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Offline Michael4  
#1 Posted : 30 January 2025 11:49:22(UTC)
Michael4

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I will try and explain what I would like to do:

Simple track with passing places. One controller.

Passing places controlled by contact tracks, signals and isolated sections.
One train arrives, runs over a contact track which stops it and allows the other train to run.
The trains are set to run in opposite directions.

The trains have lit carriages using pickups.
There are secondary contact tracks that turn the signal functions off once the loco has passed and before the carriage's pickup arrives. The signal function is then turned back on again by another contact track at least a full train's length away from the passing place. These contact racks are specific to the direction of either train.

Now, I want to replace the controller with a 6600.

If I connect the 6600 to the contact tracks that actuate the signals I should be able to get both trains to pause for an adjustable length of time next to each other, one on the track and the other on the passing place. The pause instruction from the 6600 will go to both trains but one will be on an isolated section.

If the above works then I should be able to get the controlled acceleration function to work too but suspect that controlled braking will not work because the loco will run onto the isolated section and stop dead.

Does this make any sense at all?
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Offline Bill L  
#2 Posted : 30 January 2025 21:57:13(UTC)
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I noticed in the title you used the word (analogue). The Marklin 6600 cannot be used with any digital decoders in locomotives. I am not sure how the delta/6080 decoders will respond to the high voltage the 6600 puts out to reverse the loks.
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Offline Michael4  
#3 Posted : 30 January 2025 23:18:17(UTC)
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Fear not, there is nothing digital on my tracks!

I only mentioned 'analogue' to encourage response from any 'analogistas' who might be viewing. I fear we may something of a dwindling breed...
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Offline Paul59  
#4 Posted : 31 January 2025 09:23:12(UTC)
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Michael, not sure that dwindling breed is the right words - more like enlightened :-)

There are a lot of people who are interested in the classic side of Marklin from the days when locos kept working and bits didn't fall off getting them out of the box.
I drifted away from digital and returned to analogue and it felt a bit like 'coming home'.

Now that digital is more 'the norm' I do think it's a shame that this site doesn't have an Analogue section. I feel that the Digital section is no longer required since that is the default situation for most people these days. I may be wrong of course.
Marklin HO using M track. Now reverted to analogue as I find it has more character and is more fun...... and I understand it!
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Offline hxmiesa  
#5 Posted : 31 January 2025 11:52:29(UTC)
hxmiesa

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Yeah, I think it makes sense.
I am an analogue runner, and I own 3 of these nice 6600 units.
In the end I will not be using any of them, but instead source a 24V reverse-pulse voltage from another place, and use my PLC control to send it to the track. This is exactly in order to be able to run digital locos too, on the sections originally planned to used with the 6600´s.

So, in short, it should be fairly easy to do what you mention. The only thing I am not certain of (=I dont remember), is if the stop-timer restarts when you switch over from one track to the other.
If you only are going to use a single 6600 unit, you WILL have to let the train "coast" over the last schaltgleis; you will loose some of the smooth braking, and you will have a higher risque that the the train could stop BEFORE reaching the schaltgleis.
It would be much better if you use 2 * 6600 units!
Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
http://hoexbroe.tripod.com
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Offline hennabm  
#6 Posted : 03 February 2025 17:17:16(UTC)
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Hi Michael

I can’t add anything technical to this thread as I am just coming to understand my only 6600.

I too am fully analog and always have. The noise, the smell and the joy of using items some 30, 40, 50 and 60+ years old which just keep on going!

Looking forward to seeing how you get on with your idea.

Regards
Mike
1957 - 1985 era
What's digital?
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Offline BenP  
#7 Posted : 04 February 2025 00:11:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hennabm Go to Quoted Post
Hi Michael

I can’t add anything technical to this thread as I am just coming to understand my only 6600.

I too am fully analog and always have. The noise, the smell and the joy of using items some 30, 40, 50 and 60+ years old which just keep on going!

Looking forward to seeing how you get on with your idea.

