cars between the loco and the rest of the train. These cars, to make things simple, had by factory a tail light so I used current conducting couplers between the loco and the intermediate cars. A bit of rewiring on the loco side and there I had it. Some other brand coaches/cars may have issues running on C tracks but this too can be fixed, no problem 👍🏻
Offline Vinedusk  
#8 Posted : 08 February 2025 21:47:29(UTC)
Vinedusk


Joined: 30/12/2023(UTC)
Posts: 80
Quote:
So my main question :
Can i use my 29750 to restart and buy new trains from Roco and/or Trix on Marklin C-rails ? Or am i better to use roco rails ? Is there a big difference ?


I don't know if that controller will recognise 3-rail locos from other manufacturers. Consider updating to an MS2 controller if you continue with Marklin.

Roco, Brawa and other manufacturers make three-rail versions of many of their locos and have the sliders fitted at the factory. Checking the catalogues will show the model number of the three-rail versions. With locos from other makers, you'll need to change the default digital address on the decoder chip with something like ESU's Lokprogrammer. Brawa's 3-rail locos all come from the factory with address number '3'. Having two locos on the same layout with the same address will cause problems, regardless of who makes the loco.

Most of of Marklin's locos are available in 2-rail versions under the Trix brand. You can run most two-rail locos and wagons from other manufacturers on a Trix layout. You can't mix Trix C-track with Marklin C-track. 2-rail systems use one positive rail and one ground rail. 3-rail track has both rails as ground, with positive coming via the centre studs. For that reason, you can't mix Trix C-track with Marklin C-track. This also affects other things like like reverse loops and some track-triggered automated functions.









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Offline Draje Olnos  
#9 Posted : 08 February 2025 22:48:55(UTC)
Draje Olnos

Hungary   
Joined: 08/02/2025(UTC)
Posts: 7
Location: Budapest, Budapest
Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
I model Swiss, but my collection includes the EN Wiener Walzer with its MAV coaches to Budapest. I run the Maerklin AC system with cars and coaches from multiple manufacturers.
My MAV (modern) coaches are from ACME and NMJ. New releases are slated for 2025-2026 (ACME)
LSM recently released a MAV Start sleeper (ex-Wagonservice) and additional limited night train sets from Naumann in Cologne.
I saw one shop in Hungary who still had the Naumann set listed as available.

Regards

Mike C


Saw your topic, lucky it seems because i cant find it on the internet those sleepers.
Offline Draje Olnos  
#10 Posted : 08 February 2025 22:53:19(UTC)
Draje Olnos

Hungary   
Joined: 08/02/2025(UTC)
Posts: 7
Location: Budapest, Budapest
Originally Posted by: Vinedusk Go to Quoted Post
Quote:
So my main question :
Can i use my 29750 to restart and buy new trains from Roco and/or Trix on Marklin C-rails ? Or am i better to use roco rails ? Is there a big difference ?


I don't know if that controller will recognise 3-rail locos from other manufacturers. Consider updating to an MS2 controller if you continue with Marklin.

Roco, Brawa and other manufacturers make three-rail versions of many of their locos and have the sliders fitted at the factory. Checking the catalogues will show the model number of the three-rail versions. With locos from other makers, you'll need to change the default digital address on the decoder chip with something like ESU's Lokprogrammer. Brawa's 3-rail locos all come from the factory with address number '3'. Having two locos on the same layout with the same address will cause problems, regardless of who makes the loco.

Most of of Marklin's locos are available in 2-rail versions under the Trix brand. You can run most two-rail locos and wagons from other manufacturers on a Trix layout. You can't mix Trix C-track with Marklin C-track. 2-rail systems use one positive rail and one ground rail. 3-rail track has both rails as ground, with positive coming via the centre studs. For that reason, you can't mix Trix C-track with Marklin C-track. This also affects other things like like reverse loops and some track-triggered automated functions.



