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Goofy		#1 Posted : 15 November 2024 08:21:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		I did read in the Facebook somebody do have problem by use Ecos and CS3 on the same track layout via sniffer. I told the person that it´s bad idea because of the digital interference. I only use one digital system on the layout so why waste of the time with sniffer and you get problem anyway? Is there somebody here who tried this way too?
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H0		#2 Posted : 15 November 2024 10:17:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,432 Location: DE-NW		I connected my CS2 60215 to the sniffer port of the ECoS 60212 and it worked well. The CS2 showed some Märklin oddities - the speed steps reported by the ECoS were sometimes different from the display on the CS2. But that's just another CS2 bug. Originally Posted by: Goofy I told the person that it´s bad idea because of the digital interference. I don't see what digital interference should occur. Can you explain?
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Goofy		#3 Posted : 15 November 2024 13:28:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		Digital interference is a form of distortion of a signal in which one symbol interferes with subsequent symbols. This is an unwanted phenomenon as the previous symbols have a similar effect as noise, thus making the communication less reliable. By the way...why did you used the word bug? I thought you hated it?
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H0		#4 Posted : 15 November 2024 14:07:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,432 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Goofy Digital interference is a form of distortion of a signal in which one symbol interferes with subsequent symbols. This is an unwanted phenomenon as the previous symbols have a similar effect as noise, thus making the communication less reliable. The CS is connected to the sniffer port only. I did not notice any interference issues and I do not expect interference between the CS 2/3 and the track signal from the ECoS. Originally Posted by: Goofy By the way...why did you used the word bug? I thought you hated it? I don't hate the word "bug". I don't hate the CS2 either. But the speed step shown on the CS2 does not always match the speed step sent to the loco. This is a bug. Probably caused by using different rounding methods at different parts of the code.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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Goofy		#5 Posted : 16 November 2024 10:54:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Goofy Digital interference is a form of distortion of a signal in which one symbol interferes with subsequent symbols. This is an unwanted phenomenon as the previous symbols have a similar effect as noise, thus making the communication less reliable. The CS is connected to the sniffer port only. I did not notice any interference issues and I do not expect interference between the CS 2/3 and the track signal from the ECoS. Originally Posted by: Goofy By the way...why did you used the word bug? I thought you hated it? I don't hate the word "bug". I don't hate the CS2 either. But the speed step shown on the CS2 does not always match the speed step sent to the loco. This is a bug. Probably caused by using different rounding methods at different parts of the code. You suppose and that is your problem. What i did was reference to a problem which why i did start topic to discuss problem by use other device from other manufacture as third part which Märklin do warn about that. To use Ecos and sniffer is not recommended either by Märklin.
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Purellum		#6 Posted : 16 November 2024 16:16:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,528 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy What i did was reference to a problem Once again referencing to a problem you've never had, never seen, in a setup you've never tried, and now you're arguing with those who actually tried it, without one single valid point... Nothing new Per.
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H0		#7 Posted : 17 November 2024 19:10:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,432 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Goofy To use Ecos and sniffer is not recommended either by Märklin. It is sure that Märklin do not recommend using equipment from their competitors, but is there any Märklin document where they state that CS2 or CS3 should not be connected to the sniffer port of a CS1 or ECoS for technical reasons? I'm sure they will say that CS2 and CS3 are superior and should not be connected to the sniffer port of an "inferior" device. But that does not count. IMHO opinion the CS2 is inferior to a CS1R.
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David Dewar		#8 Posted : 17 November 2024 20:50:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,448 Location: Scotland		The CS2 is inferior to the CS1. I put the CS1 in the bin although it was the original and not what appears to have been improved. Would anybody actua1ly have a CS1 rather than the CS2. Why would you want to connect a Ecos to a CS3 or the other way round. Why not just use which you think is best.
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H0		#9 Posted : 18 November 2024 09:28:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,432 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: David Dewar Why would you want to connect a Ecos to a CS3 or the other way round. Why not just use which you think is best. Use the ECoS to power the layout, use the CS2 as two extra speed knobs, maybe on the other side of the layout. CS1 became useful with the 3.x software upgrade. The 4.x software upgrade made it much faster. It sounds as if you only tried the 1.x software which really was very limited. The CS1 has 4 A track output, my CS2 60214 only has 2.4 A track output. That's another reason to make the CS1 the master and use the CS2 as slave.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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blid		#10 Posted : 18 November 2024 12:59:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 244 Location: Stockholm, Sweden		Unfortunately not many seem to realize the HUGE difference between the Marklin CS1 and the CS1 Reloaded (done by ESU). Tom is talking about the Reloaded version.
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H0		#11 Posted : 18 November 2024 18:10:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,432 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: blid Tom is talking about the Reloaded version. This thread is about the ESU ECoS - and the reloaded CS1 is in effect an ECoS.
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