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Offline Ivan  
#1 Posted : 26 December 2024 11:19:06(UTC)
Ivan

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The idea is to install small speaker inside the church on a layout. Being totally ignorant in technical issues, I need help:
1. There are very small and cheap audio players that will be connected to the speaker. Bells are recorded and saved in the computer file. Therefore, the audio file should be saved in audio player for reproduction on the speaker.
2. I suppose not every speaker can be connected to every audio player. How to choose the adequate speaker (Ohm, Watt ? ) compatible to the player and how to connect it ? Small audio players are mostly meant to be used with headphones, but output power is not strong enough for the speaker to produce audible sound; that much I can tell.
Thanks for suggestions. Happy New Year.


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Offline kiwiAlan  
#2 Posted : 26 December 2024 13:42:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ivan Go to Quoted Post
The idea is to install small speaker inside the church on a layout. Being totally ignorant in technical issues, I need help:
1. There are very small and cheap audio players that will be connected to the speaker. Bells are recorded and saved in the computer file. Therefore, the audio file should be saved in audio player for reproduction on the speaker.
2. I suppose not every speaker can be connected to every audio player. How to choose the adequate speaker (Ohm, Watt ? ) compatible to the player and how to connect it ? Small audio players are mostly meant to be used with headphones, but output power is not strong enough for the speaker to produce audible sound; that much I can tell.
Thanks for suggestions. Happy New Year.


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Noch have a sound module with church bells. I would suggest just using one of those rather than attempting to roll your own.

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Offline Ivan  
#3 Posted : 26 December 2024 14:41:56(UTC)
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Noch have a sound module with church bells. I would suggest just using one of those rather than attempting to roll your own.


Thanks !



Noch 12860 Soundmodul: In der Kirche
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Offline jerdenberg  
#4 Posted : 27 December 2024 08:47:06(UTC)
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With an Arduino Nano clone, a miniMP3 player, a speaker salvaged from an old computer and bell sounds downloaded from internet I made exactly what you describe, but work on the church to put it in is still in progress. If there is interest, I could post more info …

Jeroen
Figomima division, UP; mostly figment of my imagination yet.
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Offline Ivan  
#5 Posted : 27 December 2024 09:31:11(UTC)
Ivan

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Originally Posted by: jerdenberg Go to Quoted Post
With an Arduino Nano clone, a miniMP3 player, a speaker salvaged from an old computer and bell sounds downloaded from internet I made exactly what you describe, but work on the church to put it in is still in progress. If there is interest, I could post more info …

Jeroen


My recording of bells sounds much better than Noch module, so if you could post details of the equipment you used i.e. exact specifications (brand name, technical details etc.), that would be much appreciated. For example, Arduino Nano clone is completely unknown to me.
Thank you
Offline JohnjeanB  
#6 Posted : 27 December 2024 11:23:42(UTC)
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Hi Ivan
There are tiny and inexpensive sound modules with a push button to record (usually around 5 €
Here is one example
https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1...3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A

As to sound bells you may find a lot of samples depending if this is a chapel or a basilica
Cloches.wav (2,732kb) downloaded 20 time(s).
As to the editing, I use a free sound editor Audacity

As a Rocrail fan, I use sounds that are triggered by trains or certain situations (e.g.: coal loading from a bunker in a steam depot

Cheers
Jean
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Offline Ivan  
#7 Posted : 27 December 2024 12:24:56(UTC)
Ivan

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Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Go to Quoted Post
Hi Ivan
There are tiny and inexpensive sound modules with a push button to record (usually around 5 €
Here is one example
https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1...3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A

As to sound bells you may find a lot of samples depending if this is a chapel or a basilica
Cloches.wav (2,732kb) downloaded 20 time(s).
As to the editing, I use a free sound editor Audacity

As a Rocrail fan, I use sounds that are triggered by trains or certain situations (e.g.: coal loading from a bunker in a steam depot

Cheers
Jean


Merci !
Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#8 Posted : 27 December 2024 15:20:21(UTC)
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Caveat: I am an "Analoguista" LOL so I go with the easy side of life and use:

https://i.ebayimg.com/im...OSwylpfuo6P/s-l1600.webp

Granted, that plug is somewhat different, but adapters should be available? Just a thought...Cool
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There is a Prototype For Everything
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Offline Ivan  
#9 Posted : 27 December 2024 17:04:51(UTC)
Ivan

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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson Go to Quoted Post
Caveat: I am an "Analoguista" LOL so I go with the easy side of life and use:

https://i.ebayimg.com/im...OSwylpfuo6P/s-l1600.webp

Granted, that plug is somewhat different, but adapters should be available? Just a thought...Cool


That`s time capsule, like many Faller and Noch gadgets from the past. I actually do use them (e.g. Kontaktgeber, Motors, etc.).
In this case, I need a small cassette tape player activated at 230 V (Europe).
I thank you all for your kind attention and suggestions.
Happy New Year.