Well i am not bonded to marklin, but the more i look the less i need to go for marklin but go for other brands because of the choice i have for my type of models i want.
I know that if i go elsewhere, i can't use anything that i have right now.
Question then is, which tracks do i go for then and which brands are the best quailty in details after marklin ? Roco and trix seems very detailed online.



Offline Vinedusk  
#11 Posted : 09 February 2025 00:38:05(UTC)
Vinedusk


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Originally Posted by: Draje Olnos Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Vinedusk Go to Quoted Post
Quote:
So my main question :
Can i use my 29750 to restart and buy new trains from Roco and/or Trix on Marklin C-rails ? Or am i better to use roco rails ? Is there a big difference ?


I don't know if that controller will recognise 3-rail locos from other manufacturers. Consider updating to an MS2 controller if you continue with Marklin.

Roco, Brawa and other manufacturers make three-rail versions of many of their locos and have the sliders fitted at the factory. Checking the catalogues will show the model number of the three-rail versions. With locos from other makers, you'll need to change the default digital address on the decoder chip with something like ESU's Lokprogrammer. Brawa's 3-rail locos all come from the factory with address number '3'. Having two locos on the same layout with the same address will cause problems, regardless of who makes the loco.

Most of of Marklin's locos are available in 2-rail versions under the Trix brand. You can run most two-rail locos and wagons from other manufacturers on a Trix layout. You can't mix Trix C-track with Marklin C-track. 2-rail systems use one positive rail and one ground rail. 3-rail track has both rails as ground, with positive coming via the centre studs. For that reason, you can't mix Trix C-track with Marklin C-track. This also affects other things like like reverse loops and some track-triggered automated functions.



Well i am not bonded to marklin, but the more i look the less i need to go for marklin but go for other brands because of the choice i have for my type of models i want.
I know that if i go elsewhere, i can't use anything that i have right now.
Question then is, which tracks do i go for then and which brands are the best quality in details after marklin ? Roco and trix seems very detailed online.




Trix track is identical to Marklin track in terms of design and finish. Trix might be a lighter grey colour.

I've bought models from most of the main brands over the past 15 years. They are all remarkably similar in quality and finish.
Be warned that 'more detail' usually means 'more fragile'. So, it depends on what compromises you want.

REE have what I think is the highest detail.

Are these the coaches that you are looking for?

If so, the Roco Website shows that you can change the wheels to run on Marklin track, if you decide to continue down that path.

L'atelier Du Train is in France, I have used them several times and they have service similar to Modelbahnshop-Lippe and Haertle in Germany. I've had no problems with any of them.
All will ship outside the EU and their websites are setup to calculate the delivery cost based on your delivery address. Many payment options available.


edit: You'll find your Belgian models at L'Atelier also.
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Offline Draje Olnos  
#12 Posted : 09 February 2025 17:49:47(UTC)
Draje Olnos

Hungary   
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Posts: 7
Location: Budapest, Budapest


Trix track is identical to Marklin track in terms of design and finish. Trix might be a lighter grey colour.

I've bought models from most of the main brands over the past 15 years. They are all remarkably similar in quality and finish.
Be warned that 'more detail' usually means 'more fragile'. So, it depends on what compromises you want.

REE have what I think is the highest detail.

Are these the coaches that you are looking for?

If so, the Roco Website shows that you can change the wheels to run on Marklin track, if you decide to continue down that path.

L'atelier Du Train is in France, I have used them several times and they have service similar to Modelbahnshop-Lippe and Haertle in Germany. I've had no problems with any of them.
All will ship outside the EU and their websites are setup to calculate the delivery cost based on your delivery address. Many payment options available.


edit: You'll find your Belgian models at L'Atelier also.