Regards
Mike


I tried to get hold of 6600 for a shuttle track, but no luck. So i went digital instead, though never abandoned the old m track and 1960+ rolling stock. Just upgraded the insides. A hybrid solution.
Digital M track layout with vintage rolling stock and accessories controlled by CS3+Rocrail; small Z scale layout.
https://youtube.com/play...0kgVYbh0CeDTF-bYXoD_2-V9
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Offline Michael4  
#8 Posted : 04 February 2025 11:03:01(UTC)
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Quick update.

I have one 6600 controlling a single upper track. Train is shuttling backwards and forwards and is pausing as directed. Four contact tracks are used but no signals, 7045s or isolated sections. This is simple and reliable.

My attempts to achieve what I set out in the first post for the second track are not going so well.

I have installed another 6600 which I have tested off track. It functions normally as a speed controller but when I turn on any of 6600s functions the loco either stops dead or drops to a very low speed making those noises that I associate with PWM being employed. This is obviously not right. My idea was to connect the 6600 to one of the contact tracks that activates a signal and subsequently gets turned off and on as the carriages sliders pass over it. I am trying to be carful, I fried a 6600 in the past and they are not exactly plentiful.

(I assume that 6600 and for that matter 6699 employ PWM???)

The track in question has eight contact tracks, four signals, two 7045 and a couple of isolated sections.

My first thought is that I have a short somewhere but, since the loco runs without the 6600 functions activated, this is surely not the case. Something is upsetting the unit...

I may be entering a rabbit hole here!
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Offline Michael4  
#9 Posted : 05 February 2025 17:00:07(UTC)
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Progress

If 6600 is connected to the track using its own contact track with nothing else connected then it is happy and functions. It is worth remembering that it is activated by a -ve contact.

Now I need to think my way through the order in which things should work.

The main track and the passing place each will have:

a) Contact track for signal, points, isolated section, release of other loco
b) Contact track to disconnect a) contact track while the carriages pickups go over it
c) Contract track for 6600 pause and acceleration/deceleration function
d) Contact track to turn a) back on again

and an isolated section

I will ponder awhile.





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Offline hxmiesa  
#10 Posted : 06 February 2025 16:35:26(UTC)
hxmiesa

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Originally Posted by: Michael4 Go to Quoted Post

If 6600 is connected to the track using its own contact track with nothing else connected then it is happy and functions. It is worth remembering that it is activated by a -ve contact.
Now I need to think my way through the order in which things should work.
The main track and the passing place each will have:
a) Contact track for signal, points, isolated section, release of other loco
b) Contact track to disconnect a) contact track while the carriages pickups go over it
c) Contract track for 6600 pause and acceleration/deceleration function
d) Contact track to turn a) back on again
and an isolated section
I will ponder awhile.

It is difficult to imagine EXACTLY what and how you want it, without a schematic drawing.
But I have been waiting for a good opportunity to mention a detail in the 6600´s functionality; Sometimes, instead of the momentaneous pulse-signal on its braking+waiting input, you can actually use a permanent input either from an UFS or from a contact-track (I´m referring to the tracks where one rail is isolated, and the signal is given as long as a wheel-set bridges the contact); This causes the 6600 to do the braking, and then KEEP waiting for as long as the input is on. I seem to remember (not 100% sure though) that the waiting-timer will start once you remove the input signal. Maybe you can use this alternative functionalty too...
Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
http://hoexbroe.tripod.com
Offline Michael4  
#11 Posted : 06 February 2025 17:27:30(UTC)
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I've not managed to work out how to draw what I want to do. Some might say I have not worked out what I want to do!

It is quite simple. Imagine an oval track with a passing place or siding. It is simple to set this up so that two trains run in opposite directions and pass one another at the siding using contact tracks, signals and isolated sections.

All I want to do is to add a pause (6600) when both trains are alongside each other as if passengers were getting off one and onto another. Controlled braking and acceleration would be a bonus but not essential.

So...

Train 1) is waiting in a siding.

Train 2) comes along next to it, stops and waits for period of time (controlled by 6600)

Train 1) departs

Train 1) goes round the track, comes back to its siding and waits

Train 2 departs

etc etc etc

Thanks for the tip regarding the 'alternative functionality', I'll give it a try.

I should add that the whole thing is made more complicated because the carriages on each train are illuminated and have pick ups. The track is currently set up to turn the signal system off after the loco has passed allowing the rest of the train to pass and then turn it back on later.
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