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Offline jerdenberg  
#10 Posted : 31 December 2024 12:02:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ivan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: jerdenberg Go to Quoted Post
Arduino Nano clone, a miniMP3 player, a speaker …


My recording of bells sounds much better than Noch module, so if you could post details of the equipment you used i.e. exact specifications (brand name, technical details etc.), that would be much appreciated. For example, Arduino Nano clone is completely unknown to me.
Thank you


Sorry for not responding to your post until now. Very busy with other things, and I want to post a meaningful reply, which takes time I'll only have sometime this week.

Jeroen

Figomima division, UP; mostly figment of my imagination yet.
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Offline jerdenberg  
#11 Posted : 08 January 2025 17:18:05(UTC)
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After a delay due to a temporary health issue I can now post something more meaningful.

First, a sample of the present state of my church bell (or rather clock) project on a breadboard; in this test set-up, I let the tower clock ring the hours as well as the half hours in between, but to avoid long waits between the first few hours strikes in the test I programmed a fixed pause between strike sequences instead of starting the strikes at fixed intervals. The video contains the half-hour strike (which is identical to the one-o-clock strike) and the strikes of 7 and 8. The difference in sound volume between the half-hour strike and the others is due to editing and will be remedied later. The set-up can be fit nicely on a fairly standard small breadboard of about 5×8cm.



The set-up on the breadboard consists, from left to right in the video, of
[1] An Arduino Nano clone for controlling
[2] A DFPlayer Mini MP3 player with a 256MB microSD card containing the sounds, connected to
[3] A speaker with decoupling capacitor.

Arduino, as per the Arduino website, "is an open-source electronics platform based on easy-to-use hardware and software. It's intended for anyone making interactive projects."
The Arduino Nano is a small board that fits nicely on a breadboard; it provides various input and output methods and there is a huge number of extension modules. Its popularity means that clones, using a functionally equivalent communication chip (albeit with a different driver), are mass available for a few euros from sites like AliExpress or Banggood. When connected to a computer (from which it can be programmed) it can use the power provided by the USB connection; when operating stand-alone it needs either a 5V regulated power supply or an unregulated power supply of a somewhat higher voltage (where the acceptable voltage range varies between suppliers, probably due to the use of different voltage regulators). The programming language is quite comparable to C++.
You can find various descriptions of the use of this or similar boards for model railroad projects on this and other forums. Before my ongoing tower clock project I used these boards for controlling the lights in different rooms of toy houses according to time of day, with commands like
lightswitch(kitchen, on, "sasu", "17:30")
which switches on the lamp in the kitchen on 17:30 saturdays and sundays
[the quotation marks can be avoided for the time points by writing them as, e.g. 0030, 1730, etc. and treating them as integers, but that solution feels worse than the problem of having to use quotes; for the day abbreviations the only "solution" I can think of is to declare all possible combinations (1 for all seven days, 6+5+4+3+2+1 for 2 days, 5+4+3+2+1 + 4+3+2+1 + 3+2+1 +2+1 for 3 days, etc.) which would be using a sledgehammer to crack a nut].

Not listed above, but visible in the video and necessary for voltage levelling are two 1k resistors in the communication lines between Arduino (controller, 5V signal) and DFPlayer (controlled, 3.3V input).

The DFPlayer Mini MP3 player, as found on AliExpress et al., is a small, breadboard-friendly board that can play MP3 files from a microSD card. It can be controlled via serial communication, or manually with an arrangement of buttons. Power supply voltage is 5V (external or, like in my set-up, from the 5V pin of the Arduino). I came across it via a post on the Particle forum. The decoupling capacitor between DFplayer and speaker was suggested by the starter of that thread. In the video above the speaker is an 8 Ohm 0.25W speaker from a long gone computer case. With the right casing (or even with the film box in the video), this produces enough sound for model purposes.

Jeroen

Edited by user 09 January 2025 16:43:38(UTC)  | Reason: Update

Figomima division, UP; mostly figment of my imagination yet.
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Offline GlennM  
#12 Posted : 10 January 2025 03:22:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jerdenberg Go to Quoted Post
After a delay due to a temporary health issue I can now post something more meaningful.



Jeroen


I hope you are feeling better and on the road to full health.

I just wanted to say I think this is an excellent solution ThumpUp ThumpUp

Don't look back, your not heading that way.
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Offline mike c  
#13 Posted : 10 January 2025 06:51:05(UTC)
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My recommendation would be to take a first generation ESU Loksound from one of your locomotives, replace it with a more recent model with more sound options and take the old one and add some church sounds (Bells, singing or priest) or whatever you want and install that on it and then put that decoder and speaker in the church. You could probably also use the same decoder to control lights in the altar, nave and sanctuary at the same time.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline jerdenberg  
#14 Posted : 10 January 2025 09:22:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
My recommendation would be to take a first generation ESU Loksound from one of your locomotives, replace it with a more recent model with more sound options and take the old one and add some church sounds (Bells, singing or priest) or whatever you want and install that on it and then put that decoder and speaker in the church. You could probably also use the same decoder to control lights in the altar, nave and sanctuary at the same time.

Regards

Mike C


When using a decoder, one would then program all sound effects as time-dependent events in whatever controls the layout?

Jeroen
Figomima division, UP; mostly figment of my imagination yet.
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