I saw that Trix is actually from marklin but different type of rail ( 2 instead of 3 am i correct ? )

Well shops you can find everywhere in europe i think and most ship ( if not, i ship to belgium and reship it to Hungary :) )
What most shops have in stock regarding MAV, RZD and NMBS seems to be from Roco/Piko.
Marklin/Trix has nothing from RZD, only this from MAV MAV Marklin, stock mav marklin, and plenty of nmbs/SNCB, but like the MAV, they are all out of stock..
I have some tracks, like 2 startersets tracks and some more, so i am not sure if that is a lot or not..
Regarding changing the wheels, if it can be done ( via tutorial or something) i can use exsisting tracks and keep buying c-rail ( but my decoder is too old i think)
But i am guessing redecoding and doing all the rest is not just plug and play.. So perhaps i should be going for other brands and 1 kind of track that can support most brands instead ?
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Offline mike c  
#13 Posted : 09 February 2025 21:04:55(UTC)
mike c

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Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC)
Posts: 8,222
Location: Montreal, QC
Originally Posted by: Draje Olnos Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
I model Swiss, but my collection includes the EN Wiener Walzer with its MAV coaches to Budapest. I run the Maerklin AC system with cars and coaches from multiple manufacturers.
My MAV (modern) coaches are from ACME and NMJ. New releases are slated for 2025-2026 (ACME)
LSM recently released a MAV Start sleeper (ex-Wagonservice) and additional limited night train sets from Naumann in Cologne.
I saw one shop in Hungary who still had the Naumann set listed as available.

Regards

Mike C


Saw your topic, lucky it seems because i cant find it on the internet those sleepers.


Single Sleeper: https://www.naumann-onli...de/l-s-models-48214.html
https://vasutmodell.com/...3-1-halokocsi-h-start-vi

The Sets 98026-98029 with ex-DB couchette and ex-Wagonservice Sleeper seem to be sold out at Naumann

I did find one set on eBay.de with a healthy price increase: https://www.ebay.de/itm/135532279617?
https://www.kleinanzeige...-ii/2998474486-249-18697

ACME is releasing a few sets for the night trains from Budapest to Zurich/Stuttgart this year
https://www.memoba.at/ct...ial-preview-2025_pdf.pdf

Keep an eye on Huenerbein (Aachen), Memoba (Wien) and Olaerts (Belgium) for models you may be interested in

I only found this out two decades ago, an ancestor of mine was employed by the railway in Hungary in the mid 19th Century

Regards

Mike C
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Offline Draje Olnos  
#14 Posted : 09 February 2025 22:31:46(UTC)
Draje Olnos

Hungary   
Joined: 08/02/2025(UTC)
Posts: 7
Location: Budapest, Budapest
Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Draje Olnos Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
I model Swiss, but my collection includes the EN Wiener Walzer with its MAV coaches to Budapest. I run the Maerklin AC system with cars and coaches from multiple manufacturers.
My MAV (modern) coaches are from ACME and NMJ. New releases are slated for 2025-2026 (ACME)
LSM recently released a MAV Start sleeper (ex-Wagonservice) and additional limited night train sets from Naumann in Cologne.
I saw one shop in Hungary who still had the Naumann set listed as available.

Regards

Mike C


Saw your topic, lucky it seems because i cant find it on the internet those sleepers.


Single Sleeper: https://www.naumann-onli...de/l-s-models-48214.html
https://vasutmodell.com/...3-1-halokocsi-h-start-vi

The Sets 98026-98029 with ex-DB couchette and ex-Wagonservice Sleeper seem to be sold out at Naumann

I did find one set on eBay.de with a healthy price increase: https://www.ebay.de/itm/135532279617?
https://www.kleinanzeige...-ii/2998474486-249-18697

ACME is releasing a few sets for the night trains from Budapest to Zurich/Stuttgart this year
https://www.memoba.at/ct...ial-preview-2025_pdf.pdf

Keep an eye on Huenerbein (Aachen), Memoba (Wien) and Olaerts (Belgium) for models you may be interested in

I only found this out two decades ago, an ancestor of mine was employed by the railway in Hungary in the mid 19th Century

Regards

Mike C



Hi Mike,

Those are some nice sets. Also those shops are a good reference, will take a look, seems like a lot more choice in other brands than when i go with marklin. I think i made my choice there almost;
Now to figure out the tracks for the different models
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